Were the Hebews in Jesus's day not taught about the Exodus?

[Penelope]

or did they just forget? Hard thing to forget. Maybe they didn't understand that Jesus meant they were a slave to sin.

John 8:33-40King James Version (KJV)

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

(apparently they always thought of themselves as free)

 

[irosie91]

or did they just forget? Hard thing to forget. Maybe they didn't understand Jesus's meant they were a slave to sin.

John 8:33-40King James Version (KJV)

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

(apparently they always thought of themselves as free)

 

[irosie91]

or did they just forget? Hard thing to forget. Maybe they didn't understand Jesus's meant they were a slave to sin.

John 8:33-40King James Version (KJV)

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

(apparently they always thought of themselves as free)

she is still quoting the catechism whore

 

[Penelope]

or did they just forget? Hard thing to forget. Maybe they didn't understand Jesus's meant they were a slave to sin.

John 8:33-40King James Version (KJV)

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

(apparently they always thought of themselves as free)

she is still quoting the catechism whore

No that is the new testament wrote by jews. What do you think now, they were never taught about the exodus or just forgot their history of 430 years of slavery in Egypt.

 

[irosie91]

or did they just forget? Hard thing to forget. Maybe they didn't understand that Jesus meant they were a slave to sin.

John 8:33-40King James Version (KJV)

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

(apparently they always thought of themselves as free)

I am intrigued that sunni endorses Penelope's nonsense. For those who do not know----the NT author, JOHN did not exist as a real person and the stuff attributed to the name "john" was written long after Jesus died and IN GREEK.
The putative statement ----"we were never enslaved" is just about one of the
very few "sensible" statements ever attributed to "JOHN"------The meaning is that
jews considered themselves spiritually free. ON THE OTHER HAND-----any
fire and brimstone preacher who proclaimed "YOU ARE SLAVES TO SIN"-----would be taken just as Jeremiah and Amos and even Ezra and Nathan were taken-------as VERY TYPICAL fire and brimstone type preachers. Penelope is very
confused as is sunni. Jews living even in the STENCH AND FILTH of shariah
societies considered themselves FREE--------so long as they stayed out of the way
of the ENEMY OPPRESSORS------which they did-----spiritually. Of course they continued to hear those fire and brimstone type sermons

 

[irosie91]

or did they just forget? Hard thing to forget. Maybe they didn't understand Jesus's meant they were a slave to sin.

John 8:33-40King James Version (KJV)

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

(apparently they always thought of themselves as free)

she is still quoting the catechism whore

No that is the new testament wrote by jews. What do you think now, they were never taught about the exodus or just forgot their history of 430 years of slavery in Egypt.

No one is clear on WHO "JOHN" of the NT was-------he wrote in GREEK and long after Jesus died. Theologians agree that 'JOHN' was "several people" An issue which fascinates me is the statement attributed to Jesus "YOU ARE TRYING TO KILL ME"---------if DA JOOOOS wanted to kill Jesus-----what was stopping them? The romans would not have cared

 

[Penelope]

or did they just forget? Hard thing to forget. Maybe they didn't understand Jesus's meant they were a slave to sin.

John 8:33-40King James Version (KJV)

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

(apparently they always thought of themselves as free)

she is still quoting the catechism whore

No that is the new testament wrote by jews. What do you think now, they were never taught about the exodus or just forgot their history of 430 years of slavery in Egypt.

No one is clear on WHO "JOHN" of the NT was-------he wrote in GREEK and long after Jesus died. Theologians agree that 'JOHN' was "several people" An issue which fascinates me is the statement attributed to Jesus "YOU ARE TRYING TO KILL ME"---------if DA JOOOOS wanted to kill Jesus-----what was stopping them? The romans would not have cared

Obviously this was wrote by Hellenistic Jews, how could they make such a grave error. We all know the exodus was not based on truth as Israel loves to claim. Don't try and change the subject matter.

 

[irosie91]

or did they just forget? Hard thing to forget. Maybe they didn't understand Jesus's meant they were a slave to sin.

