We should stop calling them "Liberals!"

[regent]

So in all those posts did anyone define liberalism correctly?

 

[Pete7469]

You're a piece of shit who belongs in jail.

See how that worked?

Actually that piece of shit belongs in a North Korean gulag.

 

[Boss]

Their poverty is NOWHERE near what ours is. IN fact, they beat us in nearly every major inidcator of quality of life. Hey, AMerica is an awesome place to live if you are rich. I'm more concerned about the rest of us.

Well I totally disagree with all of that but it still doesn't refute my point. I stated that you will always have poverty, it's impossible to eliminate entirely. So until you can present some example of a civilization that ever existed without poverty, you've failed to refute my point and I refuse to be dragged off into a strawman argument based on your unfounded opinions.

You see, this is where you are confused. The point is, in the First World, Child labor HAS been eliminated. But it wasn't eliminated by the "Free Market". It was eliminated because progressives put an end to it.

No it wasn't. It was eliminated because Americans elected representatives who did what we told them we wanted. The point you FAILED to make is that government did that... government didn't do it. Government's don't do things like that. If they did, totalitarian governments would have eliminated child labor and they clearly haven't. The places you see child labor are places where the people have no freedom and government calls the shots... the kind of system you claim to prefer over our own.

Guy, Markets aren't "Free People", and corporations aren't "Free people' and neither are capitalists. Now, I know you've been brainwashed into not understanding the difference, but democracy is the oppossite of capitalism.

We don't live in a democracy. We live in a representative republic. Free market capitalism is a specific kind of capitalism. There are types of capitalism that are terrible and oppressive. Chinese capitalism, for example, exploits slave labor of it's government-controlled peasantry. In America, we have crony corporatism, which is a form of capitalism in collusion with government power to leverage an advantage over competition.

Some corporations, in fact, MOST corporations are free market capitalists. It is through this free market capitalism free people can utilize a free enterprise system to achieve wealth and escape poverty. It's also important to note, in OUR system, we have the freedom to elect representatives who can do something about crony corporatists colluding with government. But this starts by us electing people who aren't already corrupted by the corporatists... electing people who are, or who are corruptible is totally pointless.

 

[Pete7469]

Too bad you weren't standing behind Brown in Ferguson.

It would have worked out if that parasite was standing in front of Brown. Instead he is too consumed with standing behind police waiting to stab them in the back.

 

[Boss]

You see, I used to be a conservative...

No, Joey... you've NEVER been a Conservative. You just thought you were a Conservative when you didn't understand that Conservatives weren't little guilty white racists like yourself. When you began to discover what Conservatives really were, you ran away from that because that wasn't you. It's more comfortable for you to embrace Marxism and Communism where you think government can control the people and make them conform to your bigotry.

You see... Conservatives believe all Americans are a minority of one. We are all individuals, free to engage in free enterprise with one another and compete in a free market with our ideas, talents and skills, to obtain any level of wealth we so desire. We believe in the power of our Constitution and representative republican government to ensure our paths are clear and we are able to pursue our own happiness but the power of our government is limited and enumerated, gaining it's power from the consent of the governed.

 

[Pete7469]

You see, I used to be a conservative...

No, Joey... you've NEVER been a Conservative. You just thought you were a Conservative....

I disagree on one point. Joey never had the capacity to think. If he isn't just a Jerkoff Fakey sock account anyway, he is simply using the moonbat talking point;

I was a Republican but they've become right wing extremists.

No one who has ever been a legitimate conservative and valued the Constitution would call the republicrat party "right wing" or extreme. No one who understands how leftists work would endorse the idea of allowing marxists to incrementally advance a destructive agenda.

You don't compromise with a rapist do you? I'm sure Joey would offer to blow the creep, knowing he's still going to get it in the ass before it's all said and done anyway, but the rest of us would break retention and plant the sick bastard.

That's the difference between so called moderturds that "comprise" with criminally insane sociopaths and the rest of us.

