Welcome the the Socialist STATES of AMERICA

[mike45acp]

Yes i agree at least Mccain does not hate this country

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

If they ask us to leave we will. We will not have a choice. Maintaining a presence in the regions of the world is what has kept you free. Evil must be confronted...and even with our technology we cannot be everywhere at once.

Without our presence in many of these places the regions would destabilize.
Our being there keeps the wolves from the door.

Isolationism like you suggest is the fastest way to plunge us either into a World War or into one war after another.

"Invaded a Soveriegn Nation" For very good reasons. Most of the Dems in Congress voted to authorize this action and then smelled the chance for political gain and spent the following years fighting for the enemy.

Al-queda had been decimated. Not Strengthened. They have all but given up in Iraq. The people Of Iraq have decided that they want these terrorists dead. We could have accomplished this sooner if Liberal like you and the ones in DC had not been cheering and fighting for the enemy.

"Hated Around the World"? As long as we are successful we will have those who do not like us. If being liked means being a Poor, weak nation then I say that they can hate us forever. I really do not care.

While I love your partisan arguments of why I'm wrong as much as the next guy, I'm not a liberal or a Democrat. I'm a Libertarian.

Having troops stationed in at least 130 countries has not made me free, it has made us a poorer nation. Confronting evil? What evil is in Germany or Japan? Why does Israel need $2 billion worth of aid every year? We're not helping them, we're weakening them by making them more dependent on us.

I do not suggest "isolationism," I am suggesting non-interventionism. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for certain people on this message board.

Nobody voted to invade Iraq in Congress. They voted, un-Constitutionally, to allow the President to decide whether we should invade Iraq. Good reasons? Have they found the weapons of mass destruction then? Even if the WMD's weren't an outright lie, what gives us the right to go around and tell a sovereign nation they can't develop nuclear weapons, when we have nuclear weapons? All we've done is show that if you're a nation with no nuclear weapons like Iraq or Iran you'll probably be invaded, but if you do have nuclear weapons like North Korea or Russia we'll leave you alone. Under those pretenses why wouldn't a nation we're being hostile towards take the steps to get nuclear weapons?

Decimated? All current reports say that Al-Qaeda is stronger now than they were before we invaded Afghanistan. They're stronger now because Osama can point to even more offenses by the United States to make Muslims, who don't want us interfering in their lives, angry.

I think George W. Bush said it best when he was still running for President in a debate with Al Gore. "If we're an arrogant nation they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll welcome us." Unfortunately, he spurned his own advice, and we know where we stand now. We are a poor country, in case you've missed the financial crisis. I would also say our perceived strength is an illusion that is going to come crashing down around us in the months and years to come. Despite these facts, we're still disliked around the world.

 

[Annie]

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I think George W. Bush said it best when he was still running for President in a debate with Al Gore. "If we're an arrogant nation they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll welcome us." Unfortunately, he spurned his own advice, and we know where we stand now. We are a poor country, in case you've missed the financial crisis. I would also say our perceived strength is an illusion that is going to come crashing down around us in the months and years to come. Despite these facts, we're still disliked around the world.

What everyone seems to have missed, he didn't show an iota of change, prior to 9/11. In fact, he seemed quite content to be a domestic president, with a very light hand. Granted this all happened early in his presidency, but the summer prior to 9/11, was all "Monica hats" and "Chicago heat wave" and "Chandra Levy", there was absolutely an absence of news.

 

[mattskramer]

With the implosion of economies all over the world. It has become clear that several weeks ago after the so called " bailout" that this crisis will NOT be diverted by "betting" on the good will of lenders to free up credit. The even bigger question is and I submit that the American system of govt. changed as we knew it that day. We are now oficially a socialist society, no matter who you vote for. The govt. has back-stopped the auto industry, the airline industry, and is now talking about nationalizing some banks. So you want free health care, I say whats the arguement about? You don't live in a non socialist society anymore, you want a free house, why not? Let the govt. buy it for you. The real issue here is even if it is McCain or Obama, they both will NOT change the direction that this country has now decided to go. With McCain proposing a 350 billion dollar home mortgage buy back and Obama's healthcare. The degree of seperation between the two is so small you need a crowbar to pry them apart.

