We find the defendant Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Not Guilty

[Contumacious]

Obama's decision to try KSM in a Criminal Court is perilous at best and at worst just plain fucking stupid, one of the worst decisions in human history

Bullshit.


Federal Court , Military Tribunal - it doesn't matter - they are equally corrupt. The "judge" will manipulate the evidence and he will be found guilty. Ask Martha Stewart - if they were able to railroad her they can railroad anybody.

He is an "islamofascist" so there is no presumption of innocence nor is he going to get a jury of his peers.


The powers-that-be have already stated that after the trial he will be classified as an enemy combatant and will spend the rest of his life imprisoned.

So what's your major malfunction?!?!?!?!?!?

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KSM has already PLEADED GUILTY AND ASKED TO BE EXECUTED!

Why are we trying him?

He also pleaded guilty to murdering Jimmy Carter and to blowing up the Panama Canal. If you squeeze a guys' nuts he will confess to anything.

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[CrusaderFrank]

So as I read the drooling ramblings of the Leftists, it's OK to waterboard people as long as you don't use their confessions against them in a Criminal Court.

Is this the Brave New World of Criminal Justice under the Muslim Marxists? There's no longer a presumption of innocence and you can coerce confessions, just as long as you use other evidence against them in a court.

Libruls are terrorists, not a dimes worth of difference between what the Jihadists wants to accomplish and what's on the Libruls "To Do" list

 

[Contumacious]

So as I read the drooling ramblings of the RELIGIOUS conservatives , it's OK to squeeze a guys nuts and thereafter use his confession against him in a Criminal Court.


Hallelujah.

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[CrusaderFrank]

So as I read the drooling ramblings of the RELIGIOUS conservatives , it's OK to squeeze a guys nuts and thereafter use his confession against him in a Criminal Court.


Hallelujah.

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KSM is a terrorist. Got that, Sparky? He's not a Criminal.

 

[Father Time]

So as I read the drooling ramblings of the RELIGIOUS conservatives , it's OK to squeeze a guys nuts and thereafter use his confession against him in a Criminal Court.


Hallelujah.

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KSM is a terrorist. Got that, Sparky? He's not a Criminal.

*headsmack*

If you're a terrorist you're also a criminal

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So as I read the drooling ramblings of the RELIGIOUS conservatives , it's OK to squeeze a guys nuts and thereafter use his confession against him in a Criminal Court.


Hallelujah.

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KSM is a terrorist. Got that, Sparky? He's not a Criminal.

*headsmack*

If you're a terrorist you're also a criminal

You can't smack people in your straight jacket, Dahmner Boy.

Libruls want the Marines to read Jihadists their Miranda warning before returning fire.

Terrific

 

[Father Time]

KSM is a terrorist. Got that, Sparky? He's not a Criminal.

*headsmack*

If you're a terrorist you're also a criminal

You can't smack people in your straight jacket, Dahmner Boy.

Libruls want the Marines to read Jihadists their Miranda warning before returning fire.

Terrific

A. headsmack doesn't refer to smacking other people
B. You don't read Miranda rights to enemy soldiers it refers to captured criminals
You fail.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

*headsmack*

If you're a terrorist you're also a criminal

You can't smack people in your straight jacket, Dahmner Boy.

Libruls want the Marines to read Jihadists their Miranda warning before returning fire.

Terrific

A. headsmack doesn't refer to smacking other people
B. You don't read Miranda rights to enemy soldiers it refers to captured criminals
You fail.

You seem confused, it's either the Thorazine or the lobotomy.

Enemy soldiers wear uniforms right? What uniform was your boy KSM wearing at the time of his arrest?

 

[Ravi]

So as I read the drooling ramblings of the RELIGIOUS conservatives , it's OK to squeeze a guys nuts and thereafter use his confession against him in a Criminal Court.


Hallelujah.

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KSM is a terrorist. Got that, Sparky? He's not a Criminal.

How do you know he's a terrorist?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you but do not transgress. Surely Allah loves not the aggressors. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out of where they drove you out, and persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it; so if they fight you, slay them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is only for Allah. But if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the wrongdoers. The sacred month for the sacred month, and retaliation in sacred things. Whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and keep your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. - 2:190-194

...

There is no compulsion in religion -- the right way is indeed clearly distinct from error. So whoever disbelieves in the devil and believes in Allah, he indeed lays hold on the firmest handle which shall never break. And Allah is Hearing, Knowing. Allah is the Friend of those who believe -- He brings them out of darkness into light. And those who disbelieve, their friends are the devils who take them out of light into darkness. They are the companions of the Fire; therein they abide. - 2:256-257​

Sorry -- no contradictions here, boss.