Now if libturds actually had some good ideas, policies that were designed to sincerely promote real freedom rather than undermine actual freedom established by the Constitution I might consider it. However their intentions are always to pursue nefarious goals.

Even if the average moonbat drones is oblivious to the real objective, the criminally insane totalitarian sociopaths that establish the leftist agenda do so for no other purpose than to tear the country down financially, morally, spiritually and militarily.

 

[JoeB131]

"Then in 1957, Johnson would help get the “****** bill” passed, known to most as the Civil Rights Act of 1957. With the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act, the segregationists would go to their graves knowing the cause they’d given their lives to had been betrayed, Frank Underwood style, by a man they believed to be one of their own. When Caro asked segregationist Georgia Democrat Herman Talmadge how he felt when Johnson, signing the Civil Rights Act, said ”we shall overcome,” Talmadge said “sick.”

Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

Sure thing.

SO nothing in your article actually has him saying what you quoted him as saying, then?

So your argument is that a white man in the 1950's was probably racist? No? Really?

In related news, water is wet.

 

[JoeB131]

No, Joey... you've NEVER been a Conservative. You just thought you were a Conservative when you didn't understand that Conservatives weren't little guilty white racists like yourself. When you began to discover what Conservatives really were, you ran away from that because that wasn't you. It's more comfortable for you to embrace Marxism and Communism where you think government can control the people and make them conform to your bigotry.

You see... Conservatives believe all Americans are a minority of one. We are all individuals, free to engage in free enterprise with one another and compete in a free market with our ideas, talents and skills, to obtain any level of wealth we so desire. We believe in the power of our Constitution and representative republican government to ensure our paths are clear and we are able to pursue our own happiness but the power of our government is limited and enumerated, gaining it's power from the consent of the governed.

You might be on to something here, Spanky. Conservatism is frequently an excuse for selfishness, and I'm proud to say I'm not a selfish person.

What I was is someone who bought into the more reasonable sounding arguments Conservatives USED to make. Of course, all of these arguments have been proven false, so you guys don't make them anymore.

You guys don't claim that Tax Cuts for the Rich spur economic growth anymore. Now your argument is the rich are extra special and deserve to keep their money because government are a bunch of meany-heads who are going to spend it on poor people and stuff.

You see, what i figured out was that no matter how hard you work, how many hours you put in to a thankless job, how much education you get, you will always have that little turd who blows the boss or goes golfing with him who will have an advantage.

So I'm sort of done with "conservatism". I was done when my previous boss (who is now kissing my ass hoping I'll throw orders his way at my current job) announced he could totally fuck me over because "He didn't have to deal with a union".

 

[JoeB131]

No one who has ever been a legitimate conservative and valued the Constitution would call the republicrat party "right wing" or extreme. No one who understands how leftists work would endorse the idea of allowing marxists to incrementally advance a destructive agenda.

Here's where you get a little confused. "Conservatism" as you like to call it, is a mixture of religious nuts who really want to impose themselves on us, and Libertarians who want government to get out of the way so we can have a Mad Max style anarchy.

So these "Extremes" are frequently at odds. You don't want the government telling a corporation they can't dump toxins in the water, but you do want it telling a lady what kind of birth control she should be able to use in order to please an imaginary man in the sky. You don't want hte government teaching kids about tolerance, but you do want it to pushy Bronze Age mythology as science.

This is all manner of fucked up and no doubt causes a lot of confusion on your part.

 

[Boss]

No, Joey... you've NEVER been a Conservative. You just thought you were a Conservative when you didn't understand that Conservatives weren't little guilty white racists like yourself. When you began to discover what Conservatives really were, you ran away from that because that wasn't you. It's more comfortable for you to embrace Marxism and Communism where you think government can control the people and make them conform to your bigotry.

