WH ready to drop "public option"?

[Oddball]

Well then who was it that raised defense spending to those levels, hmmm?

Who was it that took the money from Social Security and Medcaid to pay for them?

If the asshat fits, Bush and friends should wear it.

Sooo.... if you're looking for the money trail for the SS and Medicare money, just look for the guys from Halliburton that are wiping their asses with toilet paper they made from your tax dollars.

But who said Bush was a racist? I certainly didn't.

The quoted post calims that the problem with Barry Obolshevik's idiotic agenda is about color, when nobody but that poster has brought up ethnicity......Strike 1!!

Actually I'll take this as a strike. I mistakenly saw your reply as being to me. My bad. I still don't think Bush was a racist though.

More than 2/3 of Shrubbie's increases in spending were on the DOMESTIC side of the ledger...Strike 2!!

I won't take this one though, as the defense budget has been ridiculously high for no good reason and has been raised by consecutive Republican administrations for some time now.

Even if 2/3 of the ledger was domestic, which I'm sure does not include the cost of the Iraq War, that still means that Bush upped defense spending by a massive amount, and he definitely took money from the SS budget to do it.

Money has been expropriated for Socialist Insecurity and Medicare for do-dooger giveaway programs for decades now...COUNTING DEMOCRATS...SWING AND A MISS, GRAB SOME BENCH!!

And has been going to unecessary defense spending. Period. And the only people that raised defense spending, which uses 30 times as much of the budget as any "do gooder" programs, as they dipped into SS in the past 30 years were...

Republicans.

I hate to mix metaphors, but check and mate.

The budget was going to explode after 2002 in any case...This was pointed out, with CBO numbers no less, by Ross Perot, times too numerous to number, back in '92....By the same token, the future -and totally mythical- "balanced budget" was also a fait accompli.

The notion that the OASI "trust fund" has only been raided to support militrary spending is as naive as it gets.

Now get back on the bench, where you belong.

 

[brewerboy]

Saw this in the major local paper today.

Maybe Obama and Co. have finally seen the writing on the wall.


It wouldnt surprise me to see more concessions here in the next couple of weeks.

 

[Vast LWC]

The budget was going to explode after 2002 in any case...This was pointed out, with CBO numbers no less, by Ross Perot times too numerous to number back in '92....By the same token, the future -and totally mythical- "balanced budget" was also a fait accompli.

The notion that the OASI "trust fund" has only been raided to support militrary spending is as naive as it gets.

Because of the massive deficit created mainly by Reagan, (Though it was not ALL his) and the interest on that debt. Which of course is the OTHER single largest big-ticket item in the budget.

But I may agree with you there. Ross did know his budgets and deficits. That's why I voted for him.

But now I think we need to spend some money to make some money.

I honestly think the high-price of medical care in this nation is going to have serious effects on the general economy, and that something drastic needs to be done.

Note, however, that while I sometimes do defend some forms of socialism like public health care options, Social Security, etc, I do not support socialization of other industries.

I simply believe in a "safety net", especially since 2/3 of bankruptcies today stem from medical costs.

 

[Liability]

And there you go.

Cons don't care about America, they just care about their party winning.

Thanks for showing everyone your true colors.

No no. Your mistake.

It's because conservatives care deeply about America that they want President Obama defeated electorally and in terms of any further policy gains.

He is the menace. Electorally defeating his ass is the cure.

Yeah, it's so strange that most Americans were in support of this whole universal health care thing when he told them he was going to implement it during the campaign.

Yep, everybody was happy with it, right up until the point that the right-wing propaganda machine started telling massive lies about it. With the help of their corporate sponsors of course.

They spread so many lies that they fooled a whole bunch of un-informed older folks into changing their mind. Way to take advantage of senility, and old people's fear of dying.

That's good work. I have to admit, you people are excellent at playing the fear game.

Of course, cons really care about what Americans want, as long as they want the same thing they do. If they don't want the same thing they do, they'll lie, cheat and steal in order to convince them they do.


