We Need to Have School Choice Because Our Public Schools are Failing

Um I have been sounding this gong for a few years now. These evacuation circumstances are not at ALL "rare" and it is NOT the problem of the "public schools". You could disband every single public school today and you would still have this problem. It's a SOCIETY problem.
It's a special education problem. There is more mainstreaming than is sound policy. The opportunities of the average/normal nondisabled majority of children to learn have been compromised by placing severely troubled and cognitively handicapped children in their classrooms. I love those special education students; that is not the problem. They are pointed out as "special" for a reason, though, and until they are able to function at a reasonably normal level, they do not belong in the standard classroom. They were removed from their segregated classrooms because of poor teachers who did not expect the most of them. That is the teachers' fault, and our children should not be the victims of that.

You don't know shit about special education. Teachers do not solely make any determinations about placement of these students. .Those decisions are made by teachers, administrators, psychologists, the parents and even the students themselves. It is called an Individualized education Plan (IEP) for the non-educator know-nothings out there spouting bullshit! The parents have to sign off on it! our biggest struggle was getting them to show up for the meeting! They couldn't be bothered with Little Johnny's or Little Suzy's education

I'll bet you didn't know that placement in the least restrictive environment is a federal law.
I'm very familiar with it. I'm a teacher. I've worked with the special little buggers and sat through plenty of IEP meetings. I'm not kidding when I say I love them; they have a special place in my heart. That doesn't change my mind, though.

I just categorically proved everything you said to be wrong, and you still cling to your ignorant opinion based on no facts at all. You are definitely a libtard!. You were not a special education teacher unless that somehow means that you worked your way up through special education classes to become a driving school teacher.
 
I'm very familiar with it. I'm a teacher. I've worked with the special little buggers and sat through plenty of IEP meetings. I'm not kidding when I say I love them; they have a special place in my heart. That doesn't change my mind, though.

Well, would have been a special needs student too, back in the Black and White TV era.

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And you can not control the classroom when a violent kid is disrupting the class!

If you remove the kid those like you scream saying it is unfair and the kid should be there and if the kid is a minority you scream louder that it is racism at play and the other kids should suffer because of the disruptive brat.

You will not allow schools to put these kids in behavioral classes and demand those disruptive kids be allow to hurt and injure other kids and teachers, so tell the board how is it the teacher fault?

You put thirty plus students in a room and demand one person to control the little town of brats, and remember you can not correct the child that is out of control, so you blame the teacher as usual.

Be a parent and knock the crap out of your kid when shown how your darling is disrupting the class!

As for School choice I am for it because the School can deny the brat if they have behavioral issues!

Of course you are... heaven forbid we actually try to teach little Jamal if he's poor.

A lot of teachers plain old shouldn't be teachers.
 
Private schools can have parents:
1) sign waivers to let little johnny get paddled or not let him in.
2) The waivers can state that if little Johnny disrupts class the first time he gets detention, the second time he gets paddled, the thiurd time he is evicted and the money paid refunded on a prorated basis.
3) The private school can also have a minimum GPA to maintain in order for the kid to still qualify for the school.

My son went to a private school for a year and they are totally 100% different than public schools. Parents are fighting to get in them.

I'm sure they are... and it's wonderful if you can afford them.

Here's the thing. In Chicago, the Catholic Schools are shutting down parochial schools because not enough people can afford them,and they can get just as good an education at a public school.

This can only be a positive development.
 
Alethia got me started on this, lol, but my eyes have been opened as to how bad our public schools have become across the whole country.
They should start having live online classes. But those students that has their own personal computer at home can have class from their home. But those that don't. That there should be a place in their own neighborhood, like a community center, that has computers. That they should have video cameras and security guards replacing teachers to make sure that none of the students doesn't vandalize the equipment, and or being disruptive to other students that has came to learn. But the teachers teaches from their computer from their homes. Which this will solve the problems of teachers having to relocate to areas that the cost of living is so expensive, and solve the problem of them spending money for traveling expenses., and having to spend money on a babysitter. And this will prevent the tax payers from spending on busing kids, insurance and the maintenance of the school grounds. And the parents will know what their children are being taught. And the things that they don't want their children to learn. They can just tell their children to ignore.
But trying to force children with mental issues due to toxins in their bodies. That it will cause them to be aggressive around others. That it is not a wise to do. That they should have a special place for them. Like a room with a t.v. behind bullet proof glass. That only shows reruns all day of Leave it to Beaver shows. And just hope that these reruns will recondition the child's mind.