You see... Conservatives believe all Americans are a minority of one. We are all individuals, free to engage in free enterprise with one another and compete in a free market with our ideas, talents and skills, to obtain any level of wealth we so desire. We believe in the power of our Constitution and representative republican government to ensure our paths are clear and we are able to pursue our own happiness but the power of our government is limited and enumerated, gaining it's power from the consent of the governed.

You might be on to something here, Spanky. Conservatism is frequently an excuse for selfishness, and I'm proud to say I'm not a selfish person.

What I was is someone who bought into the more reasonable sounding arguments Conservatives USED to make. Of course, all of these arguments have been proven false, so you guys don't make them anymore.

You guys don't claim that Tax Cuts for the Rich spur economic growth anymore. Now your argument is the rich are extra special and deserve to keep their money because government are a bunch of meany-heads who are going to spend it on poor people and stuff.

You see, what i figured out was that no matter how hard you work, how many hours you put in to a thankless job, how much education you get, you will always have that little turd who blows the boss or goes golfing with him who will have an advantage.

So I'm sort of done with "conservatism". I was done when my previous boss (who is now kissing my ass hoping I'll throw orders his way at my current job) announced he could totally fuck me over because "He didn't have to deal with a union".

What a fucking joke. Your former boss is probably glad to be rid of your halitosis. Everything you just reeled off is so convoluted and disjointed it doesn't even make rational sense. It's like all you know how to do is spew garbage. I've kicked that ass in every point you've tried to make and you've failed every attempt to refute my points so now you're just a garbage-spewing little windbag stinking up my thread.

It is absolutely no surprise to me you are a failure at life. I've never met anyone with so little sense who thought he was such a big deal. No wonder you're such a big government shitstain. It must give you some sense of power over others. After all, you're too stupid to climb the ladder of success on your own... by your own admission... so you decided to cling to the coattails of government to feel important in your miserable life. But you're not important, Joey... and you never will be. You're a loser.

No one is selfish if they are Conservative. We don't believe in "tax cuts for the rich" because we don't tax wealth in this country, we tax income. Top income earners are job creators. We don't jack their taxes up because of jealousy and envy like you want to do because it kills job creation. If anyone here is selfish, it's little piss dribbles like you who think they are entitled to what someone else worked for.

Every tax dollar you STEAL is money someone worked to produce. They expended a portion of their lives to obtain that money. It doesn't belong to you, there was no effort put in by you to earn it. You want to be benevolent with your own resources, you go for it! But just because you are failed loser who doesn't have any resources, doesn't give you the right to steal mine.

 

[NoNukes]

Liberalism is defined as a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. The 17th century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property and according to the social contract, governments must not violate these rights.

For all practical purposes, what was once thought of as "liberalism" is now known as "libertarianism." So what happened to "liberalism?" Well, it was hijacked in the mid 20th century by progressives. Progressivism is a general political philosophy advocating or favoring gradual social, political, and economic reform through government action. So we see the major difference is the use of the government, liberalism and progressivism are distinctly different concepts. From here, the progressives have been usurped by the socialists and communists, who advocate for a Marxist-style system to replace capitalism. These people currently claim the "Liberal" banner, but they are not even remotely related.

The battle for American independence, was very much a "liberal" cause. We sought our independence from totalitarian rule by kings, in the name of individual liberty. We established a government system that did not interfere with personal freedom, and confined itself, through the constitution, to a limited role. However, through the Progressive movement to the modern day Socialists, we now see "liberals" adopting a 2,700 page health care bill which uses the word "shall" over 3,000 times. These people are not about personal liberty at all. They are all about control. From the type of light bulbs you can use, the kind of car you can drive, and how much of your income you will be allowed to keep.

We continue to see and hear the very same arguments presented by the Socialist movement in Europe, through most of the 20th century, repackaged and presented as if it's some new revolutionary idea. The 1% vs. 99% meme, is almost verbatim, the argument made by Mao Zedong, which sparked the People's Revolution in China. What had happened in China, was a result of a dynasty which controlled all power, unfairly and unequally favoring the elite members close to the ruler. These people were exploiting the resources and labor of the masses, and profiting from the capitalism at the expense of the people.

