We need to fix welfare now or else

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    Social programs are killing this country slowly but surely. Far too many people are becoming dependent on other people to provide for their needs. It is not other people’s responsibility to care for them. They need to learn to care for themselves. Welfare is needed to help but it needs a way to force people to want to get off welfare. Until that happens welfare will continue to grow and the governments will continue to go more broke. It is not just the US it is happening around the world. Even the Romans found out it was a problem. It is like having a child at home. If you make life easy for them and provide everything, they will never leave home. You have to balance supporting them and making it uneasy to help them out the door and become responsible for themselves.
     
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    Fix Welfare by creating employment for those who have none. Which will also fix our debt problem
     
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    I agree with you, it's time the corporations and the wealthy pulled their own weight and worked instead of relying on the government dole. It's time taxes went to building our nation and its infrastructure and not building the wealth of the few. Good post.

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    Ever see Mad Max ? That's exactly what you'll get if or when they're cut off.
    Have a look at Venezuela and Brazil. Go ahead. Vote for that.
     
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    Venezuela, Brazil or Greece. Take your pick.
     
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    Thanks for complimenting my post. I agree the rich should contribute more than the rest but at some point you have gone to far. Currently our corporate tax is the highest among developed nations. Currently the top 10% provide 70% of the tax revenue in this nation which is also tops among developed nations. Last when considering the tax rate don't forget the states. The corporate tax was 35% before the Bush tax cuts and are now something like 32%. If you corporation is in New York the corporate tax rate there is 15%. So combined the a corporation in New York would pay almost 50%. That is just crazy.
     
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    ...two things that are wrong with your Kool-Aid argument..

    1) The top 5% wage earners pay 58% of ALL taxes.
    2) The bottom 55% of wage earners - not only pay ZERO income tax - but get more back then they paid in.

    Try drinking less Kool-Aid.
     
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    That statement doesnt matter because Corps dont pay it anyway. So complaining about that is like complaining about the price of the shirt you just stole
     
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    Why ? If they're making billions what difference does it make ? The stockholders make 13% instead of 15%.
     
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    What do you think is going to happen when we finally get to the point we can no longer borrow money? What do you think will happen if the world currency changes from the dollar to another currency? I'm not saying to just cut them off. I'm saying we need to make it a little uncomfortable. Currently with wic you can only buy certain items. With food stamps you can buy anything and everything. It is just crazy. If you are on food stamps, you should only be buying what is necessary to survive. It does not need to provide you with what ever you want as long as it is not a hot food item. When I'm tight on money I have to spend wisely while someone on food stamps should be allowed to buy what ever they want? Why is it I'm in line and I'm buying bargain food and the person in front of me has food stamps and is buying luxury items?
     

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