Socialism is on a continuum. While we are not a pure Laissez-faire capitalist society, we are not a purely socialistic nation either. Enough with the silly hype, paranoia, and hyperbole. The sky is not falling. We are simply going to be a little bit more socialistic than we were before.

 

[Richard-H]

Now c'mon get a grip...

Nobody wants socialism and we are not turning into a socialist country. The actions taken by the government are a temporary response to a crisis situation. It's using socialist methods as a sort of economic marshall law. Like marshall law it's inacted only to prevent a catastrophe and it's only temporary. Nobody likes it and nobody wants it.

What is going to permanently change, is that the root cause of this crisis, Free-market ideology, is over. If we had had a proactive regulatory government this never would have happened. Now where going to go back to having a proactive regulatory government for at least the next two generations.

That's what the real change is.

BTW, I would have called it:

The United States Socialist Republics

 

[WillowTree]

Im not an advocate of socialism. but would it really be that bad? In Europe they have socialism and their economy is doing well. the British pound and euro are some of the strongest currencies in the world. the people have free health care and university is affordable. and at the same time they still have democratic elections and other democratic processes.

you need to get that free health care crap outta your head. In case your mama never told you this nothing in life is free. You have to pay for "free health care" and then what you get is a chance to stand in line waiting for treatment that may never come.

 

[jschuck12001]

you need to get that free health care crap outta your head. In case your mama never told you this nothing in life is free. You have to pay for "free health care" and then what you get is a chance to stand in line waiting for treatment that may never come.

Obama wants free healthcare, when did he say that, I know he wants to reduce premiums and make sure its still pretax(unlike Mccain). Didnt know he was giving it away for free.

 

[greenpartyaz]

Obama wants free healthcare, when did he say that, I know he wants to reduce premiums and make sure its still pretax(unlike Mccain). Didnt know he was giving it away for free.

Obama wants to leave the private insurance companies at the table. He is not really the candidate for universal healthcare!

 

[WillowTree]

Obama wants free healthcare, when did he say that, I know he wants to reduce premiums and make sure its still pretax(unlike Mccain). Didnt know he was giving it away for free.

you did see that I was quoting Nia doncha? She thinks she is getting free health care. Nothing is free but Obama is corrupt.

 

[jschuck12001]

you did see that I was quoting Nia doncha? She thinks she is getting free health care. Nothing is free but Obama is corrupt.

No, I didnt see that, I'm guilty of butting in on the end of a post.

 

[Richard-H]

you need to get that free health care crap outta your head. In case your mama never told you this nothing in life is free. You have to pay for "free health care" and then what you get is a chance to stand in line waiting for treatment that may never come.

I know quite a few people who live in countries that have socialized healthcare. Yes, they get taxed for it, but they are very happy with it. There is not one country that has socialized health care and has any serious popular sentiment for changing it.

Nor are there any mass migrations of forgein medical professionals from these countries to the U.S. There may be many forgeiners who start their careers here, but almost none that are running here to get away from the socialist healthcare systems.

What's more is: These countries have overwhelmingly better quality of healthcare.

For that reason alone I support socialized Healthcare - because the quality of Healthcare in this country SUCKS!

Maybe a few years of socialism would straighten the healthcare system out and then it could be desocialized and just regulated.. Since it would be nice if the free market actually worked.

 

[Modbert]

The free market isn't so free, ask Bill Gates that.

The free market is like the term "Friendly Fire".

 

[driveby]

I know quite a few people who live in countries that have socialized healthcare. Yes, they get taxed for it, but they are very happy with it. There is not one country that has socialized health care and has any serious popular sentiment for changing it.

Nor are there any mass migrations of forgein medical professionals from these countries to the U.S. There may be many forgeiners who start their careers here, but almost none that are running here to get away from the socialist healthcare systems.

What's more is: These countries have overwhelmingly better quality of healthcare.

For that reason alone I support socialized Healthcare - because the quality of Healthcare in this country SUCKS!

Maybe a few years of socialism would straighten the healthcare system out and then it could be desocialized and just regulated.. Since it would be nice if the free market actually worked.