Mao proposed, just as the Occupy Wall Streeters have, that something must be done to mitigate the out of control capitalism, which was not benefiting the masses. Of course, after Mao was brought to power through revolution, the "grand plan" called for systemic elimination of all capitalism, to the extent of literally executing those who practiced it. Once all of the capitalists were dead, and the government had confiscated their wealth, the idea was, the wealth would be equally distributed to the people and everyone would be better off. But that didn't happen. The socialist "dream" never does happen, because those who are to do the redistributing become very corrupt, and take the money for themselves.

The disaster in China began to unfold after the capitalists were gone, and the elite controlled the wealth, but didn't know what to do with it, other than spend it. As the masses continued to suffer and starve to death, they became rebellious, and eventually, the Mao regime began to execute political dissidents. It is estimated that over 70 million people died as a result of Mao's reign of power. In the end, the masses were not better off, they were considerably worse off. It wasn't until after Mao's death, the government was able to 'moderate' back to a somewhat capitalist style system, and in a matter of the past 40 years, have emerged as a global economic superpower. The point, and lesson, was that destroying capitalism didn't solve the problems, it made matters worse.

It is through our unique combination of limited government intervention, personal freedom, and free market, free enterprise capitalism, that we have been able to enjoy unprecedented success as a nation. This was very much a "liberal" idea, but what we see today from the left in America is completely foreign to that concept. Indeed, we should stop calling these people "liberals" and start calling them what they are, Communists, Socialists, Marxists and Maoists.

Things change. Progression.

 

[JoeB131]

What a fucking joke. Your former boss is probably glad to be rid of your halitosis. Everything you just reeled off is so convoluted and disjointed it doesn't even make rational sense. It's like all you know how to do is spew garbage. I've kicked that ass in every point you've tried to make and you've failed every attempt to refute my points so now you're just a garbage-spewing little windbag stinking up my thread.

Guy, the only thing you did was expose what a racist tool you are of the One Percent...

It is absolutely no surprise to me you are a failure at life. I've never met anyone with so little sense who thought he was such a big deal. No wonder you're such a big government shitstain. It must give you some sense of power over others. After all, you're too stupid to climb the ladder of success on your own... by your own admission... so you decided to cling to the coattails of government to feel important in your miserable life. But you're not important, Joey... and you never will be. You're a loser.

Guy, I'm probably more successful than you are... living next to a toxic waste dump in Jesusland and thinking you are all that.

But you might have a point. I don't stab people int he back to advance myself and I don't define myself by how much money I have...

No one is selfish if they are Conservative. We don't believe in "tax cuts for the rich" because we don't tax wealth in this country, we tax income. Top income earners are job creators. We don't jack their taxes up because of jealousy and envy like you want to do because it kills job creation. If anyone here is selfish, it's little piss dribbles like you who think they are entitled to what someone else worked for.

This is what you keep getting wrong. The Rich don't create jobs. CONSUMER DEMAND creates jobs. We had our GREATEST prosperity when the rich were taxed at 93% top marginal rates and the workforce was 33% unionized. Because then the wealth was more evenly distributed and you had solid consumer demand for things.

But you clowns have let the rich drive down working people's wages for the last 40 years, and then you wonder why the economy can't be stimulated no matter what you do to it.

Every tax dollar you STEAL is money someone worked to produce. They expended a portion of their lives to obtain that money. It doesn't belong to you, there was no effort put in by you to earn it. You want to be benevolent with your own resources, you go for it! But just because you are failed loser who doesn't have any resources, doesn't give you the right to steal mine.

Again, this is where you keep getting confused. The rich don't "produce" much of anything. They simply steal from the guys who did the work. all the government does is steal some of that back. I'm sorry you keep getting confused on this point, but you aren't very bright, that is obvious.

