We need illeagle aliens

[OCA]

Through all your diatribe you've puked out thus far, you've over looked ONE SIMPLE FACT, the illegals you're refering to, you sound like they somehow have a "right" to be here in the first place, and they DON'T! THEY ARE FUCKING CRIMINALS! They have entered this country ILLEGALY.

*I* don't owe them anything.

*YOU* don't owe them anything.

*AMERICA* doesn't owe them anything.

If times are rough in their own country, then that's their damn problem. THAT DOES NOT GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO BRING THEIR PROBLEMS HERE!!! They are COSTING ME MONEY. They are a BLIGHT, a PROBLEM.

How should we solve it? Stopping the influx is surely the thing to do, RIGHT NOW! Another good idea might be to annex Mexico. I'm for that idea. Open the fucking border right up... BOTH WAYS. Make AMERICAN law, MEXICAN law. Make OUR President THEIR President.

In any case, any way you look at it, the way things are now, America is hurting bad because of all the wetbacks. Something has to be done.

Pale times were rough in Ireland when all the Irish came over, same for the Italians, same for the Germans etc. etc., wanna know what the difference is between them and Latinos? Yep, they are white, its an anti-latino thing thats been around forever just below the surface and now racists such as Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs are using 9/11 as their excuse to crackdown on the vile brown horde. I'll guaranfuckingtee you that if this were a problem with French Canadians you wouldn't hear two damn words about it. Hell, illegals have been receiving these benefits that so many love to bitch about and have been coming over the border for a century or more now, all of a sudden its a problem?

 

[OCA]

Bottom line to this thread, we do NOT need illegal aliens.

Pale my friend I know you are logical, i'm putting a task before you since in Reno you aren't but about 4 hours from this area.....go to the San Joaquin Valley, you know Stockton, Modesto etc. etc. and ask the farmers and ranchers there if the labor and services provided by illegal workers is neccessary and also if the illegals could readily be replaced by native born(legal) Americans whom so many claim are being displaced by illegals, ask the ranchers where these legal workers are and if they could afford to pay them what they would ask including benefits.

Report back on your findings my friend

 

[archangel]

Pale my friend I know you are logical, i'm putting a task before you since in Reno you aren't but about 4 hours from this area.....go to the San Joaquin Valley, you know Stockton, Modesto etc. etc. and ask the farmers and ranchers there if the labor and services provided by illegal workers is neccessary and also if the illegals could readily be replaced by native born(legal) Americans whom so many claim are being displaced by illegals, ask the ranchers where these legal workers are and if they could afford to pay them what they would ask including benefits.

Report back on your findings my friend

The temporary work card issued by INS for legal workers to come to the US to work the farms has been going on for some time now...I have absolutely no problem with 'legal' workers continuing with this program...I do have a problem with 'illegal' workers!
I think it would be fair to pay the 'legal workers' say $8.50 per hour plus limited medical benefits...the farmers could still turn a profit 'Legal workers' are covered by workers compensation also!
These workers just work the crops during the season and return home to Mexico when the harvest is completed...I do have a problem with the construction trades hiring illegal workers for diminished pay and no benefits...taking jobs from many US residents who are more than willing to work this trade! This also applies to numerous jobs being insourced for cheap labor and no benefits...some are highly technical and prodution jobs(although most have been outsourced)

 

[left alone]

We have about 10% of our employees that are probably ilegles. Sure they have the proper documents but? We've hired them because at the time THERE WERE NO ONE ELSE. The cheapest one we have makes $12.00 and the most expensive one costs $18.00. In 25 years they probably qualify as THE BEST EMPLOYEES I'VE EVER HAD.
Never late, almost never absent, even though I'd be happy with a guy giving me a good solid 85% of his best effort these guys give me 100% every day.
I've got jobs now for people that want them, the problem is finding a guy that will do his job without being baby sat.

 

[left alone]

Its refreshing to hear someone that actually knows what he's talking about and not just rephrasing something he's heard or read.
I'm not Hispanic, Oriental, Black or White, I'm an American. If the American workers can get up and start trying to compete there will be plenty of jobs for them. Sad to say its getting where thats not the case. Its easier to try and hold back those that do. Hard work or the lack of it has its just rewards.
I'm finished with this subject now.

 

[Gunny]

If the ilegles are not paying taxes or working under the table whose fault it it. Theirs or their employers? If they get a sub-standard wage whose fault is it? Theirs or their employeers?

Both. The employer's crime does not lessen the illegal immigrant's crime.

Do some of them take advantage of our system? Sure. Thats the stupid system we developed. Are their home grown dead beats doing the same thing? Sure

Except that home grown deadbeats are legal citizens and a completely separate issue that is unsatisfactorily addressed.

Good for one, good for all. You can't legislate honestly or morality. Dead beats are dead beats and I don't care where their born.
You really think that if they ALL left your lives would somehow be better? I hope you never find that out.
Need more money? Go back to school, get a better job or take a chance and start your own business. Just quit blaming your sorry plight on others.

