We’re number 37! USA USA USA!!

[Cal]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - "We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp[/ame]

Go America!!!

What a clever way of getting the message across..Wish someone would have shown this @ Blair House yesterday.

 

[rightwinger]

But we pay more than any other industrialized country for our #37 ranking

The US is the only country where you can go bankrupt just for getting sick. 60% of personal bankruptcies are because of healthcare costs not financial mismanagement. And the majority of that 60% have healthcare

 

[TheSuaveOne]

Go America!!!

What a clever way of getting the message across..Wish someone would have shown this @ Blair House yesterday.

Cool, that gives you 36 other countries to move to so you can have better healthcare.

-TSO

 

[rightwinger]

Makes a good point..

US is #1 in Aircraft Carriers
#1 in Nuclear weapons
#1 in Tanks

#37 in healthcare.

We do not blink an eye at spending $1.5 billion a week in Afganistan and Iraq....that is PATRIOTISM

But to spend money on the medical treatment for US citizens?.....That is SOCIALISM

 

[TheSuaveOne]

According to the Constitution, the government is responsible for funding the military. There is nothing in it or it's amendments that discusses providing health insurance for the citizenry.

That being said, I do believe we should not be in Iraq or Afghanistan and should pull all of our troops that are not stateside and bring them home (This includes Germany, Japan, and South Korea).

-TSO

 

[KissMy]

But we pay more than any other industrialized country for our #37 ranking

You can thank government run Medicare fraud for that.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Once again we are not really 37. There are NO stabdards, each Country is free in each category reported to use what ever system they want to report with.

For example.... Live Births. In the US EVERY child that is alive AT the moment of birth is listed as a live birth, even the ones that have no chance of surviving more then a couple hours on their own. In other Countries live birth may mean the kid is a week old before they declare it a live birth.

And every category is like that. One can NOT compare Countires when one can not even know what the standard for repo0rting is and it is not a standard system for ALL countries.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Once again we are not really 37. There are NO stabdards, each Country is free in each category reported to use what ever system they want to report with.

For example.... Live Births. In the US EVERY child that is alive AT the moment of birth is listed as a live birth, even the ones that have no chance of surviving more then a couple hours on their own. In other Countries live birth may mean the kid is a week old before they declare it a live birth.

And every category is like that. One can NOT compare Countires when one can not even know what the standard for repo0rting is and it is not a standard system for ALL countries.

Thread killer. Thanks for throwing some sunlight on the Lefty lie.

 

[Misty]

Makes a good point..

US is #1 in Aircraft Carriers
#1 in Nuclear weapons
#1 in Tanks

#37 in healthcare.

We do not blink an eye at spending $1.5 billion a week in Afganistan and Iraq....that is PATRIOTISM

But to spend money on the medical treatment for US citizens?.....That is SOCIALISM

Maybe we should stop spending 20 billion a year in foreign aid.

 

[Claudette]

But we pay more than any other industrialized country for our #37 ranking

You can thank government run Medicare fraud for that.

HOw about Medicaid also??

 

[Oscar Wao]

Exactly Sgt...the #37 claim comes from WHO...not exactly a source you want doing your numbering ranking for you.

 

[Sinatra]

It's true that America's partly profit-driven, partly bureaucratic system is expensive, and sometimes wasteful, but the pursuit of profit reduces waste and costs and gives the world the improvements in medicine that ease pain and save lives.

"[America] is the country of medical innovation. This is where people come when they need treatment," Dr. Gratzer says.

"Literally we're surrounded by medical miracles. Death by cardiovascular disease has dropped by two-thirds in the last 50 years. You've got to pay a price for that type of advancement."

Canada and England don't pay the price because they freeload off American innovation. If America adopted their systems, we could worry less about paying for health care, but we'd get 2009-level care -- forever. Government monopolies don't innovate. Profit seekers do.

We saw this in Canada, where we did find one area of medicine that offers easy access to cutting-edge technology -- CT scan, endoscopy, thoracoscopy, laparoscopy, etc. It was open 24/7. Patients didn't have to wait.

But you have to bark or meow to get that kind of treatment. Animal care is the one area of medicine that hasn't been taken over by the government. Dogs can get a CT scan in one day. For people, the waiting list is a month.


RealClearPolitics - "Better" Health Care?

 

[Vanquish]

For those of you that dispute the source (Like Gunny) please state an alternative source or sources that you find credible.

