Were 4 Americans sacrificed at Benghazi so Obama could fake having defeated Al Qaeda?

[Care4all]

where is alqaeda? did we vaporize them?

did they just vanish or is our new ISIS term the same thing as AlQaeda? Are the two groups one and the same?

 

[Stephanie]

The whole deal was a cover up. remember at first they blamed it on an American and some video he made. Not only did they need to cover for Obama, but for Hillary too. the reason they did for Benghazi, I believe the elections were close and he was running for re-election Everything with this administration has been hidden from us.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Were 4 Americans sacrificed at Benghazi so Obama could fake having defeated Al Qaeda?"

This is as much a ridiculous rightwing lie today as it was over a year ago.

 

[Dragonlady]

The whole deal was a cover up. remember at first they blamed it on an American and some video he made. Not only did they need to cover for Obama, but for Hillary too. the reason they did for Benghazi, I believe the elections were close and he was running for re-election Everything with this administration has been hidden from us.

7 investigations, some of which were conducted completely by Republicans, none of which provided any indications of a plot or a cover up.

Security was reduced throughout the world at US diplomatic missions because the Republican Congress cut the budget by 1/3.

Too bad you don't have the same level of outrage over all of people who died in in the 11 diplomatic outpost attacks that occurred when Bush was President.

I realize that truth is hard to come from low information voters like yourself Stephanie, but your level of willful ignorance is astonishing.

 

[Little-Acorn]

"Were 4 Americans sacrificed at Benghazi so Obama could fake having defeated Al Qaeda?"

This is as much a ridiculous rightwing lie today as it was over a year ago.

TRANSLATION: I can't refute it, or even challenge its basis. So I'll call it names, impugn the people asking the question, try to fool people into thinking it's not so, and hope they drop the inquiry without looking too much into what the Obama administration did (and didn't do) in the months before the attack.

 

[BULLDOG]

"Were 4 Americans sacrificed at Benghazi so Obama could fake having defeated Al Qaeda?"

This is as much a ridiculous rightwing lie today as it was over a year ago.

TRANSLATION: I can't refute it, or even challenge its basis. So I'll call it names, impugn the people asking the question, try to fool people into thinking it's not so, and hope they drop the inquiry without looking too much into what the Obama administration did (and didn't do) in the months before the attack.

I see you used your English to brain dead teabagger translator to do that.

 

[Little-Acorn]

TRANSLATION: I can't refute it, or even challenge its basis. So I'll call it names, impugn the people asking the question, try to fool people into thinking it's not so, and hope they drop the inquiry without looking too much into what the Obama administration did (and didn't do) in the months before the attack.

I see you used your English to brain dead teabagger translator to do that.

TRANSLATION: Me, too.

 

[NLT]

You think they were?

yep, no doubt

 

[ChrisL]

where is alqaeda? did we vaporize them?

did they just vanish or is our new ISIS term the same thing as AlQaeda? Are the two groups one and the same?

Just another "tribe" struggling for control with ISIS. The innocent people there are screwed either way, IMO.

Al-Qaeda now at war with ISIS

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Were 4 Americans sacrificed at Benghazi so Obama could fake having defeated Al Qaeda?"

No, the deaths of four Americans were exploited by the reprehensible right for some perceived partisan gain.

 

[ChrisL]

I feel really badly for the people there, the innocent ones who just want to raise their families and live their lives, but we definitely should distance ourselves from that mess, I think. Not everything that happens in the world has to be our problem.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Recently released emails from the late Ambassador Stevens show he was begging for reinforcements for months before the final attack. Yet the Obama administration kept reducing and reducing the guards at the Benghazi compound, while insisting Al Qaeda was decimated and on the run... while buying expensive furniture and other stuff for other installations not in Al Qaeda's line of fire.

Now the Democrats are still shucking and jiving, trying to pretend the subject isn't important... and desperately trying to deflect attention from four dead Americans including that ambassador.

What happened after the attacks, and who lied to whom and how, is less important than why security there was left to deteriorate for months, even while attacks were going on, bombs were blowing 12-foot holes in the consulate walls, and Amb. Stevens was pleading for months for more security.

That summer, Obama was crowing over "Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive!". He was desperately trying to fool American voters into thinking he had defeated Al Qaeda and they were "on the run". And the increasing attacks by Al Qaeda were not fitting into the glossy image he was trying to project.