And, by the way, if you cared about America, you wouldn't have been wasting all that Medicare and Social Security money on the defense budget for the past 30+ years.

Yeah, that's right, I said it. Where'd all the Social Security money and Medicare money go? Hmmm, what are the 3 biggest expenditures in the national budget? SS, Medicare and.... Defense.

We spend more than the rest of the world combined on defense, so yeah, if anyone wants to know where all the money went. That'd be the place. During Republican administrations mind you.

The musings in your post are largely some large steaming piles of bull manure.

Conservatives may have disseminated SOME misinformation. ( For example, the "death panel" thing and the related claim that end of life counseling was "required" under one of the proposed bills Bleeeeh.)

But what truly motivated the majority of Americans to take a jaundiced view of Obamacare was far more complex than SOME misinformation. In actuality, what motivated Americans to rise up against President Obama's vision of "health care" was something even more sinister yet:

the truth.

That and the fact that much of what President Obama has said in spport of his other UNGODLY deficit spending has been revealed to be an array of massive lies.

The American people do make mistakes. They voted for that guy, as an example. But the fact that they make mistakes is not evidence that they are stupid. They aren't. They are catching on to what President Obama and this misbegotten liberal Dem majority are all about. And they don't like it. Perfectly justifiable and quite reasonable of them to come to this insight.

 

[Annie]

To OP:

Nope, they're changing the name to 'co-ops' which we've already got going on a couple of threads:

Co-ops: A ‘Public Option’ By Another Name | Cato @ Liberty

Co-ops: A ‘Public Option’ By Another Name

Posted by Michael D. Tanner

Politico reports that the so-called “public option” provision could be dropped from the highly controversial health care bill currently being debated throughout the country:

President Barack Obama and his top aides are signaling that they’re prepared to drop a government insurance option from a final health-reform deal if that’s what’s needed to strike a compromise on Obama’s top legislative priority…. Obama and his aides continue to emphasize having some competitor to private insurers, perhaps nonprofit insurance cooperatives, but they are using stronger language to downplay the importance that it be a government plan.​

As I have said before, establishing health insurance co-operatives is a poor alternative to the public option plan. Opponents of a government takeover of the health care system should not be fooled.

Government-run health care is government-run health care no matter what you call it.

The health care “co-op” approach now embraced by the Obama administration will still give the federal government control over one-sixth of the U.S. economy, with a government-appointed board, taxpayer funding, and with bureaucrats setting premiums, benefits, and operating rules.

Plus, it won’t be a true co-op, like rural electrical co-ops or your local health-food store — owned and controlled by its workers and the people who use its services. Under the government plan, the members wouldn’t choose its officers — the president would.

The real issue has never been the “public option” on its own. The issue is whether the government will take over the U.S. health care system, controlling many of our most important, personal, and private decisions. Even without a public option, the bills in Congress would make Americans pay higher taxes and higher premiums, while government bureaucrats determine what insurance benefits they must have and, ultimately, what care they can receive.

Obamacare was a bad idea with an explicit “public option.” It is still a bad idea without one.

 

[rdean]

Moron?
Not a US citizen?
Terror sympathizer?
Wants to destroy America?

The truth is Bush and the Republicans already tried to destroy America. The evangelicals are steadily working at it. Your problem is that Obama isn't the "white" color. You are a shining example of the current level of Republican sophistication.

Liberals get so tired of having to take care of uneducated Republicans because they can't take care of themselves. What sad and bitter people are the Republicans.

Leave it to an asshole to begin the name-calling and race baiting.

And yet it wasn't me who said, "Asshole, Not a US citizen, terror sympathizer or race baiter". Not a US Citizen is code for "not white", that is well understood. Like I said, "sad and bitter".

 

[NO!bama08]

"The truth is Bush and the Republicans already tried to destroy America. The evangelicals are steadily working at it. Your problem is that Obama isn't the "white" color. You are a shining example of the current level of Republican sophistication."

