Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Annie, Jul 3, 2007.
These guys are pretty good.
I enjoy their sound.
Too bad they are about speaking hate for the entire Muslim religion.
You see there are a shit load of Muslims in the world and we cant kill them all.
The extremist are not the norm and pretending they are is what will give us the religious war this group seems to think is inevitable.
This is why I have so much trouble with all organized religion, they always end up wanting to fullfill their own prophecies.
There, in a nutshell, is the difference between you and me, and most other people in the world, Kaffy.
I would be mortally embarrassed at such a nauseatingly indecent display of self-adoration.
Ragged Old Flag by Johhny Cash:
The above are two different styles that, from my perspective, to some degree, say the same thing. Though the USA has some spots in its past and we still face serious issues and differences today, there is no other place where I would rather be than in America.
Relatively speaking, there is freedom, opportunity, and safety in America. If you try to climb your ladder of success and slip, there are safety nets to catch you and help you stand up. There are incentives to encourage you to start climbing again.
Though we have strong socio-political differences and different opinions on what is best for America, we dont generally try to exterminate each different group because of those differences. We have different religions but we dont have a theocracy. We vote for people to represent up and if they do a poor enough job of representing us, we can vote to replace them.
All things considered, I think that the USA is a pretty good nation, if not the best. Right off hand, I cant think of any place where Id rather be.
Oh. One more comment along these lines. If you can think of another place where you would rather be, America will not prohibit you from leaving.
The only indecent thing around here is people like you that are not proud of their own country. You do not like where ever it is you live? Move to what ever place you think is better.
Thanks so much for this ,I have not heard it in a very long time!
It brought tears to my eyes this 4th of July morning and I thank you for them.
When all the kids get up Im going to make them each watch this and remind them of the wonderful country the were so very lucky to be born into and all the brave and wonderful people who sacraficed so much to keep this dream alive.
To pretend America has always lived up to the great dream of our for fathers every momment we have exsisted is to pretend we are faultless and perfect.
The founders knew perfect people dont exsist which is why they designed this great system in which the deeds of lesser men and the corruption of average men could NOT take the freedoms away.
Our founders knew they were not perfect and no man was perfect but that together we could ask each other to try to bring into each our lives the best man can offer which is constantly striving to put ourselfs back on the path of honor and freedom when we do stray.
They knew the Best in Man can overcome our slights with time allowed.
They designed a system which would allow the time in which we could catch ourselfs and stop our lower instincts from taking over.
It my at times seem to Slow a form of government but there was method to their madness.
I LOVE this country and I thank those men and all who defend the gifts those men brough us!
Happy Birthday my dear country!
Tell me, Forrest. What is so decent and praiseworthy about self-love? Because that is all the patriotism is narcissism on a national scale.
If you were born in Afghanistan instead of Bigheadistan you would be a nationalistic Afghan Muslim, in Mumbai a hidebound Hindu, in Eire a patriotic Rat-catcher.
Think of it, Chesty, if your mother had got the hots for a Hajji you would be head down and arse up in some militant Mosque right about now.
I'm fucked if I can see how reflexively falling in love with the geographical location you were born in, just because YOU were born in it, somehow becomes virtue personified.
Anyway, if yourre as fucking gung-ho as you make out you are, why arent you in Eye-wrack bushwhacking blind Eyewracki street vendors and crippled paper boys?
Patriotism, properly defined, can be a virtue. Normally I stand firmly in your camp: the misfortune of being born in location X isn't worth my time. Yet, if you take a somewhat different perspective on the issue, I believe a case can be constructed.
Generally, most people define patriotism as holding and/or exhibiting support for one's country and/or the people, culture, values of a particular region. I like to take a different approach. Instead of expressing my loyalty towards a particular geographic entity, I support this country because of the values she expresses and how she acts to uphold them.
America was founded on the then radical notion that all men are equal and, more importantly, that no person has the right or ability to control or harm another without their consent. From this radical idea arose a plethora of other truths including freedom, liberty, responsibility, individuality, limited government among many others. It is this ideas, these truths, these values, that this country is founded on and it is these values that this country is duty bound to preserve, protect, and, someday, bring to those who know them not. As long as America stands for the ideas that form the foundation of our democracy, I can be proud of her for good reason.
...and when said country has consistently betrayed - virtually before they were even written! - these noble sentiments, what does a patriot do then?
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