 

[KissMy]

But we pay more than any other industrialized country for our #37 ranking

You can thank government run Medicare fraud for that.

HOw about Medicaid also??

Oh I know Medicaid is even worse. This thanksgiving I was at a dinner where this teen pregnant with twins on Welfare & Medicaid had a few contractions after traveling to get there, drinking Coffee, stuffing her face with deserts & going outside to smoke some Cigarettes. Now she had already been to several Medicaid doctors who put her on bed rest & band her from smoking to prevent premature births. Now her friend calls the teens doctor & 20 minutes later here comes a helicopter & takes her to a university hospital. They C-section the babies both under 2-lbs & have had them hospitalized every since. So far the bill is $750,000.00 which would deliver & care for 24 for regular babies in the real world. Since the government is paying all prevention caution has been thrown to the wind & no price is to high. NOW TELL ME AGAIN YOU LYING LIBTARDS HOW WE HAVE CRAPPY COVERAGE IN THIS COUNTRY!!!

 

[Sinatra]

You can thank government run Medicare fraud for that.

HOw about Medicaid also??

Oh I know Medicaid is even worse. This thanksgiving I was at a dinner where this teen pregnant with twins on Welfare & Medicaid had a few contractions after traveling to get there & going outside to smoke some cigarettes. Now she had already been to several Medicaid doctors who put her on bed rest & band her from smoking to prevent premature births. Now her friend calls the teens doctor & 20 minutes later here comes a helicopter & takes her to a university hospital. They C-section the babies both under 2-lbs & have had them hospitalized every since. So far the bill is $750,000.00 which would deliver & care for 24 for regular babies in the real world. Since the government is paying all prevention caution has been thrown to the wind & no price is to high. NOW TELL ME AGAIN YOU LYING LIBTARDS HOW WE HAVE CRAPPY COVERAGE IN THIS COUNTRY!!!

Now I am sure Obama shared that story yesterday during his attempted Democrat Healthcare Infomercial...

No?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

I want the United States to be last - in socialism. In fact, it's better if we don't cross the finish line either.

 

[Some Guy]

Once again we are not really 37. There are NO stabdards, each Country is free in each category reported to use what ever system they want to report with.

For example.... Live Births. In the US EVERY child that is alive AT the moment of birth is listed as a live birth, even the ones that have no chance of surviving more then a couple hours on their own. In other Countries live birth may mean the kid is a week old before they declare it a live birth.

And every category is like that. One can NOT compare Countires when one can not even know what the standard for repo0rting is and it is not a standard system for ALL countries.

Don't forget that a system that denies care to everyone will get a better "fairness" ranking than ours as well. Yep. According to the WHO, a non-existant system that provides no health care whatsoever would rank higher than our system because it's "fair for everyone. No one gets better care than someone else." Isn't that cute?

 

[Oscar Wao]

I want the United States to be last - in socialism. In fact, it's better if we don't cross the finish line either.

Dave, I think the problem lies in the fact that we treat things like health care, education, housing, etc. as "rights."

THAT I believe is one of the roots, if not THE root, of the wrongful approaches to issues such as health care, education, housing, and the like.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

This thing has been debunked on this forum dozens of times already.

Figures don't lie, but liars can figure.

It gives a higher ranking to sucky systems where everyone suffers equally than to quality systems that folks have to pay for. Only 37 % of the ranking is based on actually health care outcomes. Things like getting health care on a timely basis, clean sheets on the bed, good sanitary practices. The remainder is based on concepts of fairness that are deliberatly skewed to lower US numbers.

There is no way in a rational universe that France could have a health care system that would be considered marginally acceptable. That it gets the highest ranking is proof in itself the numbers are bad. France is the system that gave thousands of patients AIDS. France is the system that couldn't give even boy scout level of care to thousands who died of cheese paring incompetence during a heat wave a few years ago. They couldn't pay for nurses to deliver water to the patients, or air conditioning in the hospitals, so the wound up paying for freezer trailers to store the bodies.

There are models where the government picks up the tab for the needy. These models do seem to work for the countries that use them.

But the Dems don't use the models that seem to work, like in Japan, Korea or Taiwan. Instead the model after horrors like Canada or the UK. Or come up with something that is unique that combines the worst possible practice from everywhere.

 

[CMike]

Based on what criteria?