We must restore constitutional government

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    The people tasked with enforcing our laws are the same people violating our most important laws....

    Beyond the controversial ways stingray technology works, the secrecy and deception law enforcement agencies use to cloak their use of the devices is also troubling. Law enforcement agencies around the country have routinely used the devices without obtaining a warrant from judges. In cases where they did obtain a warrant, they often deceived judges about the nature of the technology they planned to use. Instead of telling judges that they intended to use a stingray or cell site simulator, they have often mischaracterized the technology, describing it as a pen register device instead.

    Hacker Lexicon: Stingrays, the Spy Tool the Government Tried, and Failed, to Hide
     
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    “We must restore constitutional government”

    Such is the ignorant nonsense of the TPM and others on the ridiculous right.

    The United States is currently functioning under Constitutional government, nothing needs to be ‘restored’ – the notion is moronic, baseless idiocy.

    The Federal government is functioning as intended by the Founding Generation: a Constitutional Republic whose citizens are subject solely to the rule of law, not men – as men are incapable of ruling justly.

    A Federal government afforded by the Constitution powers both expressed and implied (McCulloch v. Maryland (1819)).

    A Federal government whose laws are supreme, where the Supreme Court determines what the Constitution means, as authorized by the doctrine of Judicial Review and Articles III and VI of the Constitution, and where rulings by the Supreme Court become the law of the land, binding on the states and local jurisdictions, who have no ‘right’ to ‘nullify’ or ‘ignore’ Federal law or the rulings of Federal courts (Cooper v. Aaron (1958)).

    That conservatives, libertarians, and members of the TPM disagree with Supreme Court decisions because those rulings might conflict with errant, wrongheaded conservative dogma is of no consequence and devoid of merit.
     
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    Arguably not since 1803, but certainly not since the 1860s.

    All states need to reassert their authority under the 10th Amendment.
     
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    Lol, nearly every constitutional professor in this country would disagree with you., You don't know shit about the constitution! The president has had executive power since washington as our government has three equal branches of government. What this means is the president also has some power.

    You honestly think the president shouldn't have power? lol The federal government always had power and that is why we gave up on the original bs of everything being at the state level.

    Your idea of constitutional government is one where the corporate sector runs everything without regulations or human rights. It is ugly and it is bs.
     
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    Indeed - those that laud over us are generally the biggest law-breakers in the United States. Look no farther than the rotten, no-good Clintons.
     
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    The liberterian idea of constitutional government is a government that is powerless to do the will of the people and does only shit that they want. Liberterians and far right conservatives are a bunch of fascist assholes. Simply meaning that they think by the people means that the government should be so limited that the people shouldn't be able to elect a government that does more then sit on its dick.
     
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    Considering the poor quality of some "constitutional professors" - pffft. Who cares?

    Oh, BTW. The branches are no longer equal.
     
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    So wiretapping without a warrant is "constitutional" in your mind? :cuckoo:

    Proof that CCJ has no idea what the Constitution is and that he's obviously never read it.
     
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    Our government violates the Constitution routinely at every level. Sure, a lot of what they do can be twisted into being "Constitutional" but they clearly DO violate the original intent that our founders laid out, and they do it often. It's just that over the years, those who have sought to subvert it have found ways to chip away at it, change people's minds about what things mean, convince people that it's supposed to be "flexible" and applicable to "the times". They create crises to exploit and then use fear to get the people to give up a little of their freedom voluntarily.
    The founders gave us the tools we need to stop it but we loaned those tools out to the enemy and now the enemy is using them to enslave us all, little by little. And we'll never get them back.
     
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