That's a great idea! It is just too bad that it doesn't work! Online learning is a failure, has been a failure and will always be a failure because the human interaction is what causes learning to take place.[/QUOTE]

There are all kinds of on-line classes. Are you saying none of them work?

My guess is that Leftists are just terrified they can't cancel a science class to drag them out into the streets to go protest guns and turn them all against any Republican politicians. They also want children to continue to have abortions in secret thanks to school nurses around the country, as their parents known nothing about it.

They truth is, the land and staff and buses, etc., cost too much money and is an outdated form of education.
 
Alethia got me started on this, lol, but my eyes have been opened as to how bad our public schools have become across the whole country.


Disruptive Students force teachers to evacuate classrooms



Oregon classrooms in crisis



New Jersey public schools in chaos



Green Bay Award Winning Teacher resigns due to safety concerns and describes



Teachers quitting due to chaos and violence



Georgia students cause teachers to quit
Why Teachers Quit? Student Behavior

School choice is a wonderful idea....I am in total support of schools getting to choose what students to accept and/keep.
 
Um I have been sounding this gong for a few years now. These evacuation circumstances are not at ALL "rare" and it is NOT the problem of the "public schools". You could disband every single public school today and you would still have this problem. It's a SOCIETY problem.


Well, yes and no. Private schools do often seem to deal with it better, even if dealing with it, is just shit canning the fucked up kids, instead of letting them shit can the whole class.

Troubled kids often come from families unable to afford private school.
 
There are all kinds of on-line classes. Are you saying none of them work?

My guess is that Leftists are just terrified they can't cancel a science class to drag them out into the streets to go protest guns and turn them all against any Republican politicians. They also want children to continue to have abortions in secret thanks to school nurses around the country, as their parents known nothing about it.

They truth is, the land and staff and buses, etc., cost too much money and is an outdated form of education.

BUt you guys don't have anything better. Let's say you replace the schools with "on line" learning. Awesome. Now who's going to watch these kids to make sure they aren't blowing off their lessons and checking onto porn sites?

I mean, I guess one parent can stay home and watch them, cutting the family's earning potential in half.
 
There are all kinds of on-line classes. Are you saying none of them work?

My guess is that Leftists are just terrified they can't cancel a science class to drag them out into the streets to go protest guns and turn them all against any Republican politicians. They also want children to continue to have abortions in secret thanks to school nurses around the country, as their parents known nothing about it.

They truth is, the land and staff and buses, etc., cost too much money and is an outdated form of education.

BUt you guys don't have anything better. Let's say you replace the schools with "on line" learning. Awesome. Now who's going to watch these kids to make sure they aren't blowing off their lessons and checking onto porn sites?

I mean, I guess one parent can stay home and watch them, cutting the family's earning potential in half.

One parent stay home? You regressive you. What, do you think this is the 1950's again? That simply won't do, the state needs all the slaves they can muster to bring in tax dollars.
 
Alethia got me started on this, lol, but my eyes have been opened as to how bad our public schools have become across the whole country.
They should start having live online classes. But those students that has their own personal computer at home can have class from their home. But those that don't. That there should be a place in their own neighborhood, like a community center, that has computers. That they should have video cameras and security guards replacing teachers to make sure that none of the students doesn't vandalize the equipment, and or being disruptive to other students that has came to learn. But the teachers teaches from their computer from their homes. Which this will solve the problems of teachers having to relocate to areas that the cost of living is so expensive, and solve the problem of them spending money for traveling expenses., and having to spend money on a babysitter. And this will prevent the tax payers from spending on busing kids, insurance and the maintenance of the school grounds. And the parents will know what their children are being taught. And the things that they don't want their children to learn. They can just tell their children to ignore.
But trying to force children with mental issues due to toxins in their bodies. That it will cause them to be aggressive around others. That it is not a wise to do. That they should have a special place for them. Like a room with a t.v. behind bullet proof glass. That only shows reruns all day of Leave it to Beaver shows. And just hope that these reruns will recondition the child's mind.