Twisted "logic," if I dare call it that. You completely ignore the facts. Illegal immigrants are here ILLEGALLY. They are not US citizens and they deserve NO rights.

When my "sorry plight" as you choose to call it is disagreeing with supporting a social infrastructure being undermined by those who use it yet contribute nothing, then I have a legitimate bitch.

The fact that you try and muddy the water with "deadbeats are deadbeats" is nothing more than dishonest deflection. We should have to deal with our deadbeats. Not anyone else's.

 

[Just a guy]

I've heard that immigrants from wherever to wherever are always showing up above average in crimestats. I haven't found anything written on the matter, but it would be kind of intresting. Has anyone here? (This messageboard is full off fact finders).

 

[007]

Pale times were rough in Ireland when all the Irish came over, same for the Italians, same for the Germans etc. etc., wanna know what the difference is between them and Latinos? Yep, they are white, its an anti-latino thing thats been around forever just below the surface and now racists such as Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs are using 9/11 as their excuse to crackdown on the vile brown horde. I'll guaranfuckingtee you that if this were a problem with French Canadians you wouldn't hear two damn words about it. Hell, illegals have been receiving these benefits that so many love to bitch about and have been coming over the border for a century or more now, all of a sudden its a problem?

I know we disagree on this issue fundamentally pard, but there's no denying that with the horde of illegals into America, it's not all people just looking for a job. There's no loads, gangsters and thugs too. Plenty of them. And they bring the Mexican mafia and gang warfare up here with them, to sell their drugs, guns, whores, intimidate, or whatever.

This country was a very much different place two hundred years ago. There was enough land and resources for everyone and then some. Things have changed since then. There ISN'T enough land and resources for everyone. The illegals are hurting us financially. There's volumes of proof to that, some of which I've posted in this thread. Whatever gain there may be to illegals working here, is offset as cost to taxpayers as debt ten fold. And todays illegals don't just want to pick cabage, no, they want the better jobs. Jobs that Americans WILL do. Construction being probably the most sought after. But that's not the issue that gripes me about the whole situation. There are more Mexicans sneaking into America now than ever before, and in my opinion, each and every one of them is a criminal. It - is - irrelevant WHY they're here. That fact is, they're here illegaly. That gripes the shit out of me. Frankly, I don't have a problem with any darn one of them that comes here LEGALY. You want a job? Fine. I wish you luck. I also have a problem with Mexico itself, and that piece of shit president of theirs V. Fox. He's pretty much ENCOURAGED people to jump our border illegaly. That to me is like him spitting in my face, if that's all the more regard he has for America and it's laws. Well fuck him too, and all the people that come here illegaly.

So what I like to ask is, what if the shoe was on the other foot? What if it was a tidal wave of illegals entering Mexico from America? You think we'd get a warm reception in Mexico if we did that? Not freaking hardly my friend. They'd be sick of it in a month, and probably put THEIR ARMY on the border.

I just see this situation with Mexico and it's illegals as a no win situation for America. Unless per say we ANNEXED Mexico.

 

[007]

I've heard that immigrants from wherever to wherever are always showing up above average in crimestats. I haven't found anything written on the matter, but it would be kind of intresting. Has anyone here? (This messageboard is full off fact finders).

Here.... http://www.google.com/

Show some ambition. Look for yourself.

 

[Gunny]

I note some SERIOUS selectivity in who he responds to.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

Most of the problems associated with illegals are not actually problems with immigration, per se...and they wouldn't be solved if every illegal filled out all the forms and paid his $500 or whatever for citizenship. No, they are problems with socialism. Illegals are bankrupting social(ist) security, government schools, welfare, medicaid, etc. The correct answer is to abolish those government services and let the free market decide how to handle them.

 

[Hobbit]

Most of the problems associated with illegals are not actually problems with immigration, per se...and they wouldn't be solved if every illegal filled out all the forms and paid his $500 or whatever for citizenship. No, they are problems with socialism. Illegals are bankrupting social(ist) security, government schools, welfare, medicaid, etc. The correct answer is to abolish those government services and let the free market decide how to handle them.

While I'm all for this, I think the immediate problems are that they have a high incidence of crime (even if you don't count the crime of entering the country illegally) and they don't pay taxes. Coincidentally, if the Fair Tax was enacted, illegals would pay taxes...

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

The fair tax is a consumption tax, isn't it? Like 24% or something? Why do I get the feeling that this would just feed a black market economy and lead to more stealing. I'd rather eliminate the things that taxes are used to pay for, making nearly all of the taxes unnecessary. If that happened, people could use part of their newfound wealth to buy those nifty GPS trackers for their cars, and governments could maybe have enough money to enforce the one thing that gives it a real reason to exist-- property rights.