You're either a biased clown or an uninformed clown, and this has got to be the most retarded argument for universal healthcare ever. Because of the company i work for, i'd bet i know a lot more people who live in socialized countries than you do ( especially England ) and they tell me the exact opposite of what you are stating. I also live near and know people that work at Johns Hopkins. From what they have told me and from what i have witnessed personally, people come in from all over the world to get medical treatment there.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The free market did not cause this crisis folks, we did not have a free market when this crisis began.

Ludwig von Mises Institute - Homepage

 

[jschuck12001]

You're either a biased clown or an uninformed clown, and this has got to be the most retarded argument for universal healthcare ever. Because of the company i work for, i'd bet i know a lot more people who live in socialized countries than you do ( especially England ) and they tell me the exact opposite of what you are stating. I also live near and know people that work at Johns Hopkins. From what they have told me and from what i have witnessed personally, people come in from all over the world to get medical treatment there.

People come from all over the world to go to Hopkins because they have some of the worlds best doctors and they do some of the worlds most groundbreaking procedures.

 

[driveby]

People come from all over the world to go to Hopkins because they have some of the worlds best doctors and they do some of the worlds most groundbreaking procedures.

Sorry if i wasn't specific enough, they come from all over the world for treatment for injuries and/or illnesses that require less than groundbreaking treatment. It still validates my point, why aren't these "best doctors and groundbreaking procedures" more common in sooper dooper socialist countries ?

 

[Richard-H]

You're either a biased clown or an uninformed clown, and this has got to be the most retarded argument for universal healthcare ever. Because of the company i work for, i'd bet i know a lot more people who live in socialized countries than you do ( especially England ) and they tell me the exact opposite of what you are stating. I also live near and know people that work at Johns Hopkins. From what they have told me and from what i have witnessed personally, people come in from all over the world to get medical treatment there.

You either an idiot or a total idiot.

There may be a tiny number of super wealthy people go to places like John Hopkins, and it may be true that the cutting edge of American medical services are among the best, but for the most part the American medical industry SUCKS!

Why is it that back in the 1960s doctors in the Soviet Union knew that ulcers were caused by bacteria and treated them with antibiotics, while American doctors were cutting people open for no reason?

Why is it that while American doctors were saying that lime disease was incurable, Lithuanian doctors were curing it?

When it comes to quality of healthcare the U.S. is far behind, in terms of the service available for the vast majority of Americans, than just about every industrialize nation in the world and a few non-industrialized.

I'm sure Warren Buffet and Bill Gates get great medical care, but for the rest of us it SUCKS!

I've known quite a few people that leave America for other countries to get quality care.

Anybody that thinks that the American medical system is anything other than a complete mess is a stupid

 

[SwingVoter]

George W Bush has been the biggest Socialist in the white house since LBJ.

$40 billion a year for the medicare drug plan thanks to him and the GOP congress, after they threw their expensive attempt at social engineering, No Child Left Behind, at us. 61% increase in Fed spending compared to just 30% over Clinton's 8 years, 30% of new jobs in gov't sector under Bush, just 8% under Clinton.

Wake up Republicans, Reagan's long gone and has been replaced by the worst Socialists of all, those who tell you they love limited gov't, while they practice a hatred for it.

 

[elvis]

George W Bush has been the biggest Socialist in the white house since LBJ.

$40 billion a year for the medicare drug plan thanks to him and the GOP congress, after they threw their expensive attempt at social engineering, No Child Left Behind, at us. 61% increase in Fed spending compared to just 30% over Clinton's 8 years, 30% of new jobs in gov't sector under Bush, just 8% under Clinton.

Wake up Republicans, Reagan's long gone and has been replaced by the worst Socialists of all, those who tell you they love limited gov't, while they practice a hatred for it.

unfortunately, ron paul isn't on the ticket.

 

[SwingVoter]

unfortunately, ron paul isn't on the ticket.

Thank God for that, Paul is a lunatic.

I'll bet anything Fed Spending/GDP, Gov't Jobs Created/Total Jobs Created, and Fed Deficit/Total Fed Spending are all lower under Obama than they've been under Bush.