John 8:33-40King James Version (KJV)

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

(apparently they always thought of themselves as free)

she is still quoting the catechism whore

No that is the new testament wrote by jews. What do you think now, they were never taught about the exodus or just forgot their history of 430 years of slavery in Egypt.

No one is clear on WHO "JOHN" of the NT was-------he wrote in GREEK and long after Jesus died. Theologians agree that 'JOHN' was "several people" An issue which fascinates me is the statement attributed to Jesus "YOU ARE TRYING TO KILL ME"---------if DA JOOOOS wanted to kill Jesus-----what was stopping them? The romans would not have cared

Obviously this was wrote by Hellenistic Jews, how could they make such a grave error. We all know the exodus was not based on truth as Israel loves to claim. Don't try and change the subject matter.

It was HISTORICALLY written decades after Jesus died -----by unknown persons
COLLECTIVELY called "JOHN" The writings of the "JOHNS" conform
to the concepts of the ROMAN EMPEROR-----Constantine. There is no
possible way to IDENTIFY unknown persons as "OBVIOUSLY HELLENISTIC JEWS" ---------but it is possible that some or most or all of them were
Hellenistic jews-----------as was PAUL (actually a convert greek) SO? what
is your point? As to the claim "we all know that exodus was not based on
truth" -------is an utterly idiotic statement. For millennia people believed that
the ODYSSEY was not based on "truth" ------until HEINRICH SCHLIEMANN---found the ruins of TROY. There is clear evidence that jews migrated to Egypt and---
fairly suddenly LEFT -----the lack of evidence that some "talking burning bush"
happened somewhere------is a moot point. BUDDHA was a real person too

 

[Penelope]

she is still quoting the catechism whore

No that is the new testament wrote by jews. What do you think now, they were never taught about the exodus or just forgot their history of 430 years of slavery in Egypt.

No one is clear on WHO "JOHN" of the NT was-------he wrote in GREEK and long after Jesus died. Theologians agree that 'JOHN' was "several people" An issue which fascinates me is the statement attributed to Jesus "YOU ARE TRYING TO KILL ME"---------if DA JOOOOS wanted to kill Jesus-----what was stopping them? The romans would not have cared

Obviously this was wrote by Hellenistic Jews, how could they make such a grave error. We all know the exodus was not based on truth as Israel loves to claim. Don't try and change the subject matter.

It was HISTORICALLY written decades after Jesus died -----by unknown persons
COLLECTIVELY called "JOHN" The writings of the "JOHNS" conform
to the concepts of the ROMAN EMPEROR-----Constantine. There is no
possible way to IDENTIFY unknown persons as "OBVIOUSLY HELLENISTIC JEWS" ---------but it is possible that some or most or all of them were
Hellenistic jews-----------as was PAUL (actually a convert greek) SO? what
is your point? As to the claim "we all know that exodus was not based on
truth" -------is an utterly idiotic statement. For millennia people believed that
the ODYSSEY was not based on "truth" ------until HEINRICH SCHLIEMANN---found the ruins of TROY. There is clear evidence that jews migrated to Egypt and---
fairly suddenly LEFT -----the lack of evidence that some "talking burning bush"
happened somewhere------is a moot point. BUDDHA was a real person too

Few Hebrews even spoke Hebrew in Jesus's day, it was a religious language. Most didn't have any OT or Torah, they got their teachings from the elders who taught the Talmud composed in Babylon. There was no exodus.

 

[the_human_being]

Actually, this was a very bold lie these folks were speaking. At that very time they were in bondage under Roman rule.

 

[Penelope]

Actually, this was a very bold lie these folks were speaking. At that very time they were in bondage under Roman rule.

They were under Roman rule but not in bondage. They were allowed freedom of movement and were not slaves.

 

[HaShev]

Isn't that cute that she thinks Jews wrote the NT?
Yeah like a Jew is gonna get the Hebrew Gender for Lineage of
Bethlehem Ephratah (a person) wrong when recanting Micah 5 in Matthew and confuse it for a town.
Or a Jew is gonna call his messiah the morning star (lucifer)-rev 22:16 when Jews knew morning star was the son of baal and the nemesis of Shalem (Evening Star) the one the JEWISH holy city is dedicated to AND DAVID NAMED HIS SON AFTER.

