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and how do you think that's going to go now that corporations have been given carte blanche to sink money into political candidates?
since both parties are in the pockets of dozens of industries.....what the hell is the debate all about?.....both parties can give a rats ass about you or me.....all they care about is keeping all of us off balance.....like what this thread is doing....the Democrats have no business accusing the Republicans of being owned by anyone since they are owned by quite a few industries themselves....
and how do you think that's going to go now that corporations have been given carte blanche to sink money into political candidates?
GOP is bought and paid for
Their position on healthcare was written by the insurance industry. Why else such a desperate fight against optional Govt coverage?
The biggest beneficiaries in the Senate included John McCain (R-Ariz.), with $546,000; Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), with $425,000; and Max Baucus (D-Mont.), with $413,000, who as head of the Finance Committee will play a leading role in the debate over health-care reform.
In the House, the two groups gave $257,000 to Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and $249,000 to Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.). On the Democratic side, Rep. Earl Pomeroy (N.D.) received contributions from the insurance sector ($104,000), while Rep. John D. Dingell (Mich.) took in $180,000 from drug companies.
Health Sector Has Donated Millions to Lawmakers - washingtonpost.com
are you sure you're the yurt we know and love? your recent posts (that i've seen) have been models of reasonableness.
and yes... there is zero question that there is too much corporate money flying around...explains why the Baucus bill is such a bad one, doesn't it?
now imagine what it is going to be like post-Citizens United.
The biggest beneficiaries in the Senate included John McCain (R-Ariz.), with $546,000; Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), with $425,000; and Max Baucus (D-Mont.), with $413,000, who as head of the Finance Committee will play a leading role in the debate over health-care reform.
In the House, the two groups gave $257,000 to Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and $249,000 to Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.). On the Democratic side, Rep. Earl Pomeroy (N.D.) received contributions from the insurance sector ($104,000), while Rep. John D. Dingell (Mich.) took in $180,000 from drug companies.
Health Sector Has Donated Millions to Lawmakers - washingtonpost.com
are you sure you're the yurt we know and love? your recent posts (that i've seen) have been models of reasonableness.
and yes... there is zero question that there is too much corporate money flying around...explains why the Baucus bill is such a bad one, doesn't it?
now imagine what it is going to be like post-Citizens United.
my posts are always reasonable, you're just maturing to my great wisdom
and how do you think that's going to go now that corporations have been given carte blanche to sink money into political candidates?
have you read the case? because they aren't allowed to give money to candidates....
and how do you think that's going to go now that corporations have been given carte blanche to sink money into political candidates?
have you read the case? because they aren't allowed to give money to candidates....
yes i read the decision.
i specifically said 'sink money into candidates' because that is what the unlimited funds sunk into campaign ads will be.
do you think there is a significant difference between paying for the ad and handing the money to the candidate so he or she can pay for the ad?
have *you* read the decision?
have you read the case? because they aren't allowed to give money to candidates....
yes i read the decision.
i specifically said 'sink money into candidates' because that is what the unlimited funds sunk into campaign ads will be.
do you think there is a significant difference between paying for the ad and handing the money to the candidate so he or she can pay for the ad?
have *you* read the decision?
there is a difference between an ad by the candidate and an ad by someone else....credibility for one...anyone else has to identify that they are not the candidate....they would not be able to buy obama's half hour of prime time for example....
yes i read the decision.
i specifically said 'sink money into candidates' because that is what the unlimited funds sunk into campaign ads will be.
do you think there is a significant difference between paying for the ad and handing the money to the candidate so he or she can pay for the ad?
have *you* read the decision?
there is a difference between an ad by the candidate and an ad by someone else....credibility for one...anyone else has to identify that they are not the candidate....they would not be able to buy obama's half hour of prime time for example....
i know what the law says. did you actually look at the dissent? because THAT sets forth the reality.
there is a difference between an ad by the candidate and an ad by someone else....credibility for one...anyone else has to identify that they are not the candidate....they would not be able to buy obama's half hour of prime time for example....
i know what the law says. did you actually look at the dissent? because THAT sets forth the reality.
no it doesn't...it sets forth speculation
unless of course you believe our laws are never followed...in that case, what do you care what the majority says, because it doesn't matter as the dissent laid out the "reality"
i know what the law says. did you actually look at the dissent? because THAT sets forth the reality.
no it doesn't...it sets forth speculation
unless of course you believe our laws are never followed...in that case, what do you care what the majority says, because it doesn't matter as the dissent laid out the "reality"
no. it didn't. it set forth the things that would no longer be restricted. the majority decision is an embarrassment. corporations are NOT people.
where did i say i think our laws are never followed?