You people are going to have to stop referring to politicians as Republican or Democrat. The only way to distinguish anymore is whether they are Liberal or Conservative. Bush was a liberal. While i agree with his decision to stomp the shit out of the Taliban and Saddam Insane, he spent us into oblivion and failed to do anything about the illegal alien leeches. Obamas "blackness" doesn't bother me at all, it's his Socialism. I've got nothing buy venom for Socialists. But if i pissed you off, it's a good day.

Leech -- a person who clings to another for personal gain, esp. without giving anything in return, and usually with the implication or effect of exhausting the other's resources; parasite.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Is the public option in, out, or just renamed 'co-op'?

 

[Liability]

* * * *

The truth is Bush and the Republicans already tried to destroy America. The evangelicals are steadily working at it. * * * *

No. That's clearly not the truth. It is not even just a lie. It is a patently stupid lie.

THIS JUST IN:

President Bush is not the current President!

Film at 11:00!

 

[Dr.House]

Moron?
Not a US citizen?
Terror sympathizer?
Wants to destroy America?

The truth is Bush and the Republicans already tried to destroy America. The evangelicals are steadily working at it. Your problem is that Obama isn't the "white" color. You are a shining example of the current level of Republican sophistication.

Liberals get so tired of having to take care of uneducated Republicans because they can't take care of themselves. What sad and bitter people are the Republicans.

Leave it to an asshole to begin the name-calling and race baiting.

And yet it wasn't me who said, "Asshole, Not a US citizen, terror sympathizer or race baiter". Not a US Citizen is code for "not white", that is well understood. Like I said, "sad and bitter".

That is pure bullshit...

"Not a US Citizen" is anyone who decides to skip or bypass the process of becoming a legal, taxpaying citizen of the United States of America... Skin color is irrelevant...

 

[DamnYankee]

Moron?
Not a US citizen?
Terror sympathizer?
Wants to destroy America?

The truth is Bush and the Republicans already tried to destroy America. The evangelicals are steadily working at it. Your problem is that Obama isn't the "white" color. You are a shining example of the current level of Republican sophistication.

Liberals get so tired of having to take care of uneducated Republicans because they can't take care of themselves. What sad and bitter people are the Republicans.

Leave it to an asshole to begin the name-calling and race baiting.

And yet it wasn't me who said, "Asshole, Not a US citizen, terror sympathizer or race baiter". Not a US Citizen is code for "not white", that is well understood. Like I said, "sad and bitter".

"Asshole" is code for asshole. Obviously, your problem is Obama is the "left color" and any criticism is racist.

 

[elvis]

Moron?
Not a US citizen?
Terror sympathizer?
Wants to destroy America?

The truth is Bush and the Republicans already tried to destroy America. The evangelicals are steadily working at it. Your problem is that Obama isn't the "white" color. You are a shining example of the current level of Republican sophistication.

Liberals get so tired of having to take care of uneducated Republicans because they can't take care of themselves. What sad and bitter people are the Republicans.

Leave it to an asshole to begin the name-calling and race baiting.

And yet it wasn't me who said, "Asshole, Not a US citizen, terror sympathizer or race baiter". Not a US Citizen is code for "not white", that is well understood. Like I said, "sad and bitter".

another liberal dipshit playing the race card. unbelievable.

 

[Liability]

* * * * Not a US Citizen is code for "not white", that is well understood. Like I said, "sad and bitter".

No. It is not well understood. With the exception of complete lunatic imbeciles, there's nobody who "understands" any such thing.

Non-U.S. Citizen is not code at all. It is a very precise description that has nothing to do with race at all.

It means that the person in question is NOT (that's the "non" part) a "citizen" of the United States.

My dad (not black, by the way) came in from Canada. He never sought U.S. Citizenship; just permanent U.S. Residency Status. He was a white guy who was a "non U.S. Citizen."

So much for your moronic notions.