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    Hidden Gun bill clears legislature in Virginia Delegates Militia and Police Committee.

    http://www.dailyprogress.com/servle...icArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354661152&path=

    Hidden weapon bill clears panel


    By Bob Gibson / bgibson@dailyprogress.com | 978-7243
    February 19, 2008

    RICHMOND - A bill to allow people with a concealed weapons permit to bring a hidden handgun into a restaurant if they do not drink won approval of a House of Delegates committee Monday.

    “Welcome to the wild, wild West,” said Del. James M. Scott, D-Merrifield, after he was one of five delegates on the Militia and Police Committee to oppose the bill unsuccessfully. The panel approved it on a 16-5 vote.

    “We’ve bested Texas. We’ve bested Alaska,” in terms of loosening the restrictions on guns in restaurants that serve alcohol, Scott said of the so-called “guns in bars” bill that is similar to measures that had passed the House in previous years only to die in the Virginia Senate.

    Sen. Emmett W. Hanger, R-Mount Solon, is sponsoring the measure, sought for years by gun-rights advocates. It passed the Senate by a 24-15 vote last Tuesday.

    “This is a common-sense measure,” said Hanger, whose Shenandoah Valley district includes Greene County and portions of western Albemarle.

    “These individuals can be trusted because they are typically people who obey the law [and] have gone through a process” to obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon, Hanger said.

    Virginia has 150,000 residents who hold concealed-carry permits, gun-rights advocates said.

    “The folks who have these permits are very scrupulous about following state law,” said Del. Bill Janis, R-Short Pump, who supports the measure.

    This year’s bill differs from past measures in that it has a Senate amendment stipulating that “a person who carries of concealed handgun onto the premises of such a restaurant or club shall inform a designated employee of the restaurant or club that he is carrying a concealed handgun.” The Senate also made it a Class 2 misdemeanor for the gun carrier to consume alcohol and a Class 1 misdemeanor to become intoxicated while carrying a concealed handgun.

    Under current state law, a gun owner can carry a weapon into a restaurant serving alcohol if the handgun is not concealed and can drink until the restaurant cuts him off. Any restaurant owner has a right to post a sign saying no one may enter with a gun, and the bill does not change that right.

    The bill this year is likely to pass the House again and end up on the desk of Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, a Richmond Democrat whose administration signaled its opposition.

    Curtis Coleburn, chief operating officer of the Virginia Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control, said the administration opposes Hanger’s bill. “This is bad public safety policy,” Coleburn said. He said police and ABC agents are safer when they are able to see who is armed in a restaurant or club.

    The committee Monday also overwhelmingly approved a Senate bill that would allow people who don’t have a concealed weapons permit to transport handguns in a locked glove box or other interior compartment of a vehicle rather than carry it in plain view, as state law requires.
     
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    This is actually a good thing. Maybe now honest law abiding citizens will have a chance to defend themselves when they are attack or mugged by a criminal with an illegal, non registered ,non carry permitted weapon. Gun control protects criminals.
     
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    Questions for the gun huggers among us?

    Who has been in a situation where a handgun would have helped them?
    Who has a friend who has died because they weren't armed?
    Who knows of someone shot or robbed at gunpoint?
    Who fires a gun weekly for target practice?
    Who sleeps with a gun under their mattress?
    Who wants their neighbors armed with concealed guns?
    Who feels safer because their neighbors are armed?
    Who feels safer today because they are armed?
    How many sleep with the light on?
    How many hide under the covers when night comes?
    Is there a ghost in your closet you are afraid of?

    Only answer honestly.

    http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/gunsafety/statistics.htm

    Children and Gun Violence
    In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

    America and Gun Violence
    American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
     
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    Under current state law, a gun owner can carry a weapon into a restaurant serving alcohol if the handgun is not concealed and can drink until the restaurant cuts him off. Any restaurant owner has a right to post a sign saying no one may enter with a gun, and the bill does not change that right.


    I have no problem with any of this. business owners have the option of restricting guns or not. Patrons have the option of giving business to the place that fits their opinion on concealed weapons. I can't recall any gangs of lawless men shooting up any taverns just because they had their guns handy.


    works for me.

    I wonder how many kids die in auto accidents every year and weather or not that statistic should restrict everyone else from driving.
     
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    hey just remember this little old saying.


    "WHEN SECONDS COUNT, THE POLICE ARE ONLY MINUTES AWAY"
     
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    Not me...yet.

    I have. He heard a noise in his driveway, went out, saw two guys breaking into his car, yelled for family members to call the cops, he was shot twice, the first shot knocked him down, the second shot killed him. The shooter walked up on him. Had he been armed, he would have had time to return fire.

    I do.

    I do.

    Not me, but I can get to it quickly if needed.

    I do, if they so desire and are legally able to do so.

    I do.

    I do.

    Not me. I like it nice and dark.

    Not me. I hate covers. The most I can tolerate is a sheet up to my waist.

    Not that I am aware of. Though I do not believe in ghosts, so the question is pointless.

    That's the only way I answer any question.

    I must say, however, that I am not necessarily a "gun hugger" as you define the term. I do however strongly believe in the individuals right to own guns.
     
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    I keep several rifles and a shotgun in the house. After 21 years in the Corps, firing expert on all the weapons I had to qualify, I don't think I should be penalized because someone else might shoot themself in the foot or shoot the wrong person. People should be required to take a safety shooting course before they can purchase a weapon.

    One of these days I will have to get the concealed weapon permit just so I can carry my Navy Colt black powder replica.:razz:

    If I had to confront someone breaking into my house, I would consider it very seriously before I blew his/her ass away.
     
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    Sorry to hear that but you have to admit being armed may not helped. And car thieves with guns is another reason for gun control. More guns = more deaths. No magic simple fact.
     
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    Probably not, but we'll never know. The really sad part of the gun debate remains the fact that law abiding responsible citizens like myself, snowman, ray and others, bear the brunt of the fallout caused by people who, more often than not, would have no problem illegally obtaining a gun or guns in order to carry out their twisted plans. I'm fairly certain that the car thieves in question didn't pick up their weapon at the gun shop I frequent, though I admit I could be wrong.

    Today I read of an incident in Philadelphia in which a bystander ended an assault by several teenage girls on one girl by pretending to have a weapon in her purse. Now, while I can't say what type of weapon she was pretending to have in her purse, I'm hoping she wasn't trying to pretend she harbored pepper sprayar a taser as there were twelve or so girls in the gang. I do find it interesting that the mere threat of reciprocated violence ended the incident.

    As I say so often during the course of discussing this topic, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. As strongly as you believe in your position, I believe we have the right to own guns. I respect your opinion.

    For what it's worth, I do believe in the background checks and waiting periods, I can't see how those are a bad idea. And much to the chagrin of some friends, I see absolutely no reason for private citizens to own assault weapons.
     

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