Sending MORE security into areas like Benghazi, Cairo etc. would have done even more harm to his story... so he simply didn't do it. Instead he reduced security, pulled out American agents, and in some cases substituted Libyan personnel for the American security troops. He was hoping this would look good to American voters who weren't paying much attention.

By the first week in September 2012, there were exactly three American security personnel at the consulate in Benghazi. The gate guards and patrols had been replaced by Libyans... and they were unarmed, with nothing but whistles and batons. And so, when the major attack came on Sept. 11, 2012, the people in the consulate didn't have much chance.

Basically, the lives of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans, were sacrificed so that Obama could get more votes three weeks later in the November, 2012 election.

And that is the real scandal of Benghazi. Obama hopes fervently that people will keep complaining about Susan Rice and lies about a video afterward... because then they aren't complaining about what killed Amb. Stevens and three other Americans: Months of fatal, flagrant neglect of consulate security for the purpose of gaining votes.

 

[Stephanie]

Yes, and everyone of us has been sacrificed for that man to have his way. We are struggling because he raised taxes for his pos insurance scam, ObamaCare. He's made a deal with the devil, sacrificing us and our Security to Iran and Cuba. NOTHING gets in this mans way. he doesn't care who he has to sacrifice

 

[LoneLaugher]

You think they were?

yep, no doubt

That's crazy talk.

 

[Little-Acorn]

We seem to have triggered the usual "response" cycle of the board liberals here.

When asked important, difficult questions that might reveal their duplicity or criminal behavior, they merely insult the questioner, call him names, call the questions names, pretend the subject is somehow not important or irrelevant, and generally trip all over themselves in their scramble to avoid any serious discussion.

Phase 2 will undoubtedly come when, as people later try to address the subject again after the liberals' first round of evasions, the leftists suddenly announce "Oh, we've already dealt with that, the questions are old, nothing more to see here, you didn't find anything wrong the last time" etc.

What are the chances, do you suppose, that we will see any integrity or intellectual honesty out of them this time around?

 

[Stephanie]

There was NO REASON for them to be in Libya. Obama dropped bombs on SEVEN different countries over in the middle east. and he's not called a Warmonger, accused of making more terrorist, wants him to tried as a war criminal like they wanted and said all that about Bush. this is why you can't take the people in the leftwing base of voters serious. they don't HOLD THEIR politicians to any standard let along how they try to hold the Republicans to their standards. start holding your elected politicians to the same damn standard you do the Republican. we wouldn't be having these hearings now

snip:
LZ Granderson: Obama has bombed twice as many Muslim countries as Bush
By Lauren Carroll on Sunday, September 28th, 2014 at 2:56 p.m.

President Barack Obama meets with representatives from the five Arab countries plus Iraq who have participated in air strikes against ISIS in Syria. (Spencer Platt/Getty)
In light of recent U.S. military involvement in the Middle East, some say the voters who put President Barack Obama into office in 2008 didn’t sign up for this.

On CNN’s State of the Union Sept. 28, political commentator LZ Granderson said Obama is losing favor among his base supporters because of his recent foreign policy decisions. In 2008, they were tired of the wars started under former President George W. Bush and were hoping that a new president would bring them to a close.

"They voted for him because he was supposed to end these wars and stop bombing people," Granderson said. "And when you look at the raw numbers, three times as much Special Forces were used than ‘W.’, twice as many strikes (on) countries that are predominantly Muslim. Those were not the numbers that his staunch progressive base voted for."

Last week, we fact-checked the New Yorker’s Washington correspondent Ryan Lizza, who tweeted, "Countries bombed: Obama 7, Bush 4." We rated that claim True.

Granderson’s claim that there have been "twice as many strikes (on) countries that are predominantly Muslim" is similar to Lizza’s -- but with the added caveat that these are Muslim countries, so we decided to check it out again.

The tally

When we compared Bush and Obama last week, Lizza sent us this list of countries that had been bombed by each president:

Bush: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Somalia.

Obama: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria.

We asked Granderson for additional evidence. He cited the same numbers as Lizza, and pointed to a supporting CNN article.

all of it here. and start holding your elected politicians to the same damn standard you do the Republican. we wouldn't be having these hearings now

all of it
LZ Granderson: Obama has bombed twice as many Muslim countries as Bush

 

[EriktheRed]

Originally written May 2013

Finally, after puttering around with stories and videos and lies after the attacks, Congress is beginning to get at the real scandal in Benghazi.

