CDZ Welfare vs Charity

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    example of a law : if your cloth fall appart you have the right to go into a store and take new cloth so your not naked

    if your cloth fall appart your required to go into a store and take cloth so your never naked.

    its illegal to denie a person to get cloth to cover themselfs.

    anyone denying cloth will go to jail for 1 year as they procure illegal nudity
     
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    another law : its illegall to stop a starving person from eating.

    neither private nor commercial enitys are allowed to prevent a starving person from eating.

    a human bbeing has the right to exist, to exist they need to eat.

    therefore starving a human person by preventing them from eating, is murder
    # if you prevent a starving human from eating you will be prosecuted as a murderer
     
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    The people forced to provide goods and services to others are those under servitude; as they are forced to do so, said servitude is involuntary.
     
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    Thank you for explaining your view point. I think its a tad melodramatic. Welfare budgets are all tied up with taxation and ultimately you can vote out that tax regime.
    I cant think of any serious politician who doesnt believe that we should fund welfare though.

    On a personal level you may deeply resent funding welfare but to balance that your neighbour may resent funding police or bombs or roads or schools or whatever else we fund.
    Thats just part and parcel of living in a society.
     
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    That doesn't mean it is incorrect.

    However true this may be, it does not change the fact that you are forced to provide goods and services to others without compensation.

    Why do you not take issue with state-enforced involuntary servitude based on someone's version of reality.
     
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    The compensation is that it is there for you and has always been there for you. Its part of living in a civilised society. No man is an island.
     
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    I'd rather have it not there for me. Since I thought we were supposed to be a society of the people, not a people for the good of society...

    First, I never seem to qualify for all these "civilize society" programs.

    Second, it takes a ton of money out of my paycheck.

    So apparently being part of 'civilized society', is you take my money at the point of a gun, and then demand I be happy about it, while I get nothing from it. Funny how something that you would expect from Genghis Kan, is considered "civilized society" by the left.
     
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    Vote against it then.Everybody is aggrieved about something their taxes pay for and you get a vote to change that.
    Your argument is like saying "I am a pacifist so why should I pay for bombs ?"
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    "I havent got kids so why should I pay for schools ?"

    Its not a a real argument.
     
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    You didn't answer the question.
    Why do you not take issue with state-enforced involuntary servitude based on someone's version of reality?
     
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    Every time we vote for people who cut those things, you people on the left freak out.

    But my point is, YOUR argument is not real. You claim over and over, that all these programs are for middle and lower class working people. That's what the left-wing has said for as long as I can remember.

    I can't think of a single program, that has ever helped me. Take all that money, and give it to police, and maybe we can reduce the crime level, so I don't have to install security cameras like my neighbor has.

    At what point do any of your crap programs actually help the people you claim it helps?

    Driving up my taxes, so you can give non-working people free stuff? Your argument is false. The justification you have for these "civilized society" programs, is a lie.
     

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