We must go back to a fairer early 20th century system of doing things

[ScienceRocks]

I'm watching the Men that built America on the history channel. I'll tell you the model for remaining number one is in the late 19th century and early 20th century when a man could become as powerful as hell pleased.

Why is it good for innovation? Simply because under this system a man would work really fucking hard to come up with new idea's and drive our nation forward. This is why we had electricity, light bulbs, trains, rail-tracks, oil, steel, cars, trucks, trains, etc. Without a strong reason to innovate why would anyone want to invite and create wealth for our nation? Today China is kicking our ass for just this reason! Now I'll admit that workers deserve high working standards and fair pay. Again fair pay is what the market rates it at...This is a law of economics!

If we wish to remain the most powerful economic engine on earth. We're going to have to relearn how and why we became such in the first place. The rich must want to invest not only within our national interest but within theirs. Yes, there's nothing what so ever wrong with a man becoming filthy fucking rich for good idea's.

This is something we learn or die on. I agree that the workers deserves a clean work place with a fair market place wage. We can agree on that?

 

[konradv]

I'm watching the Men that built America on the history channel. I'll tell you the model for remaining number one is in the late 19th century and early 20th century when a man could become as powerful as hell pleased.

Why is it good for innovation? Simply because under this system a man would work really fucking hard to come up with new idea's and drive our nation forward. This is why we had electricity, light bulbs, trains, rail-tracks, oil, steel, cars, trucks, trains, etc. Without a strong reason to innovate why would anyone want to invite and create wealth for our nation? Today China is kicking our ass for just this reason! Now I'll admit that workers deserve high working standards and fair pay. Again fair pay is what the market rates it at...This is a law of economics!

If we wish to remain the most powerful economic engine on earth. We're going to have to relearn how and why we became such in the first place. The rich must want to invest not only within our national interest but within theirs. Yes, there's nothing what so ever wrong with a man becoming filthy fucking rich for good idea's.

This is something we learn or die on. I agree that the workers deserves a clean work place with a fair market place wage. We can agree on that?

Gates and Jobs managed to do just fine. There's no need to go back to keeping the majority down, just so they could have a little extra. Libertarians always say you only have to work harder and improve yourself, totally disregarding those who would put up barriers so that won't happen, if they can.

 

[Oldguy]

Yeah...going back to the days of the Robber Baron's is JUST what we need to do. Screw the workers, the environment and poor people.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The massive resources of space is the only way we can bring up all of humanity to our standards. This takes massive capital....A system of innovation and great wealth is necessary to get at it.

It takes money to make a money(a lot more money) You on the left don't want to fuck up the planet? well, to sustain human advancement and have high standards we must tap our solar system.

 

[Old Rocks]

I have actually lived for short times as they did prior to WW1. No thank you. Ever use and outhouse at -20 degrees? And experiance not to be missed.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We must go back to a fairer early 20th century system of doing things

We must not and we can not – reactionaryism is a failed dogma, the refuge of cowards and tyrants.

 

[Glensather]

The massive resources of space is the only way we can bring up all of humanity to our standards. This takes massive capital....A system of innovation and great wealth is necessary to get at it.

It takes money to make a money(a lot more money) You on the left don't want to fuck up the planet? well, to sustain human advancement and have high standards we must tap our solar system.

You've heard of Planetary Resources? That's a step in the right direction.

 

[sfcalifornia]

I'm watching the Men that built America on the history channel. I'll tell you the model for remaining number one is in the late 19th century and early 20th century when a man could become as powerful as hell pleased.

Why is it good for innovation? Simply because under this system a man would work really fucking hard to come up with new idea's and drive our nation forward. This is why we had electricity, light bulbs, trains, rail-tracks, oil, steel, cars, trucks, trains, etc. Without a strong reason to innovate why would anyone want to invite and create wealth for our nation? Today China is kicking our ass for just this reason! Now I'll admit that workers deserve high working standards and fair pay. Again fair pay is what the market rates it at...This is a law of economics!

