Welfare Fraud

[AllieBaba]

Food stamps account for a fraction of the money spent on welfare. It's the medical that's the killer....

God forbid we provide medical for children, the elderly, and the disabled.

All I said is it's more expensive. The people who defraud that system are the insurance companies. You can't really scam for money using your OHP.

 

[AllieBaba]

I would also suggest publishing the names of those on public assistance. There are many, many people working under the table while collecting government cheese. It's theft and needs to be prosecuted.

If I were a cynical person (snarc mark), I might think that those who are opposed to reform are either thieves themselves, or simply partisan hacks who understand that increasing the welfare rolls ensures that a certain party stays in power. And if that were true, it is despicable.

So what you are saying is, if a person is on public assistance, they have no right to privacy, no right to determine what they will feed themselves, and their names should be made public so they can be held up to ridicule?

Sorry, that violates just about every rule we have regarding confidentiality. Not to mention HIPAA.

The programs are there. Socialist programs lead to people attempting to remove the rights of other people. You don't like the programs, get rid of them. But the people who take advantage of the programs have just as many rights as you do. They share confidential information with their workers...private information about their finances, their citizenship status, their criminal backgrounds, their health, their living situations.

Publishing their names is akin to publishing the names of women who get abortions. It's a legal procedure. Maybe it would reduce the numbers of babies being killed.

But that doesn'tmake it right.

 

[Modbert]

I would also suggest publishing the names of those on public assistance. There are many, many people working under the table while collecting government cheese. It's theft and needs to be prosecuted.

If I were a cynical person (snarc mark), I might think that those who are opposed to reform are either thieves themselves, or simply partisan hacks who understand that increasing the welfare rolls ensures that a certain party stays in power. And if that were true, it is despicable.

Are you just trolling and trying to outdo yourself in horrible ideas?

 

[William Joyce]

I would also suggest publishing the names of those on public assistance. There are many, many people working under the table while collecting government cheese. It's theft and needs to be prosecuted.

If I were a cynical person (snarc mark), I might think that those who are opposed to reform are either thieves themselves, or simply partisan hacks who understand that increasing the welfare rolls ensures that a certain party stays in power. And if that were true, it is despicable.

One reason welfare is so abused is that it's a totally anonymous system. Nobody knows who gets it, nobody knows who pays it...

Once upon a time, a "brake" on welfare abuse and fraud was the fact that it was a small, homogenous community or church that provided the welfare. The people there knew who was good and bad. And the people taking the welfare knew the people paying in. That cut down on abuse.

We don't have that anymore. An illegal alien in California gets welfare funded by a white taxpayer in New Hampshire. Why should the illegal care? It's just another way to play whitey.

 

[Luissa]

I would also suggest publishing the names of those on public assistance. There are many, many people working under the table while collecting government cheese. It's theft and needs to be prosecuted.

If I were a cynical person (snarc mark), I might think that those who are opposed to reform are either thieves themselves, or simply partisan hacks who understand that increasing the welfare rolls ensures that a certain party stays in power. And if that were true, it is despicable.

Are you kidding me?

For one like Allie said, it would against Hipaa laws and other privacy laws. Plus why stop at welfare, we should publish people who are unemployment name's also.

 

[chanel]

The names, addresses, and salaries of all public servants is public info. Why are they afforded less privacy?

 

[Modbert]

The names, addresses, and salaries of all public servants is public info. Why are they afforded less privacy?

Get a dictionary.

And I seriously doubt the addresses of all public servants is public info.

 

[chanel]

Yes dogbert it is. And yes, I have a serious problem with that. Cops and teachers are most at risk. But letters did no good. So I ask, if it is "public info" because it is "public monies", why shouldn't that data be published as well?

Take a look.

APP.com | Monmouth and Ocean counties DataUniverse | Asbury Park Press

 

[Modbert]

Yes dogbert it is. And yes, I have a serious problem with that. Cops and teachers are most at risk. But letters did no good. So I ask, if it is "public info" because it is "public monies", why shouldn't that data be published as well?

Take a look.

APP.com | Monmouth and Ocean counties DataUniverse | Asbury Park Press

You seriously need to catch up to 2010.

 

[chanel]

Um ok. I'll work on that. Was that a "yes" or a "no"? Should people who work for the govt have less privacy than those who don't work?

And while I don't ever see this happening, what suggestions might you have? Or do you see fraud as not a problem?

 

[Modbert]

Um ok. I'll work on that. Was that a "yes" or a "no"? Should people who work for the govt have less privacy than those who don't work?

And while I don't ever see this happening, what suggestions might you have? Or do you see fraud as not a problem?

You seem to not realize that the internet has replaced the phone book but to even further lengths.

 

[chanel]

Huh? The phone book has a section called "public enployees" with salary info?

If I google "walmart employees" can I get a list of everyone's address and salary?

You still did not answer the question. But that's ok. I don't expect too many Dems to admit there's a problem. Que sera.

 

[Luissa]

The names, addresses, and salaries of all public servants is public info. Why are they afforded less privacy?

When you sign up for public assistance, you sign a contract stating your rights regarding privacy. If the state publishes your information, they would be going back on their contract.

 

[Modbert]

Huh? The phone book has a section called "public enployees" with salary info?

If I google "walmart employees" can I get a list of everyone's address and salary?

You still did not answer the question. But that's ok. I don't expect too many Dems to admit there's a problem. Que sera.

You could figure out their salary, yes. And again, you're a bit behind.

I'd answer your questions if they were legitimate. You paint yourself as someone who is for small government and for the rights of people. However, it's threads like these where you show yourself to be the complete opposite.

 

[AllieBaba]

The names, addresses, and salaries of all public servants is public info. Why are they afforded less privacy?