Now I'm confused again.

About what? The first passage enjoins us to fight against aggressors to reclaim any rights or property we lost to them. It's made clear throughout the ayat that those "who attack [us]" are to be attacked. Where is the commandment to wantonly slaughter all unbelievers? Where are we told to "convert or kill"? The second passage forbids compulsion in religion. What disparity do you see? Do you consider attacking aggressors inconsistent with religious freedom? If so, why?

It makes more sense and is clear when it is presented this

190. And fight in the Way of Allâh[] those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihâd, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)].

191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah[] is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah),[] unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

192. But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

194. The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of Equality (Qisâs). Then whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Allâh, and know that Allâh is with Al-Muttaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2) .

195. And spend in the Cause of Allâh (i.e. Jihâd of all kinds, etc.) and do not throw yourselves into destruction (by not spending your wealth in the Cause of Allâh), and do good. Truly, Allâh loves Al-Muhsinûn[] (the good-doers).

 

[Kalam]

It makes more sense and is clear when it is presented this

No, I'm afraid false takfiri additions and bid'ah only obfuscate the meaning.

 

[Kalam]

We've seen incontrovertible proof that the translation you prefer contains lies, yet you continue to use it. I wonder why that is?

 

[Yurt]

Second, KSM was never read his Miranda Warning! All Incriminating statements ARE INADMISSIBLE! You cannot use his confession against him!! So Bush fucked up

Third, KSM never had an attorney present with him at any point in his captivity and was denied his basic Constitutional rights! Wait a second, he's a terrorist and HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!

So Bush fucked up


Fourth, irrespective of whether waterboarding is torture, his statements were obtained under duress, and again inadmissible and would further taint a juries view of the entire government case against the defendant.

So Bush fucked up


Fifth, How can you possibly use covert intel against him? He has a right to access NSA and CIA material under Discovery.

So Bush fucked up


Sixth, what are the charges against him? The terrorists crashed 2 fully loaded US Commercial airliners into 2 fully occupied towers of the WTC intending to toppled the fully loaded towers on to a bustling lower Manhattan at rush hour. Will it be 3,000 counts of murder and 100,000 counts of attempted murder?

Sounds fair


So...in the end Bush fucked up the evidence about KSM and you are holding Obama to blame

you're a tool....

bush never planned on trying him in civil criminal courts....and obama back in 2006 adamantly maintained that he would be tried, not in a civilian criminal court, but a military tribunal.....

your hackery is underwhelming

 

[rightwinger]

Second, KSM was never read his Miranda Warning! All Incriminating statements ARE INADMISSIBLE! You cannot use his confession against him!! So Bush fucked up

Third, KSM never had an attorney present with him at any point in his captivity and was denied his basic Constitutional rights! Wait a second, he's a terrorist and HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!

So Bush fucked up


Fourth, irrespective of whether waterboarding is torture, his statements were obtained under duress, and again inadmissible and would further taint a juries view of the entire government case against the defendant.

So Bush fucked up


Fifth, How can you possibly use covert intel against him? He has a right to access NSA and CIA material under Discovery.

So Bush fucked up


Sixth, what are the charges against him? The terrorists crashed 2 fully loaded US Commercial airliners into 2 fully occupied towers of the WTC intending to toppled the fully loaded towers on to a bustling lower Manhattan at rush hour. Will it be 3,000 counts of murder and 100,000 counts of attempted murder?

Sounds fair


So...in the end Bush fucked up the evidence about KSM and you are holding Obama to blame

you're a tool....

bush never planned on trying him in civil criminal courts....and obama back in 2006 adamantly maintained that he would be tried, not in a civilian criminal court, but a military tribunal.....

your hackery is underwhelming

Exactly,

Bush was a moron.....Bush never planned anything...He never considered that he would need actual evidence to hold people in jail for the rest of their lives.
He never planned that he would need to prove that these men were really terrorists.
Military tribunals still need evidence and Bush fucked it up royally

 

[Yurt]

Second, KSM was never read his Miranda Warning! All Incriminating statements ARE INADMISSIBLE! You cannot use his confession against him!! So Bush fucked up

Third, KSM never had an attorney present with him at any point in his captivity and was denied his basic Constitutional rights! Wait a second, he's a terrorist and HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!

So Bush fucked up


Fourth, irrespective of whether waterboarding is torture, his statements were obtained under duress, and again inadmissible and would further taint a juries view of the entire government case against the defendant.