 

[Boss]

What a fucking joke. Your former boss is probably glad to be rid of your halitosis. Everything you just reeled off is so convoluted and disjointed it doesn't even make rational sense. It's like all you know how to do is spew garbage. I've kicked that ass in every point you've tried to make and you've failed every attempt to refute my points so now you're just a garbage-spewing little windbag stinking up my thread.

Guy, the only thing you did was expose what a racist tool you are of the One Percent...

It is absolutely no surprise to me you are a failure at life. I've never met anyone with so little sense who thought he was such a big deal. No wonder you're such a big government shitstain. It must give you some sense of power over others. After all, you're too stupid to climb the ladder of success on your own... by your own admission... so you decided to cling to the coattails of government to feel important in your miserable life. But you're not important, Joey... and you never will be. You're a loser.

Guy, I'm probably more successful than you are... living next to a toxic waste dump in Jesusland and thinking you are all that.

But you might have a point. I don't stab people int he back to advance myself and I don't define myself by how much money I have...

No one is selfish if they are Conservative. We don't believe in "tax cuts for the rich" because we don't tax wealth in this country, we tax income. Top income earners are job creators. We don't jack their taxes up because of jealousy and envy like you want to do because it kills job creation. If anyone here is selfish, it's little piss dribbles like you who think they are entitled to what someone else worked for.

This is what you keep getting wrong. The Rich don't create jobs. CONSUMER DEMAND creates jobs. We had our GREATEST prosperity when the rich were taxed at 93% top marginal rates and the workforce was 33% unionized. Because then the wealth was more evenly distributed and you had solid consumer demand for things.

But you clowns have let the rich drive down working people's wages for the last 40 years, and then you wonder why the economy can't be stimulated no matter what you do to it.

Every tax dollar you STEAL is money someone worked to produce. They expended a portion of their lives to obtain that money. It doesn't belong to you, there was no effort put in by you to earn it. You want to be benevolent with your own resources, you go for it! But just because you are failed loser who doesn't have any resources, doesn't give you the right to steal mine.

Again, this is where you keep getting confused. The rich don't "produce" much of anything. They simply steal from the guys who did the work. all the government does is steal some of that back. I'm sorry you keep getting confused on this point, but you aren't very bright, that is obvious.

Shut up ass clown. You're just droning on with the same old Marxist nonsense. "The Rich" all paid their taxes when they were getting rich. Top wage earners are mostly small businesses who create 90% of the jobs. The more money you steal from them, the less money they have to spend on goods and services.

And you don't need to slobber all over labor unions, I can tell you're a little fucktard union leech... all you ever do is whine and moan about wages whenever you're not complaining about having to work for them. You want to sit on your little dumb ass and not do anything while working up your anger and rage at people who've been successful and worked hard. Typical little unimportant pissant loser.

 

[JoeB131]

Shut up ass clown. You're just droning on with the same old Marxist nonsense. "The Rich" all paid their taxes when they were getting rich. Top wage earners are mostly small businesses who create 90% of the jobs. The more money you steal from them, the less money they have to spend on goods and services.

Yawn, get a little tired of listening to the whine of small business people who blame government for the fact they are small businesses.

And you don't need to slobber all over labor unions, I can tell you're a little fucktard union leech... all you ever do is whine and moan about wages whenever you're not complaining about having to work for them. You want to sit on your little dumb ass and not do anything while working up your anger and rage at people who've been successful and worked hard. Typical little unimportant pissant loser.

Guy, I WISH I belonged to a union. Unions are awesome. We should make them mandetory for all workplaces.

 

[Boss]

Yawn, get a little tired of listening to the whine of small business people who blame government for the fact they are small businesses.

I don't give a good fuck what you're tired of to be honest. No one blamed anyone for anything, that's your shtick. So now, you want to mock small businesses as well as the big corporations. I'm not sure where the fuck you think people are supposed to work. That's typical of a shitstain loser like you. Somehow, you believe we're all put on this planet to give a shit what you think. Face the facts, Joey... you're an insignificant little dweeb who is never going to make a difference. That's why you spend your days here, desperately trying to act like you're important.