Because they ARE public servants. Hard to serve the public if you're anonymous and they can't find your office.

Their addresses are not public info, btw.

Salaries are public because they are paid by the state.

 

[AllieBaba]

Also keep in mind, many of our welfare recipients are involved in dangerous situations. They are refugees, domestic violence victims, children of abusive parents, foster kids, disabled. They are targets for violence, for manipulation, for discrimination. It's an idiotic idea to publish their names. I'm a conservative, and the concept that one group of people is entitled to fewer rights than others because they are disadvantaged goes against everything that the right stands for.

 

[Ravi]

I'll never understand the attitude that makes people want to punish the innocent because a small fraction finds a way to scam the system.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

A New Jersey food store owner and two employees have been sentenced to prison and ordered to pay restitution for defrauding the federal food stamp program of more than $280,000.

Prosecutors say the men regularly rang up fraudulent charges on customers' electronic benefit transfer cards, giving customers part of the amount in cash and keeping the USDA's payment for the full value.

New Jersey 101.5 FM - Prison Terms For Three NJ Men in Food Stamp Fraud

$280,000 here; $280,000 there. Soon we are talking about a lot of money. NO MORE ENTITLEMENTS UNTIL THEY SORT THIS SHIT OUT!

the pentagon wasted hundreds of millions (unaccounted for) in Iraq. Should we halt all payments to the military?

but your post's facts make you look dumb as a rock.

The food stamps went to legitimate people. So if the store gave full value in food to all the folks, the government would still have spent what they did.

What the store did was screw the people who were misusing the program. Screwing the program involved fraud on the part of the store. If the store did not commit fraud the government would have saved zero dollars.

Corporate welfare?

 

[uscitizen]

Some interesting articles on missing money here:

Solari | The Missing Money

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Some interesting articles on missing money here:

Solari | The Missing Money

thanks...

Articles on Catherine Austin Fitts' Blog:

Billions over Baghdad
by Donald L. Barlett and James B. Steele - Vanity Fair
September 2007

Those Who Blow Whistle on Contractor Fraud in Iraq Face Penalties
Deborah Hastings - AP
August 2007


Key Documents

U.S. Department of Defense Web Site

"The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible."
- Remarks as Delivered by Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, The Pentagon, Monday, September 10, 2001

Independent Audit Report - Department of Defense
Re: $1.1 Trillion Missing from DOD
February 26, 2002

Testimony of the Inspector General - Department of Housing & Urban Development
Re: $59 Billion Missing from HUD
March 22, 2000

Discrepancies in America's Accounts Hide a Black Hole
By Daniel Gros, Financial Times
June 15, 2006

Road to Ruin
by Eric Sprott, Sprott Asset Management
Regarding the $11 Trillion Deficit in the US Government in FY 2004
January 2005

U.S.' Missing $Trillions Make Mainstream At Last
Scoop Media's version of the Chronicle Story with more links added
May 26, 2003

Dillon, Read & Co. Inc. and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits
by Catherine Austin Fitts
A case study of two teams each with competing visions for America.
April 2006

Estimate $3.3 Trillion Missing From U.S. Treasury
by Buddy Grizzard
An excellent overview integrating coverage by key investigative journalists
August 2002

Where is the Collateral? and So, Where is the Collateral?
A two-part series by Chris Sanders of Sanders Research Associates in London
These articles connect the dots between the missing money, the Where is the Money? litigation, questionable HUD deals, and the impact on the investment community
October 2003 and July 2004

U.S. "Could Be Going Bankrupt"
by Edmund Conway, Economics Editor
UK Telegraph
July 2006

whereisthemoney.org
Web site documenting the missing money -- includes petition, FAQs, Who's Who ... also available in Spanish


Independent News Coverage

The Great "Incompetency" Heist
by Catherine Austin Fitts, Scoop Media
May 17, 2006

US Government "Misplaces" Trillions of Dollars
Anxiety Culture Bulletin News
September 3, 2003

US' Missing Trillions Make Mainstream At Last
Scoop Media
May 26, 2003

The Solari Solution: A Responsible Way to Fund America's State and Local Government Deficits
Scoop Media
May 2003

On the Money Trail
MetroActive
September 5, 2002

Questions for a Congressman
Scoop Media
July 4, 2002

The Myth of the Rule of Law
Sanders Research Associates
November 2001

Testimony of the HUD Inspector General
House Government Reform
May 2000


Corporate News Coverage

Auditor Quits with NASA Finances in Chaos
By Arindam Nag and Deborah Zabarenko
May 15, 2004

The War on Waste
CBS News
Citing "cooked books" at DoD, Rumsfeld on the missing $2.3 trillion, ...
January 29, 2002

Military Stashes Covert Millions
St. Petersburg Times
September 28, 2003

'High Risk' Finance at the Federal Level
Insight on the News
August 21, 2003

Congressman Kucinich on NPR's 'Morning Edition'
NPR, June 28, 2003

Pentagon Fights for (Its) Freedom
CBS News
May 19, 2003

Color Codes: The Deja Vu View Back to Abnormal
San Francisco Chronicle
May 25, 2003

So Much for the Peace Dividend
The Guardian
May 22, 2003

Military waste under fire $1 trillion missing
San Francisco Chronicle
May 18, 2003

HUD's Financial Woes Continue
Insight, April 18, 2003

HBO The Sopranos: "Watching Too Much Television" (Scamming the Feds)
Sopranos Episode 46
Brian lays out a way to use bogus real estate deals to con money out of the Federal Department of Housing and Urban Development...
November 1, 2002

US Treasury Web Site Reveals $ Half-Trillion Deficit
NY Post
May 14, 2002

Government Fails Fiscal Fitness Test
Insight on the News
April 29, 2002