So Bush fucked up


Fifth, How can you possibly use covert intel against him? He has a right to access NSA and CIA material under Discovery.

So Bush fucked up


Sixth, what are the charges against him? The terrorists crashed 2 fully loaded US Commercial airliners into 2 fully occupied towers of the WTC intending to toppled the fully loaded towers on to a bustling lower Manhattan at rush hour. Will it be 3,000 counts of murder and 100,000 counts of attempted murder?

Sounds fair


So...in the end Bush fucked up the evidence about KSM and you are holding Obama to blame

you're a tool....

bush never planned on trying him in civil criminal courts....and obama back in 2006 adamantly maintained that he would be tried, not in a civilian criminal court, but a military tribunal.....

your hackery is underwhelming

Exactly,

Bush was a moron.....Bush never planned anything...He never considered that he would need actual evidence to hold people in jail for the rest of their lives.
He never planned that he would need to prove that these men were really terrorists.
Military tribunals still need evidence and Bush fucked it up royally

you idiot....why would have had planned for a civilian criminal trial when NO ONE, not even obama, was talking about doing so....obama fucked up by not realizing the constitutional implications of this civilian criminal circus, not bush, bush is not responsible for obama's stupidity, only a hack would think so

military trials are vastly different than civilian criminal trials, your ignorance is astounding....

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

8:39

And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc193

http://www.ummah.com/what-is-islam/quran/noble/

Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

This is the detailed explanation of the meaning of the passages, if their were any doubt.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Is there an Arabic word for these oppressors ?

The Noble Quran's Search Results:

Seems there is little doubt as to the use of the word oppressor in this verse.
In the Arabic the word is Zâlimûn
Polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust.

The Noble Quran's Search Results:

Apparently the same arabic word is used to describe oppresors in 2:193 and 2:254

Quraan Transliteration

That means disbelief is oppresion

 

[Kalam]

This is the detailed explanation of the meaning of the passages, if their were any doubt.

Actually, that's a 14th-century exegesis. The passages are plainly written and interpretation without any Qur'anic basis is illegitimate.

And fight with them until there is no more persecution, and the religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Seer of what they do. - 8:39

...

And if thou fear treachery on the part of a people, throw back to them (their treaty) on terms of equality. Surely Allah loves not the treacherous. - 8:58

...

And if they incline to peace, include thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Surely he is the Hearer, the Knower. - 8:61
​

And the passage from al-Baqara:

And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you but do not transgress. Surely Allah loves not the aggressors. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out of where they drove you out, and persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it; so if they fight you, slay them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is only for Allah. But if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the wrongdoers. The sacred month for the sacred month, and retaliation (is allowed) in sacred things. Whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and keep your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. - 2:190-194​

Saudi propaganda and outdated, baseless interpretations cannot hold up against the clearly-written message of the Qur'an.

 

[Kalam]

Is there an Arabic word for these oppressors ?

The Noble Quran's Search Results:

Seems there is little doubt as to the use of the word oppressor in this verse.
In the Arabic the word is Zâlimûn
Polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust.

The Noble Quran's Search Results:

Apparently the same arabic word is used to describe oppresors in 2:193 and 2:254

Quraan Transliteration

That means disbelief is oppresion

You've cut and pasted this post how many times now? Nine or ten? Think for yourself and come up with original arguments.

Read two passages ahead and you'll understand why your interpretation is false, retard.

There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing. - 2:256​

 

[rightwinger]

you're a tool....

bush never planned on trying him in civil criminal courts....and obama back in 2006 adamantly maintained that he would be tried, not in a civilian criminal court, but a military tribunal.....

your hackery is underwhelming

Exactly,

Bush was a moron.....Bush never planned anything...He never considered that he would need actual evidence to hold people in jail for the rest of their lives.
He never planned that he would need to prove that these men were really terrorists.
Military tribunals still need evidence and Bush fucked it up royally

you idiot....why would have had planned for a civilian criminal trial when NO ONE, not even obama, was talking about doing so....obama fucked up by not realizing the constitutional implications of this civilian criminal circus, not bush, bush is not responsible for obama's stupidity, only a hack would think so

military trials are vastly different than civilian criminal trials, your ignorance is astounding....

LOL...you are delusional

Do you really think military tribunals don't require evidence? You don't think the accused has a right to a fair trial...even if it is military?

God damnit! Do right wingnuts have any concept of the principles this country was founded on? They think you can just accuse someone of terrorism and take them out and hang them?