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    Well, I suppose not reading anything about what is actually happening is one way to remain happily ignorant.
    LOL A business about 4 miles from me has a sign up, cash for old car batteries. So I guess they pay for those batteries.
     
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    I guess not reading anything is a perfect way to maintain one's blissful state of ignorance.


    How Tesla's big battery is bringing Australia’s gas cartel to heel

    On Sunday 14 January something very unusual happened.

    The Australian Energy Market Operator called – as it often does – for generators in South Australia to provide a modest amount of network services known as FCAS, or frequency control and ancillary services.

    This time, though, the market price did not go into orbit and the credit must go to the newly installed Tesla big battery and the neighbouring Hornsdale windfarm.

    The call for 35MW of FCAS – usually made when there is planned maintenance or a system fault on the interconnector between Victoria and South Australia – has become a running joke in the electricity market, and a costly one for consumers.

    The big gas generators – even though they have 10 times more capacity than is required – have systematically rorted the situation, sometimes charging up to $7m a day for a service that normally comes at one-tenth of the price.

    (You can read reports on how they do it here, here and here, and for a more detailed explanation at the bottom of this story.)

    The difference in January was that there is a new player in the market: Tesla. The company’s big battery, officially known as the Hornsdale Power Reserve, bid into the market to ensure that prices stayed reasonable, as predicted last year.

    Rather than jumping up to prices of around $11,500 and $14,000/MW, the bidding of the Tesla big battery – and, in a major new development, the adjoining Hornsdale windfarm – helped (after an initial spike) to keep them at around $270/MW.

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    This saved several million dollars in FCAS charges, which are paid by other generators and big energyusers, in a single day
     
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    "South Australian taxpayers will spend up to $50 million subsidising the 100-megawatt battery.

    In return, the SA Government will have access to some of the battery's output to provide stability services to the grid.

    The Government will also have the right to tap the battery's full output to prevent load shedding blackouts if supply runs low this summer.

    Load shedding happens when the market operator (AEMO) directs power providers to switch off supply to some customers to protect the grid.

    The new battery will produce enough energy to power about 30,000 homes for a little over an hour."

    World's most powerful lithium ion battery finished in SA
     
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    Yeah, that $10 they give you will cover your costs!

    What's the true cost of a home battery without subsidies? $10k? $15K?
     
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    That's exactly it. Taxpayers will pay to get everything installed, then in 10 years when everything needs replacing the government will say sorry, you foot the bill. PS, our law says you must replace it, so what if you can't afford it.
     
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    You repeat yourself and make yourself look twice as stupid. That was not the intent of the battery, to provide continuous power to 30,000 homes. It's purpose was and is to stabilize the grid and avoid the high costs of the gas generators. Which it has done magnificently.
     
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    South Aussieland with long sunny days is one thing, wind is another.
     
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    You know they have backup systems right?

    You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
     
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    How much does the Tesla Powerwall cost?
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    The list price for a new Tesla Powerwall 2.0 battery, which offers twice the storage capacity of the original Powerwall, is $5,900. Supporting hardware adds another $700 to the equipment costs, bringing the total to $6,600. Installation can add anywhere from $2,000 to $8,000 to the final bill.

    Tesla Powerwall: What Buyers Need to Know in 2018 | EnergySage
     
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    Oh my, now we are so desperate to put thumbs down that we are making things up. LOL
     

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