What happened after the attacks, and who lied to whom and how, is less important than why security there was left to deteriorate for months, even while attacks were going on, bombs were blowing 12-foot holes in the consulate walls, and Amb. Stevens was pleading for months for more security.

That summer, Obama was crowing over "Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive!". He was desperately trying to fool American voters into thinking he had defeated Al Qaeda and they were "on the run". And the increasing attacks by Al Qaeda were not fitting into the glossy image he was trying to project.

Sending MORE security into areas like Benghazi, Cairo etc. would have done even more harm to his story... so he simply didn't do it. Instead he reduced security, pulled out American agents, and in some cases substituted Libyan personnel for the American security troops. He was hoping this would look good to American voters who weren't paying much attention.

By the first week in September 2012, there were exactly three American security personnel at the consulate in Benghazi. The gate guards and patrols had been replaced by Libyans... and they were unarmed, with nothing but whistles and batons. And so, when the major attack came on Sept. 11, 2012, the people in the consulate didn't have much chance.

Basically, the lives of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans, were sacrificed so that Obama could get more votes three weeks later in the November, 2012 election.

And that is the real scandal of Benghazi. Obama hopes fervently that people will keep complaining about Susan Rice and lies about a video afterward... because then they aren't complaining about what killed Amb. Stevens and three other Americans: Months of fatal, flagrant neglect of consulate security for the purpose of gaining votes.

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CBS News - Breaking News, U.S., World, Business, Entertainment & Video

The Obama administration -- and the State Department in particular -- has been accused by Republican lawmakers and some former U.S. officials who worked in Libya of ignoring warning signs and even rejecting pleas for increased security around American offices in the country ahead of the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi, which left U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others dead.

The House Oversight Committee will begin questioning three senior State Department staff on Capitol Hill Wednesday over claims that dozens of U.S. security personnel were removed from Libya in the six months leading up to the attack, in spite of alleged requests to increase personnel levels from American officials on the ground.

According to one of the key witnesses expected to testify before the committee this week, even Ambassador Stevens himself had repeatedly requested more security personnel, but was turned down.

Lt. Col. Andy Wood, the former head of a U.S. Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya, has told CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson that he and many other senior staff at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, "felt we needed more, not less" security personnel in the country, but were told "to do with less.

For what reasons, I don't know."

This begins to get at the real scandal in Benghazi.

Just wanna let you know your wingnut heroes in the House failed today, so there's no really no need to start a thread like this. Carry on if it makes you feel better, though.

 

[Stephanie]

Originally written May 2013

Finally, after puttering around with stories and videos and lies after the attacks, Congress is beginning to get at the real scandal in Benghazi.

What happened after the attacks, and who lied to whom and how, is less important than why security there was left to deteriorate for months, even while attacks were going on, bombs were blowing 12-foot holes in the consulate walls, and Amb. Stevens was pleading for months for more security.

That summer, Obama was crowing over "Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive!". He was desperately trying to fool American voters into thinking he had defeated Al Qaeda and they were "on the run". And the increasing attacks by Al Qaeda were not fitting into the glossy image he was trying to project.

Sending MORE security into areas like Benghazi, Cairo etc. would have done even more harm to his story... so he simply didn't do it. Instead he reduced security, pulled out American agents, and in some cases substituted Libyan personnel for the American security troops. He was hoping this would look good to American voters who weren't paying much attention.

By the first week in September 2012, there were exactly three American security personnel at the consulate in Benghazi. The gate guards and patrols had been replaced by Libyans... and they were unarmed, with nothing but whistles and batons. And so, when the major attack came on Sept. 11, 2012, the people in the consulate didn't have much chance.

Basically, the lives of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans, were sacrificed so that Obama could get more votes three weeks later in the November, 2012 election.

And that is the real scandal of Benghazi. Obama hopes fervently that people will keep complaining about Susan Rice and lies about a video afterward... because then they aren't complaining about what killed Amb. Stevens and three other Americans: Months of fatal, flagrant neglect of consulate security for the purpose of gaining votes.