Weiner: GOP Is 'Wholly Owned Subsidiary Of The Insurance Industry'
The Republican Party is "a wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry," Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) charged on the House floor. When Republican Rep. Dan Lungren (Calif.) objected to the accusation and took the extraordinary step of asking that Weiner's "words be taken down," Weiner pushed back.
"You really don't want to go here, Mr. Lungren," Weiner said. Asking that words be taken down is a move on the House floor that is rarely made and carries great weight.
Weiner, after a pause, asked to have his words withdrawn and said he'd substitute new ones. "Make no mistake about it. Every single Republican I have ever met in my entire life is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the insurance industry," Weiner clarified.
Somehow, that failed to satisfy Lungren, who asked that those too be taken down. After a long pause, before the chair ruled, Lungren withdrew his request.
The GOP is not bought and paid for by any one industry.
They discovered years ago that leasing out on individual issues to various interested corporations would bring in more money.
It is just outsourcing our govt, nothing to get excited about.
It is the republican plan, corporations can run America much better than an elected govt can't they?
The GOP is not bought and paid for by any one industry.
They discovered years ago that leasing out on individual issues to various interested corporations would bring in more money.
It is just outsourcing our govt, nothing to get excited about.
It is the republican plan, corporations can run America much better than an elected govt can't they?
and democrats of course never take money from lobbyists, corps etc...
Dems like Weiner need to keep fighting the American people until we accept a Federal Government with unlimited powers and spending.
Face it, the American people are fucking retards and don't know whats good for them!
Democrats Uber Alles!
The GOP is not bought and paid for by any one industry.
They discovered years ago that leasing out on individual issues to various interested corporations would bring in more money.
It is just outsourcing our govt, nothing to get excited about.
It is the republican plan, corporations can run America much better than an elected govt can't they?
and democrats of course never take money from lobbyists, corps etc...
yes they are corrupt as well, they learned from the republicans.
The Republican Party is "a wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry," Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) charged on the House floor.
I think it's a mistake for Democrats to keep hammering on this. We already know Republicans are on the side of corporations over the American people. It's not like they hide it, Au contraire, they celebrate it.
Look at the right on this board. Applauding the giving of citizens rights to corporations.
Look at the last administration, moving as much of the tax burden as possible from corporations to the middle class. Enabling companies to move American jobs overseas.
Republicans cry foul at unions, who only make up 12% of the labor force in all America. Yet have no problem with corporations throwing unlimited money into elections or making dirty air or water.
You can't scream "egg layer" to a chicken. The chicken just says "thanks".
Screaming that Republicans are in bed with corporations over and over again doesn't work, they will just say "thanks". It not like it's a secret.
Weiner: GOP Is 'Wholly Owned Subsidiary Of The Insurance Industry'
The Republican Party is "a wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry," Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) charged on the House floor. When Republican Rep. Dan Lungren (Calif.) objected to the accusation and took the extraordinary step of asking that Weiner's "words be taken down," Weiner pushed back.
"You really don't want to go here, Mr. Lungren," Weiner said. Asking that words be taken down is a move on the House floor that is rarely made and carries great weight.
Weiner, after a pause, asked to have his words withdrawn and said he'd substitute new ones. "Make no mistake about it. Every single Republican I have ever met in my entire life is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the insurance industry," Weiner clarified.
Somehow, that failed to satisfy Lungren, who asked that those too be taken down. After a long pause, before the chair ruled, Lungren withdrew his request.
Anthony is a great guy. I don't agree with him on every issue, but he's a man of conviction.