 

[the_human_being]

Actually, this was a very bold lie these folks were speaking. At that very time they were in bondage under Roman rule.

They were under Roman rule but not in bondage. They were allowed freedom of movement and were not slaves.

Depends upon one's definition of freedom. They were a conquered people and under Roman rule and government.

 

[Penelope]

Actually, this was a very bold lie these folks were speaking. At that very time they were in bondage under Roman rule.

They were under Roman rule but not in bondage. They were allowed freedom of movement and were not slaves.

Depends upon one's definition of freedom. They were a conquered people and under Roman rule and government.

We're all under rules, either democrat or republican. Before Rome, Greeks were in control and before them Persians . There were treated well under all 3, except for when they rebelled.

 

[irosie91]

she is still quoting the catechism whore

No that is the new testament wrote by jews. What do you think now, they were never taught about the exodus or just forgot their history of 430 years of slavery in Egypt.

No one is clear on WHO "JOHN" of the NT was-------he wrote in GREEK and long after Jesus died. Theologians agree that 'JOHN' was "several people" An issue which fascinates me is the statement attributed to Jesus "YOU ARE TRYING TO KILL ME"---------if DA JOOOOS wanted to kill Jesus-----what was stopping them? The romans would not have cared

Obviously this was wrote by Hellenistic Jews, how could they make such a grave error. We all know the exodus was not based on truth as Israel loves to claim. Don't try and change the subject matter.

It was HISTORICALLY written decades after Jesus died -----by unknown persons
COLLECTIVELY called "JOHN" The writings of the "JOHNS" conform
to the concepts of the ROMAN EMPEROR-----Constantine. There is no
possible way to IDENTIFY unknown persons as "OBVIOUSLY HELLENISTIC JEWS" ---------but it is possible that some or most or all of them were
Hellenistic jews-----------as was PAUL (actually a convert greek) SO? what
is your point? As to the claim "we all know that exodus was not based on
truth" -------is an utterly idiotic statement. For millennia people believed that
the ODYSSEY was not based on "truth" ------until HEINRICH SCHLIEMANN---found the ruins of TROY. There is clear evidence that jews migrated to Egypt and---
fairly suddenly LEFT -----the lack of evidence that some "talking burning bush"
happened somewhere------is a moot point. BUDDHA was a real person too

Few Hebrews even spoke Hebrew in Jesus's day, it was a religious language. Most didn't have any OT or Torah, they got their teachings from the elders who taught the Talmud composed in Babylon. There was no exodus.

Aramaic was the language of the street. Jews had significant levels of literacy in
Hebrew at that time, as did Jesus if the accounts of his youth in the NT are true.
The Aramaic that jews SPOKE at that time was an Hebraized form or Aramaic----written in the standard Hebrew script of the time and containing lots of Hebrew words and expressions and poetic allusions.
Unlike you-------jews were GENERALLY literate at that time and did leave significant, still extant, writings. The dead sea scrolls are written to a large extent in standard modern Hebrew------even I can stumble thru lots of it, Talmud was written both in Babylon and in Israel-----
Did your catechism whore actually tell you that the NT account of Jesus is a BIG LIE?-------Jesus READ in the synagogue------he did not READ in French, Greek or Latin or Aramaic-----he READ ---that is ---PERFORMED THE READING,
IN HEBREW----not from the "catechism" or SUPER MAN comics------he READ parts of the torah scroll and-----some other stuff from -----other writings----like PSALMS , Prophets----etc. Public reading of the TORAH and--the other stuff was MANDATORY at that time---for ALL MALES OVER THE AGE OF 13------quite a horror if anyone could not handle it-----a social failure for his WHOLE COMMUNITY.
Persons who dismiss the historic basis of scriptural writings are
very dim. Even the ODYSSEY is based on historic realities and real events.
Jesus liked to quote HILLEL-----he was a Talmudist of the Israel part who died
just about the time that ---according to the NT----Jesus was born. Since Hebraized Aramaic was the language of the street at that time and the Talmud is
commentary on the torah------it was written in ARAMAIC----mostly.-----so EVERYONE ---even the most uneducated----could understand it. Had you lived
in "JUDEA" at that time------you would probably have known how to speak in
Aramaic-----but not write