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CBS News - Breaking News, U.S., World, Business, Entertainment & Video

The Obama administration -- and the State Department in particular -- has been accused by Republican lawmakers and some former U.S. officials who worked in Libya of ignoring warning signs and even rejecting pleas for increased security around American offices in the country ahead of the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi, which left U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others dead.

The House Oversight Committee will begin questioning three senior State Department staff on Capitol Hill Wednesday over claims that dozens of U.S. security personnel were removed from Libya in the six months leading up to the attack, in spite of alleged requests to increase personnel levels from American officials on the ground.

According to one of the key witnesses expected to testify before the committee this week, even Ambassador Stevens himself had repeatedly requested more security personnel, but was turned down.

Lt. Col. Andy Wood, the former head of a U.S. Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya, has told CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson that he and many other senior staff at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, "felt we needed more, not less" security personnel in the country, but were told "to do with less.

For what reasons, I don't know."

This begins to get at the real scandal in Benghazi.

Just wanna let you know your wingnut heroes in the House failed today, so there's no really no need to start a thread like this. Carry on if it makes you feel better, though.

go to bed, you've been dumping and sounding like a nutjob in every thread. we get YOU DON'T CARE they lied to you and then coved up that fact to the families of those who died.

 

[Syriusly]

Originally written May 2013

Finally, after puttering around with stories and videos and lies after the attacks, Congress is beginning to get at the real scandal in Benghazi.

What happened after the attacks, and who lied to whom and how, is less important than why security there was left to deteriorate for months, even while attacks were going on, bombs were blowing 12-foot holes in the consulate walls, and Amb. Stevens was pleading for months for more security.

That summer, Obama was crowing over "Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive!". He was desperately trying to fool American voters into thinking he had defeated Al Qaeda and they were "on the run". And the increasing attacks by Al Qaeda were not fitting into the glossy image he was trying to project.

Sending MORE security into areas like Benghazi, Cairo etc. would have done even more harm to his story... so he simply didn't do it. Instead he reduced security, pulled out American agents, and in some cases substituted Libyan personnel for the American security troops. He was hoping this would look good to American voters who weren't paying much attention.

By the first week in September 2012, there were exactly three American security personnel at the consulate in Benghazi. The gate guards and patrols had been replaced by Libyans... and they were unarmed, with nothing but whistles and batons. And so, when the major attack came on Sept. 11, 2012, the people in the consulate didn't have much chance.

Basically, the lives of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans, were sacrificed so that Obama could get more votes three weeks later in the November, 2012 election.

And that is the real scandal of Benghazi. Obama hopes fervently that people will keep complaining about Susan Rice and lies about a video afterward... because then they aren't complaining about what killed Amb. Stevens and three other Americans: Months of fatal, flagrant neglect of consulate security for the purpose of gaining votes.

------------------------------------------------------

CBS News - Breaking News, U.S., World, Business, Entertainment & Video

The Obama administration -- and the State Department in particular -- has been accused by Republican lawmakers and some former U.S. officials who worked in Libya of ignoring warning signs and even rejecting pleas for increased security around American offices in the country ahead of the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi, which left U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others dead.

The House Oversight Committee will begin questioning three senior State Department staff on Capitol Hill Wednesday over claims that dozens of U.S. security personnel were removed from Libya in the six months leading up to the attack, in spite of alleged requests to increase personnel levels from American officials on the ground.

According to one of the key witnesses expected to testify before the committee this week, even Ambassador Stevens himself had repeatedly requested more security personnel, but was turned down.

Lt. Col. Andy Wood, the former head of a U.S. Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya, has told CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson that he and many other senior staff at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, "felt we needed more, not less" security personnel in the country, but were told "to do with less.

For what reasons, I don't know."

This begins to get at the real scandal in Benghazi.

That is the partisan story the Republicans have been trying to sell since the day after the Embassy attack.

Did Reagan sacrifice 200 Marines so that he could pretend he was tough against Islam?

 

[Little-Acorn]

We seem to have triggered the usual "response" cycle of the board liberals here.
When asked important, difficult questions that might reveal their duplicity or criminal behavior, they merely insult the questioner, call him names, call the questions names, pretend the subject is somehow not important or irrelevant, and generally trip all over themselves in their scramble to avoid any serious discussion.

Just wanna let you know your wingnut heroes in the House failed today, so there's no really no need to start a thread like this. Carry on if it makes you feel better, though.

Call I call 'em, or what?

These people are so predictable....