If we wish to remain the most powerful economic engine on earth. We're going to have to relearn how and why we became such in the first place. The rich must want to invest not only within our national interest but within theirs. Yes, there's nothing what so ever wrong with a man becoming filthy fucking rich for good idea's.

This is something we learn or die on. I agree that the workers deserves a clean work place with a fair market place wage. We can agree on that?

The market didn't do a very good job rating fair pay during the late 19th/early 20th century which is partly the reason why unions were born.

What was so fair about the early 20th? Little or no capital gains tax?

 

[ABikerSailor]

I'm watching the Men that built America on the history channel. I'll tell you the model for remaining number one is in the late 19th century and early 20th century when a man could become as powerful as hell pleased.

Why is it good for innovation? Simply because under this system a man would work really fucking hard to come up with new idea's and drive our nation forward. This is why we had electricity, light bulbs, trains, rail-tracks, oil, steel, cars, trucks, trains, etc. Without a strong reason to innovate why would anyone want to invite and create wealth for our nation? Today China is kicking our ass for just this reason! Now I'll admit that workers deserve high working standards and fair pay. Again fair pay is what the market rates it at...This is a law of economics!

If we wish to remain the most powerful economic engine on earth. We're going to have to relearn how and why we became such in the first place. The rich must want to invest not only within our national interest but within theirs. Yes, there's nothing what so ever wrong with a man becoming filthy fucking rich for good idea's.

This is something we learn or die on. I agree that the workers deserves a clean work place with a fair market place wage. We can agree on that?

Yeah, and while you were watching that program, did you happen to catch what Henry Ford did? After fighting tooth and nail to be given permission to build his cars, he came up with the assembly line and paid workers a LIVING WAGE of 5 bucks/day, while other car makers were paying their workers only 2 bucks/day.

Henry Ford helped to create the middle class by doing that, and also managed to help drive the economy as his workers were finally able to not only survive, but save up and buy other products (like his cars) as well.

Too bad Wal-Mart and other large corporations didn't feel that way. I mean, you have to work there for 6 years to get from minimum wage up to around 11.50, which means that even after 6 years of good work and steady raises, you still only make around 1800/mo.

 

[Samson]

I'm watching the Men that built America on the history channel. I'll tell you the model for remaining number one is in the late 19th century and early 20th century when a man could become as powerful as hell pleased.

Why is it good for innovation?



Simply because under this system a man would work really fucking hard to come up with new idea's and drive our nation forward.

SPOILER ALERT:



You have not gotten to the episode where Henry Ford had to go to court to be able to build his own cars.

 

[Samson]

I'm watching the Men that built America on the history channel. I'll tell you the model for remaining number one is in the late 19th century and early 20th century when a man could become as powerful as hell pleased.

Why is it good for innovation? Simply because under this system a man would work really fucking hard to come up with new idea's and drive our nation forward. This is why we had electricity, light bulbs, trains, rail-tracks, oil, steel, cars, trucks, trains, etc. Without a strong reason to innovate why would anyone want to invite and create wealth for our nation? Today China is kicking our ass for just this reason! Now I'll admit that workers deserve high working standards and fair pay. Again fair pay is what the market rates it at...This is a law of economics!

If we wish to remain the most powerful economic engine on earth. We're going to have to relearn how and why we became such in the first place. The rich must want to invest not only within our national interest but within theirs. Yes, there's nothing what so ever wrong with a man becoming filthy fucking rich for good idea's.

This is something we learn or die on. I agree that the workers deserves a clean work place with a fair market place wage. We can agree on that?

The market didn't do a very good job rating fair pay during the late 19th/early 20th century which is partly the reason why unions were born.

What was so fair about the early 20th? Little or no capital gains tax?

It was a good time to be rich.

Sadly, almost everyone was poor.

 

[Moonglow]

I'm watching the Men that built America on the history channel. I'll tell you the model for remaining number one is in the late 19th century and early 20th century when a man could become as powerful as hell pleased.