Guy, I WISH I belonged to a union. Unions are awesome. We should make them mandetory for all workplaces.

Oh, I am sure you wished you belonged to a union but you're too stupid to belong to anything related to labor. It's a good thing USMB doesn't have any kind of test for intelligence or you couldn't belong here. I blame the existence of morons like you on our over-protective society... back in the old days, you'd have walked in front of a bus by now or something.... took your monthly shower with your blow dryer... or ate rat poison as candy... something would have 'self-cleaned' you from society. But we're forced to put up with you and your incessant idiot mouth spewing garbage 24/7.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't give a good fuck what you're tired of to be honest. No one blamed anyone for anything, that's your shtick. So now, you want to mock small businesses as well as the big corporations. I'm not sure where the fuck you think people are supposed to work. That's typical of a shitstain loser like you. Somehow, you believe we're all put on this planet to give a shit what you think. Face the facts, Joey... you're an insignificant little dweeb who is never going to make a difference. That's why you spend your days here, desperately trying to act like you're important.

I've made more of a difference than you have, dweeb. Have a whole box of medals from the Army and recognitions from places I've worked that says otherwise. I'd stack my resume up against yours any day of the week.

Oh, I am sure you wished you belonged to a union but you're too stupid to belong to anything related to labor. It's a good thing USMB doesn't have any kind of test for intelligence or you couldn't belong here. I blame the existence of morons like you on our over-protective society... back in the old days, you'd have walked in front of a bus by now or something.... took your monthly shower with your blow dryer... or ate rat poison as candy... something would have 'self-cleaned' you from society. But we're forced to put up with you and your incessant idiot mouth spewing garbage 24/7.

Well, guy, I think you are just showing us more of that "Christian Love" I've heard so much about.

This is what makes you guys truly "toxic". You are so full of hate you can't see you are being conned by you real enemies. And 10 years ago, I was almost as bad as you, listening to some fat bloviator on Hate Radio. Now I know better.

 

[Boss]

I've made more of a difference than you have, dweeb.

Sure you have, Joey... sure you have!

I'd stack my resume up against yours any day of the week.

And you'd be royally embarrassed just like you are on a daily basis by me.

I think you are just showing us more of that "Christian Love" I've heard so much about.

Interesting, since I'm not a Christian.

You are so full of hate you can't see you are being conned by you real enemies.

Oh, I don't hate you, Joey... I feel sorry for you. It must be rough going through life as such a hopeless loser. I don't particularly LIKE you because you're such a bigoted racist lying prick. MY enemies are Socialists who want to destroy free market capitalism... but you're far too stupid to be one of them, you're just one of their "useful idiots" carrying the water for them.

 

[JoeB131]

Interesting, since I'm not a Christian

Oh, none of you people are... that's the point.

Oh, I don't hate you, Joey... I feel sorry for you. It must be rough going through life as such a hopeless loser. I don't particularly LIKE you because you're such a bigoted racist lying prick. MY enemies are Socialists who want to destroy free market capitalism... but you're far too stupid to be one of them, you're just one of their "useful idiots" carrying the water for them.

Guy, nobody is trying to destroy "Free Market Capitalism" except for Free Market Capitalists... this is kind of what you don't get.

You guys got everything you wanted and got the WORST RECESSION IN 80 YEARS.

But that was beacuse Barney Frank let poor people buy houses, not because the market crashed the economy into the wall at 95 MPH.

Hey, here's something for you to try to figure out... how come it is that the Rich get everything they want- Free Trade, Tax cuts you pay for, Deregulation - but you Christian Dweebs never get the stuff YOU want - gay marriage, abortion, prayer in schools, Creationism?

Hmmmm... makes me wonder who the "useful idiots" truly are.

If people voted their economic interests, you guys would lose every time. And frankly, before Tricky Dick and Ronnie Ray-gun found Jesus you had lost.