That's a great idea! It is just too bad that it doesn't work! Online learning is a failure, has been a failure and will always be a failure because the human interaction is what causes learning to take place.


There are all kinds of on-line classes. Are you saying none of them work?

My guess is that Leftists are just terrified they can't cancel a science class to drag them out into the streets to go protest guns and turn them all against any Republican politicians. They also want children to continue to have abortions in secret thanks to school nurses around the country, as their parents known nothing about it.

They truth is, the land and staff and buses, etc., cost too much money and is an outdated form of education.[/QUOTE]

Most on-line classes are failures because students do not retain the information. It is also incredibly easy to cheat the system. They are nothing but diploma mills.

Ever hear of the University of Phoenix? Big school of online with no "real" classrooms. Right?
My daughter-in-law, a veteran, attended their online classes and learned nothing. The VA no longer recognizes it for education purposes. It is a scam.
 
Alethia got me started on this, lol, but my eyes have been opened as to how bad our public schools have become across the whole country.


Disruptive Students force teachers to evacuate classrooms



Oregon classrooms in crisis



New Jersey public schools in chaos



Green Bay Award Winning Teacher resigns due to safety concerns and describes



Teachers quitting due to chaos and violence



Georgia students cause teachers to quit
Why Teachers Quit? Student Behavior

The major contributors to the problem are: Parents and often, the lack of two parent households. When there are no fathers in the picture, the kids learn behavior from their male peers. Then there are the idiotic parents that believe that teachers shouldn't be allowed to discipline their precious idiots. Of course, you now have teachers that are actively working to alienate your kids from their parents generation and indoctrinate them into hating their own country.
 
The major contributors to the problem are: Parents and often, the lack of two parent households. When there are no fathers in the picture, the kids learn behavior from their male peers. Then there are the idiotic parents that believe that teachers shouldn't be allowed to discipline their precious idiots. Of course, you now have teachers that are actively working to alienate your kids from their parents generation and indoctrinate them into hating their own country.

School Vouchers to the rescue.
 
What we need is a nationally recognized educational credential that students, regardless of public or private school, earn by qualifying in such areas as math, science, geography, literature, study of a foreign language.

I recently read an article on the British educational system, which requires students to sit for exams to qualify them to receive a recognized certificate known as a General Certificate of Secondary Education (GCSE). Upon passing, the students go on to Advanced levels, known as "college," and then may advance to university. The point of the article was that there were private schools operating on an "ACE" curriculum, which has some religious affiliation, which gave graduating students some other "certificate" that did not qualify them for anything. It was just some made-up certificate.
 
School vouchers will not solve the overall problem of the problem with teachers, as lower income families will still need to use government run schools.
The Department of Education must implement strict compliance by public schools to ensure mandatory classes in the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and its Bill of Rights, as well as the Federalist Papers and basics in Business Economics and students "must" achieve passing grades in such classes to graduate.
Of course, if you use a voucher to get your student out of a school that you feel isn't up to par, that hasn't solved the chaos of unruly students in those schools. All parents must sign agreements that should their children misbehave, the instructor has their permission to use whatever discipline he/she feels is necessary to control the students misbehavior, otherwise, the parents cannot bring their students to the school.
 