Why is it good for innovation? Simply because under this system a man would work really fucking hard to come up with new idea's and drive our nation forward. This is why we had electricity, light bulbs, trains, rail-tracks, oil, steel, cars, trucks, trains, etc. Without a strong reason to innovate why would anyone want to invite and create wealth for our nation? Today China is kicking our ass for just this reason! Now I'll admit that workers deserve high working standards and fair pay. Again fair pay is what the market rates it at...This is a law of economics!

If we wish to remain the most powerful economic engine on earth. We're going to have to relearn how and why we became such in the first place. The rich must want to invest not only within our national interest but within theirs. Yes, there's nothing what so ever wrong with a man becoming filthy fucking rich for good idea's.

This is something we learn or die on. I agree that the workers deserves a clean work place with a fair market place wage. We can agree on that?

Yeah, and while you were watching that program, did you happen to catch what Henry Ford did? After fighting tooth and nail to be given permission to build his cars, he came up with the assembly line and paid workers a LIVING WAGE of 5 bucks/day, while other car makers were paying their workers only 2 bucks/day.

Henry Ford helped to create the middle class by doing that, and also managed to help drive the economy as his workers were finally able to not only survive, but save up and buy other products (like his cars) as well.

Too bad Wal-Mart and other large corporations didn't feel that way. I mean, you have to work there for 6 years to get from minimum wage up to around 11.50, which means that even after 6 years of good work and steady raises, you still only make around 1800/mo.

and Ford was a socialists.

 

[Darkwind]

I'm watching the Men that built America on the history channel. I'll tell you the model for remaining number one is in the late 19th century and early 20th century when a man could become as powerful as hell pleased.

Why is it good for innovation? Simply because under this system a man would work really fucking hard to come up with new idea's and drive our nation forward. This is why we had electricity, light bulbs, trains, rail-tracks, oil, steel, cars, trucks, trains, etc. Without a strong reason to innovate why would anyone want to invite and create wealth for our nation? Today China is kicking our ass for just this reason! Now I'll admit that workers deserve high working standards and fair pay. Again fair pay is what the market rates it at...This is a law of economics!

If we wish to remain the most powerful economic engine on earth. We're going to have to relearn how and why we became such in the first place. The rich must want to invest not only within our national interest but within theirs. Yes, there's nothing what so ever wrong with a man becoming filthy fucking rich for good idea's.

This is something we learn or die on. I agree that the workers deserves a clean work place with a fair market place wage. We can agree on that?

Gates and Jobs managed to do just fine. There's no need to go back to keeping the majority down, just so they could have a little extra. Libertarians always say you only have to work harder and improve yourself, totally disregarding those who would put up barriers so that won't happen, if they can.

The only entity placing barriers to prosperity is the government. It is not surprising that you and the rest don't get the gist of the OP.

No where did he say he wanted to go back to the days when labor was a dead end with little hope of escape.

I'm sure that if the people here actually pulled their heads out of there talking points, they'd come to realize what is really being said here.

 

[ScienceRocks]

These three men did more to help the world than every member at USMB combined. We need more of them.

 

[sfcalifornia]

I'm watching the Men that built America on the history channel. I'll tell you the model for remaining number one is in the late 19th century and early 20th century when a man could become as powerful as hell pleased.

Why is it good for innovation? Simply because under this system a man would work really fucking hard to come up with new idea's and drive our nation forward. This is why we had electricity, light bulbs, trains, rail-tracks, oil, steel, cars, trucks, trains, etc. Without a strong reason to innovate why would anyone want to invite and create wealth for our nation? Today China is kicking our ass for just this reason! Now I'll admit that workers deserve high working standards and fair pay. Again fair pay is what the market rates it at...This is a law of economics!

If we wish to remain the most powerful economic engine on earth. We're going to have to relearn how and why we became such in the first place. The rich must want to invest not only within our national interest but within theirs. Yes, there's nothing what so ever wrong with a man becoming filthy fucking rich for good idea's.

This is something we learn or die on. I agree that the workers deserves a clean work place with a fair market place wage. We can agree on that?

Gates and Jobs managed to do just fine. There's no need to go back to keeping the majority down, just so they could have a little extra. Libertarians always say you only have to work harder and improve yourself, totally disregarding those who would put up barriers so that won't happen, if they can.