 

[Penelope]

Isn't that cute that she thinks Jews wrote the NT?
Yeah like a Jew is gonna get the Hebrew Gender for Lineage of
Bethlehem Ephratah (a person) wrong when recanting Micah 5 in Matthew and confuse it for a town.
Or a Jew is gonna call his messiah the morning star (lucifer)-rev 22:16 when Jews knew morning star was the son of baal and the nemesis of Shalem (Evening Star) the one the JEWISH holy city is dedicated to AND DAVID NAMED HIS SON AFTER.

Now fess up HaShev , admit there was no exodus. Hellenistic Jews made an error in Matt as well or they did it on purpose since Greeks and Romans believed in demigods.

 

[irosie91]

Actually, this was a very bold lie these folks were speaking. At that very time they were in bondage under Roman rule.

They were under Roman rule but not in bondage. They were allowed freedom of movement and were not slaves.

Depends upon one's definition of freedom. They were a conquered people and under Roman rule and government.

We're all under rules, either democrat or republican. Before Rome, Greeks were in control and before them Persians . There were treated well under all 3, except for when they rebelled.

I grew up in a USA town full of jerks like you-------in the 50s and 60s they INSISTED that DA NIGRAS were treated well in the southern plantations unless they
WERE UPPITY AND UNGRATEFUL . Actually, the Persians never ruled
Judea------the greeks were in an out a bit but gave up------the romans were the
barbarians that liked to feed people to lions for lunch. The whole area was in
a constant state of warfare from EGYPT THRU MESOPOTAMIA-----onto Greece
and into PERSIA----for millennia-------you should learn some history

 

[irosie91]

she is still quoting the catechism whore

No that is the new testament wrote by jews. What do you think now, they were never taught about the exodus or just forgot their history of 430 years of slavery in Egypt.

No one is clear on WHO "JOHN" of the NT was-------he wrote in GREEK and long after Jesus died. Theologians agree that 'JOHN' was "several people" An issue which fascinates me is the statement attributed to Jesus "YOU ARE TRYING TO KILL ME"---------if DA JOOOOS wanted to kill Jesus-----what was stopping them? The romans would not have cared

Obviously this was wrote by Hellenistic Jews, how could they make such a grave error. We all know the exodus was not based on truth as Israel loves to claim. Don't try and change the subject matter.

It was HISTORICALLY written decades after Jesus died -----by unknown persons
COLLECTIVELY called "JOHN" The writings of the "JOHNS" conform
to the concepts of the ROMAN EMPEROR-----Constantine. There is no
possible way to IDENTIFY unknown persons as "OBVIOUSLY HELLENISTIC JEWS" ---------but it is possible that some or most or all of them were
Hellenistic jews-----------as was PAUL (actually a convert greek) SO? what
is your point? As to the claim "we all know that exodus was not based on
truth" -------is an utterly idiotic statement. For millennia people believed that
the ODYSSEY was not based on "truth" ------until HEINRICH SCHLIEMANN---found the ruins of TROY. There is clear evidence that jews migrated to Egypt and---
fairly suddenly LEFT -----the lack of evidence that some "talking burning bush"
happened somewhere------is a moot point. BUDDHA was a real person too

Few Hebrews even spoke Hebrew in Jesus's day, it was a religious language. Most didn't have any OT or Torah, they got their teachings from the elders who taught the Talmud composed in Babylon. There was no exodus.

what is "THE ELDERS"?

 

[Penelope]

No that is the new testament wrote by jews. What do you think now, they were never taught about the exodus or just forgot their history of 430 years of slavery in Egypt.

