Welfare? The Reason For Black Family Break-Up

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    1. Some argue that today’s weak black-family structure is a ‘legacy’ of slavery. But this view loses credibility when one examines evidence from the past.

    2. During slavery, where marriage was forbidden, most black children lived in biological two-parent families. In ¾ of slave families, all of the children had the same mother and father. Herbert Gutman, “ The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925,” p. 10.

    a. In NYC, 1925, 85% of kin-related black households were two-parent households. Gutman, Ibid, ix.


    3. Before anyone attempt to explain today’s black family in terms of slavery and discrimination, realize that years ago there were only slight differences in family structure between racial groups. The % of nuclear families were: black (75.2), Irish (82.2), German (84.5), and naïve white American (73.1). Kenneth L. Kusmer, “From Reconstruction to the Great Migration,1877-1917.” Vol 4, part II, p. 72-96.

    4. Ex-slave families were more likely than free-born to be two-parent families. Furstenberg, Jr., Hershberg, and Modell, “The Origins of the Female-Headed Black Family: the Impact of the Urban Experience,” p.211-233. 'But it is a fine place to make money': migration and African-American families in Cleveland, 1915-1929 - page 12 | Journal of Social History

    5. “Going back a hundred years, when blacks were just one generation out of slavery, we find that census data of that era showed that a slightly higher percentage of black adults had married than white adults. This fact remained true in every census from 1890 to 1940.” Sowell, “The Vision,” p. 81 (Prior to 1890, the question was not part of the census.)



    6. Coupled with the dramatic breakdown of black family structure has been the astonishing growth of illegitimacy: 19% in 1940, skyrocketing in the late 60’s, to 68% in 2000- and over 80% in some cities. See the National Center for Health Statistics, National Vital Statistics Report, vol. 50

    "...skyrocketing in the late 60’s,..."
    LBJ.....'War on Poverty'....


    7. So, if not slavery or discrimination, where to look for the root of the problem? Black propensity? Genetics? Racial differences? Clearly the stats above show this not to be the case. Get ready……studies show that welfare programs are a major contributor to behavioral poverty.

    8. Proof? Sure. The government conducted a study, 1971-1978 known as the Seattle-Denver Income Maintenance Experiment, or SIME-DIME, in which low income families were given a guaranteed income, a welfare package with everything liberal policy makers could hope for. Result: for every dollar of extra welfare given, low income recipients reduced their labor by 80 cents. http://www.policyarchive.org/handle/10207/bitstreams/12794.pdf

    a. Further results: dissolution of families: “This conclusion was unambiguously unfavorable to advocates of a negative income tax that would cover married couples, for two important reasons. First, increased
    marital breakups among the poor would increase the numbers on
    welfare and the amount of transfer payments, principally because the
    separated wife and children would receive higher transfer payments.
    Second, marital dissolutions and the usual accompanying absence of
    fathers from households with children are generally considered unfavorable outcomes regardless of whether or not the welfare rolls increase.” http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/conf/conf30/conf30c.pdf

    b. “When families received guaranteed income at 90% of the poverty level, there was a 43% increase in black family dissolution and a 63% increase in white family dissolution. At 125% of the poverty levels, dissolutions were 75% and 40%.” Robert B. Carleson, “Government Is The Problem,” p. 57.



    9. Despite frequent assertions to the contrary, many seemingly intractable poroblems encountered by a significant number of black Americans do not result from racial discrimination, but rather from the policies, regulations, and restrictions emanating from federal, state, and local government.


    From “Race & Economics,” by Walter E. Williams.
     
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    Williams, as much historian as he is economics guru, has done exhaustive research on the history of black America as has also his friend Thomas Sowell who concurs with all those facts plus a lot more.

    Primary source - the many writings of both gentlemen plus Starr Parker, Shelby Steele, and others:

    When the traditional nuclear family was the norm for blacks, blacks were also the most rapidly advancing demographic in the country. All that came to a screeching halt as LBJ's great society was implemented and the welfare state swelled into full bloom. And of course the reason is, when you reward single parenthood and out of wedlock children born, you encourage more of the same. Couple that with punishing families in which the father is present, and you have a prescription for generations of welfare mothers and children born into a permanent culture of poverty.
     
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    Well welfare gives you a check every month and a roof over your head as long as you don't have a man living with you, thats incentive right there to be a single mother and collect benefits especially if you are desperate. I don't have a problem with helping people but welfare shouldn't be a life style.
     
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    Walter Williams is great when he subs for Rush!
     
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    Exactly. Which is why welfare should be no higher than a state program and preferably a local community program so that agencies can work together, provide incentives for people not to work the system, and learn how to wean themselves off of it. That will never be done via a federal one-size-fits-all throw money at the problem program.
     
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    He has some great content but I have to focus more to hear it as he isn't as good as Rush as getting in a point that you can grab hold of even when you hear just a little bit. Probably because Williams is a college professor and is used to developing a thesis for the points he makes. :)

    But I would sure pay good money to sit in one of his classes, or have the younger ones in the family do so.
     
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    white families did the same thing as slave families and got paid too.They are still enjoying the benefits of welfare.
     
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    Sounds like most folks, if given the chance, would rather have sex and go fishing than work in a warehouse?

    It's crazy.
     
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    Welcome to the board, guy....

    There is a point in your post worthy of elucidation.

    Your point about human nature is totally correct.
    While, of course, for many reasons, lots of folks aim higher, still, an understanding of human nature explains "most folks, if given the chance, would rather have sex and go fishing than work in a warehouse..."

    Maybe many, if not most.


    Which brings up the query of why a certain political perspective, and many elected officials, support this lowest common denominator.

    And, why those who know the facts of the OP continue to support and endorse same.

    Is Liberalism out and out evil?
     
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    Welcome to my new board, girl...

    Your query is an interesting one but as a Constitutionalist I'm not in a position to answer it or react to what I'm assuming was the literary equivalent of tossing red meat into a lion's cage.

    Moreover, I see both parties as simply different sides of the same corrupt coin.

    Those who entertain either party as being a 'difference-maker' or 'better than the other' are the intellectual equivalents of fruit flies.

    Sorry to disappoint you. Love your Av, princess
     
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