School vouchers will not solve the overall problem of the problem with teachers, as lower income families will still need to use government run schools.
The Department of Education must implement strict compliance by public schools to ensure mandatory classes in the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and its Bill of Rights, as well as the Federalist Papers and basics in Business Economics and students "must" achieve passing grades in such classes to graduate.
Of course, if you use a voucher to get your student out of a school that you feel isn't up to par, that hasn't solved the chaos of unruly students in those schools. All parents must sign agreements that should their children misbehave, the instructor has their permission to use whatever discipline he/she feels is necessary to control the students misbehavior, otherwise, the parents cannot bring their students to the school.
The Department of Education must implement strict compliance by public schools to ensure mandatory classes in the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and its Bill of Rights, as well as the Federalist Papers and basics in Business Economics and students "must" achieve passing grades in such classes to graduate.

I don't know why "business economics" is included, but I was taught all of these things in public school (one of my teachers was an ex-Marine officer who had junior-high folks memorizing even the executive-branch departments and the majority and minority whips in Congress). Yeah. We covered the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and the Federalist Papers. This laid the foundation for my further studies in history and law.
 
Alethia got me started on this, lol, but my eyes have been opened as to how bad our public schools have become across the whole country.
They should start having live online classes. But those students that has their own personal computer at home can have class from their home. But those that don't. That there should be a place in their own neighborhood, like a community center, that has computers. That they should have video cameras and security guards replacing teachers to make sure that none of the students doesn't vandalize the equipment, and or being disruptive to other students that has came to learn. But the teachers teaches from their computer from their homes. Which this will solve the problems of teachers having to relocate to areas that the cost of living is so expensive, and solve the problem of them spending money for traveling expenses., and having to spend money on a babysitter. And this will prevent the tax payers from spending on busing kids, insurance and the maintenance of the school grounds. And the parents will know what their children are being taught. And the things that they don't want their children to learn. They can just tell their children to ignore.
But trying to force children with mental issues due to toxins in their bodies. That it will cause them to be aggressive around others. That it is not a wise to do. That they should have a special place for them. Like a room with a t.v. behind bullet proof glass. That only shows reruns all day of Leave it to Beaver shows. And just hope that these reruns will recondition the child's mind.

[/QUOTE]

So your brilliant idea is to have low-income children go to "community centers" with cameras and expensive equipment....but no actual adults.

wow
 
Um I have been sounding this gong for a few years now. These evacuation circumstances are not at ALL "rare" and it is NOT the problem of the "public schools". You could disband every single public school today and you would still have this problem. It's a SOCIETY problem.


Well, yes and no. Private schools do often seem to deal with it better, even if dealing with it, is just shit canning the fucked up kids, instead of letting them shit can the whole class.

The videos, if you watched them, mention kindergartners attacking teachers and other kids. How are the public schools responsible for that?
Liberals in the public schools are responsible by allowing it to become common practice

Kids will do whatever they are allowed to get away with

If one kid attacks the teacher and is not stopped others will feel free to act up also

You don't know kids very well at all
 
Um I have been sounding this gong for a few years now. These evacuation circumstances are not at ALL "rare" and it is NOT the problem of the "public schools". You could disband every single public school today and you would still have this problem. It's a SOCIETY problem.

Yes, people who shouldn't be teachers because they can't control a classroom are still teachers... that's kind of a problem.

Way to think like an idiot again Joe
 
No more school choice, that way our public schools will get better. Devos was put in to end public schools , she tried to ruin them in Detroit. Her and Engler.

Penny Jackboots weighs in with the Jackboots laced up tight. She just wants to tells us all what to do, per usual.

You suck, Penny
 
Um I have been sounding this gong for a few years now. These evacuation circumstances are not at ALL "rare" and it is NOT the problem of the "public schools". You could disband every single public school today and you would still have this problem. It's a SOCIETY problem.


I humbly disagree, Sue. When I was in school in the 1970's, I was in private school and the religious brothers who ran the joint kept the place in order using violence and corporal punishment when needed.

OTOH, the local Government School were extraordinarily chaotic places when the children ran amok. A friend of mine who went to government school still has the switchblade that his dad insisted he bring to school each day. Kids getting shivved in the boys rooms was common

So kids coming into kindergarten tearing the place up...this is the problem of the public schools. We created this
 

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