No one is clear on WHO "JOHN" of the NT was-------he wrote in GREEK and long after Jesus died. Theologians agree that 'JOHN' was "several people" An issue which fascinates me is the statement attributed to Jesus "YOU ARE TRYING TO KILL ME"---------if DA JOOOOS wanted to kill Jesus-----what was stopping them? The romans would not have cared

Obviously this was wrote by Hellenistic Jews, how could they make such a grave error. We all know the exodus was not based on truth as Israel loves to claim. Don't try and change the subject matter.

It was HISTORICALLY written decades after Jesus died -----by unknown persons
COLLECTIVELY called "JOHN" The writings of the "JOHNS" conform
to the concepts of the ROMAN EMPEROR-----Constantine. There is no
possible way to IDENTIFY unknown persons as "OBVIOUSLY HELLENISTIC JEWS" ---------but it is possible that some or most or all of them were
Hellenistic jews-----------as was PAUL (actually a convert greek) SO? what
is your point? As to the claim "we all know that exodus was not based on
truth" -------is an utterly idiotic statement. For millennia people believed that
the ODYSSEY was not based on "truth" ------until HEINRICH SCHLIEMANN---found the ruins of TROY. There is clear evidence that jews migrated to Egypt and---
fairly suddenly LEFT -----the lack of evidence that some "talking burning bush"
happened somewhere------is a moot point. BUDDHA was a real person too

Few Hebrews even spoke Hebrew in Jesus's day, it was a religious language. Most didn't have any OT or Torah, they got their teachings from the elders who taught the Talmud composed in Babylon. There was no exodus.

Aramaic was the language of the street. Jews had significant levels of literacy in
Hebrew at that time, as did Jesus if the accounts of his youth in the NT are true.
The Aramaic that jews SPOKE at that time was an Hebraized form or Aramaic----written in the standard Hebrew script of the time and containing lots of Hebrew words and expressions and poetic allusions.
Unlike you-------jews were GENERALLY literate at that time and did leave significant, still extant, writings. The dead sea scrolls are written to a large extent in standard modern Hebrew------even I can stumble thru lots of it, Talmud was written both in Babylon and in Israel-----
Did your catechism whore actually tell you that the NT account of Jesus is a BIG LIE?-------Jesus READ in the synagogue------he did not READ in French, Greek or Latin or Aramaic-----he READ ---that is ---PERFORMED THE READING,
IN HEBREW----not from the "catechism" or SUPER MAN comics------he READ parts of the torah scroll and-----some other stuff from -----other writings----like PSALMS , Prophets----etc. Public reading of the TORAH and--the other stuff was MANDATORY at that time---for ALL MALES OVER THE AGE OF 13------quite a horror if anyone could not handle it-----a social failure for his WHOLE COMMUNITY.
Persons who dismiss the historic basis of scriptural writings are
very dim. Even the ODYSSEY is based on historic realities and real events.
Jesus liked to quote HILLEL-----he was a Talmudist of the Israel part who died
just about the time that ---according to the NT----Jesus was born. Since Hebraized Aramaic was the language of the street at that time and the Talmud is
commentary on the torah------it was written in ARAMAIC----mostly.-----so EVERYONE ---even the most uneducated----could understand it. Had you lived
in "JUDEA" at that time------you would probably have known how to speak in
Aramaic-----but not write

No they weren't. The got the alphabet from Phoenicians and Canaanites, they also spoke Canaanite language. The exodus is not historic and its time to admit it.

 

[irosie91]

or did they just forget? Hard thing to forget. Maybe they didn't understand Jesus's meant they were a slave to sin.

John 8:33-40King James Version (KJV)

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

(apparently they always thought of themselves as free)

she is still quoting the catechism whore

No that is the new testament wrote by jews. What do you think now, they were never taught about the exodus or just forgot their history of 430 years of slavery in Egypt.

No one is clear on WHO "JOHN" of the NT was-------he wrote in GREEK and long after Jesus died. Theologians agree that 'JOHN' was "several people" An issue which fascinates me is the statement attributed to Jesus "YOU ARE TRYING TO KILL ME"---------if DA JOOOOS wanted to kill Jesus-----what was stopping them? The romans would not have cared

Penelope does not seem to know why DA JOOOS did not kill Jesus