The only entity placing barriers to prosperity is the government. It is not surprising that you and the rest don't get the gist of the OP.

No where did he say he wanted to go back to the days when labor was a dead end with little hope of escape.

I'm sure that if the people here actually pulled their heads out of there talking points, they'd come to realize what is really being said here.

Specifically which barriers set by government are affecting prosperity? With few exceptions, any law the government set during these times was a reaction to the private sector ripping off the public. The private sector brought regulation down upon themselves.

 

[ScienceRocks]

We wouldn't have
Oil
Electricy
light bulbs
cars
trucks
Transcontinental rail-road
Large scale steel

All this lined up to make this country what it was. We wouldn't be the power that we're if it wasn't for these men. We must be a nation that allows for great men to raise up and advance our society.

 

[Darkwind]

Gates and Jobs managed to do just fine. There's no need to go back to keeping the majority down, just so they could have a little extra. Libertarians always say you only have to work harder and improve yourself, totally disregarding those who would put up barriers so that won't happen, if they can.

The only entity placing barriers to prosperity is the government. It is not surprising that you and the rest don't get the gist of the OP.

No where did he say he wanted to go back to the days when labor was a dead end with little hope of escape.

I'm sure that if the people here actually pulled their heads out of there talking points, they'd come to realize what is really being said here.

Specifically which barriers set by government are affecting prosperity? With few exceptions, any law the government set during these times was a reaction to the private sector ripping off the public. The private sector brought regulation down upon themselves.

You seem to have missed the entire premise of the thread.

The discussion is NOT about labor or anything other than innovation. Understand that yet?

 

[sfcalifornia]

The only entity placing barriers to prosperity is the government. It is not surprising that you and the rest don't get the gist of the OP.

No where did he say he wanted to go back to the days when labor was a dead end with little hope of escape.

I'm sure that if the people here actually pulled their heads out of there talking points, they'd come to realize what is really being said here.

Specifically which barriers set by government are affecting prosperity? With few exceptions, any law the government set during these times was a reaction to the private sector ripping off the public. The private sector brought regulation down upon themselves.

You seem to have missed the entire premise of the thread.

The discussion is NOT about labor or anything other than innovation. Understand that yet?

You didn't answer the question: Specifically which barriers set by government are affecting prosperity?

 

[OKTexas]

I'm watching the Men that built America on the history channel. I'll tell you the model for remaining number one is in the late 19th century and early 20th century when a man could become as powerful as hell pleased.

Why is it good for innovation? Simply because under this system a man would work really fucking hard to come up with new idea's and drive our nation forward. This is why we had electricity, light bulbs, trains, rail-tracks, oil, steel, cars, trucks, trains, etc. Without a strong reason to innovate why would anyone want to invite and create wealth for our nation? Today China is kicking our ass for just this reason! Now I'll admit that workers deserve high working standards and fair pay. Again fair pay is what the market rates it at...This is a law of economics!

If we wish to remain the most powerful economic engine on earth. We're going to have to relearn how and why we became such in the first place. The rich must want to invest not only within our national interest but within theirs. Yes, there's nothing what so ever wrong with a man becoming filthy fucking rich for good idea's.

This is something we learn or die on. I agree that the workers deserves a clean work place with a fair market place wage. We can agree on that?

Gates and Jobs managed to do just fine. There's no need to go back to keeping the majority down, just so they could have a little extra. Libertarians always say you only have to work harder and improve yourself, totally disregarding those who would put up barriers so that won't happen, if they can.

The only one putting effective barriers is the government, try starting a manufacturing business and see how many feet of regulations you have to comply with. Usually it's not worth the effort, just build a factory in another country. Our loss of manufacturing is why we have a declining middle class, service and retail jobs don't pay as well. So as long as 70% of our GDP comes from consumption, get a custom to what we have now. BTW Jobs does not manufacture in the US.

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

I would agree that a modern industrial era driven by consumer need not market speculators is a very attractive direction.