We Need a Whole New Way of Thinking About Government

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Foxfyre, Jan 5, 2011.

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  1. The USA requires a bigger more authoritarian government.

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  2. Government should take care of the poor.

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  3. The rich should be required to support the poor.

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  4. The government should provide the general welfare.

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  5. Federal and State Government invite corruption when it dispenses charity.

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  6. Government should not do anything the private sector does better.

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  7. Government is too big, too intrusive, too expensive.

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  8. The Federal Government should secure our rights and then leave us alone.

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  9. None of the above. I'll explain in my post.

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  1. Foxfyre
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    The 112th Congress was sworn in this morning amidst hope that a new crop of visionary conservatives can make a difference along with dismay that a new crop of visionary conservatives occupies many new seats in the House and Senate.

    The die has been cast. Those new Conservative members will be able to turn the country in a new fiscally responsible direction with more personal accountability; or they will cave in to the status quo of more and bigger and more powerful, intrusive government.

    How do you want it to go? Please include at least some basic reason for your choice that is more than an insult toward another person or group.

    The basic crisis seems to be summarized in this article in Forbes today:

    (emphasis mine)

     
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    Too late:

    'Tea party' freshmen embrace status quo - latimes.com

    Two examples from the article:

     
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    No we need to go back to the old way of thinking about government.

    We need to see government as George Washington did.

    Government is an odious entity, one that should be seen as a necessary evil to be tolerated for the greater good of protecting individual freedom.
     
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    Okay so this involves fund raisers and lobbyists, both of which certainly factor into the debate. These are the very least of our problem however. Fund raisers are a necessity for elections. Lobbyists are simply another way of petititioning the government.

    My approach to government is to limit its scope and authority which in itself will reduce the need for fund raisers and will reduce the influence of lobbyists.
     
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    So wait a minute, you are worried about there being no change in Washington but you don't care if the people you want to bring change to Washington are in the pockets of the same people who want to keep the status quo? What?

    Also, if you reduce government scope and authority on a federal level and just give more power to the states, then lobbyists will just merely focus on state houses, senates, and governors more. Nothing you are proposing will actually reduce the influence of lobbyists.

    So yes or no question, do you have a problem with all these "tea party" candidates putting lobbyists in essential roles and accepting various lobbyists help in the form of cash and or gifts?
     
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    Oh, I thought this was about federal government??
     
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    I don't care about fund raisers. And I don't worry about lobbyists. I do have concern that government will become ever biggers, more intrusive, less responsive, and more costly when we are already at the brink of bankruptcy.

    Fund raisers don't cost me a dime. And they will be even less of a factor if people aren't able to buy favors, disbursements from the treasury, or influence by participating in them. How about we make it more difficult to be rewarded for attempts to buy favor from an elected official?

    Lobbyists don't cost me a dime--it's their success in persuading our elected leaders to fork over the people's money that is the problem.

    How about we reduce our elected leaders' ability to do that?
     
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    All Volunteer Government Party (AVGP)
     
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    So that's a no. You don't care if the lobbyists are paying off your congressmen or congresswomen, ensuring that their business interests of who they are representing is put before you as long as your congressmen or congresswomen throws you a bone by being "fiscally conservative". Such thinking will come back to haunt us in the long run. In fact, this is the same thinking from 1994 and the early half of the 2000's that propelled "fiscal conservatives" into office who did absolutely nothing about the budget or debt.
     
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    Maybe if I type REEEEEALLY SLOW you might not be so obtuse about what I say?

    I said I don't care about fund raisers.

    I was clear that I don't want fund raisers to have ability to buy favors from our elected leaders.

    I said I don't care about lobbyists.

    I was clear that I don't want lobbyists to have ability to buy favors from our elected leaders.

    I suggested we think differently about government so that these things are no longer the case.

    Honestly, I think a third grader should be able to grasp that concept????? Am I wrong about that?

    What part of thinking differently about government rather than the same old same old criticisms don't you understand?
     

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