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***Really, you fucking idiot? Why don't you ask some Iranians and find out who was more brutal, barbaric, and backward, the Shah, or these Islamic animals? Do you have any idea how many people have been rounded up, murdered, tortured by these Islamic animals? Living under the Shah was like a good dream for the Iranians that are currently living this nightmare. You are one of the most ignorant idiots I have met in my entire life. YOU ARE A KNOW NOTHING PIECE OF SHIT TERRORIST WORSHIPPER.Roudy -
Once again, you display an aversion to fact that can only be indicative of a lifelong condition...
The Shah operated amongst the most brutal police states the world has ever seen, every bit as oppressive as that in Libya, and arguably worse.
SAVAK has been described as Iran's "most hated and feared institution" prior to the revolution of 1979 because of its practice of torturing and executing opponents of the Pahlavi regime.[2][3] At its peak, the organization had as many as 60,000 agents serving in its ranks according to one source
During the height of its power, SAVAK had virtually unlimited powers. It operated its own detention centers, like Evin Prison. In addition to domestic security the service's tasks extended to the surveillance of Iranians abroad, notably in the United States, France, and
the United Kingdom, and especially students on government stipends. T
A turning point in SAVAK's reputation for ruthless brutality was reportedly an attack on a gendarmerie post in the Caspian village of Siahkal by a small band of armed Marxists in February 1971, although it is also reported to have tortured to death a Shia cleric, Ayatollah Muhammad Reza Sa'idi, in 1970.[17] According to Iranian political historian Ervand Abrahamian, after this attack SAVAK interrogators were sent abroad for "scientific training to prevent unwanted deaths from 'brute force.' Brute force was supplemented with the bastinado; sleep deprivation; extensive solitary confinement; glaring searchlights; standing in one place for hours on end; nail extractions; snakes (favored for use with women); electrical shocks with cattle prods, often into the rectum; cigarette burns; sitting on hot grills; acid dripped into nostrils; near-drownings; mock executions; and an electric chair with a large metal mask to muffle screams while amplifying them for the victim. This latter contraption was dubbed the Apolloan allusion to the American space capsules. Prisoners were also humiliated by being raped, urinated on, and forced to stand naked.[18] Despite the new 'scientific' methods, the torture of choice remained the traditional bastinado used to beat soles of the feet. The "primary goal" of those using the bastinados "was to locate arms caches, safe houses and accomplices ..." [19]
SAVAK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There are some wonderful books on this, but I somewhow doubt you have the stomach for them.
It's just a shame that the Mullahs who replaced the Shah turned out to be no better, and possibly worse.
You're kidding right ? America has a long political history of backing dictators.
True...but it's not often we see posters wishing them back when they're gone.
C'mon, who doesn't wish that the Shah of Iran was still in power.
So you did one google search to find instances of oppression, and you think that makes you and expert, douchebag? Actually this isn't "oppression", because this was a case of an ethnic minority trying to break away and take out a piece of the country with them. So any leader would fight to save his country. And when you think of it, compared to what other leaders have done, Reza Shah was pretty calm. You do realize that we are not talking about the Shah, but his father, you nincompoop. So your comparison fails on many fronts. Again, your claim that you know about the history of the Middle East and been a well traveled blah blah blah, has failed miserably, you just proved you know zero about the history of Iran. Traveling as an "escort" to rich Arab men and giving them pleasure doesn't make you an expert on the Middle East, Fatima Saigoon. ha ha ha!Roudy -
Did the Shah (father and son) oppress the Kurds?
When you have admitted your error, we can then move on. Fair enough?
No you're just really good at putting your foot in your mouth, as usual.Amir -
I doubt you will see anyone on this forum claim that the Mullahs who replaced the Shah were in any way an improvement. Certainly not from me.
Yes Amir, it's really disgusting isn't it. How imposters like Fatima Saigoon profess to know so much, yet with every word they prove how ignorant and illiterate they really are.***Really, you fucking idiot? Why don't you ask some Iranians and find out who was more brutal, barbaric, and backward, the Shah, or these Islamic animals? Do you have any idea how many people have been rounded up, murdered, tortured by these Islamic animals? Living under the Shah was like a good dream for the Iranians that are currently living this nightmare. You are one of the most ignorant idiots I have met in my entire life. YOU ARE A KNOW NOTHING PIECE OF SHIT TERRORIST WORSHIPPER.Roudy -
Once again, you display an aversion to fact that can only be indicative of a lifelong condition...
The Shah operated amongst the most brutal police states the world has ever seen, every bit as oppressive as that in Libya, and arguably worse.
SAVAK has been described as Iran's "most hated and feared institution" prior to the revolution of 1979 because of its practice of torturing and executing opponents of the Pahlavi regime.[2][3] At its peak, the organization had as many as 60,000 agents serving in its ranks according to one source
During the height of its power, SAVAK had virtually unlimited powers. It operated its own detention centers, like Evin Prison. In addition to domestic security the service's tasks extended to the surveillance of Iranians abroad, notably in the United States, France, and
the United Kingdom, and especially students on government stipends. T
A turning point in SAVAK's reputation for ruthless brutality was reportedly an attack on a gendarmerie post in the Caspian village of Siahkal by a small band of armed Marxists in February 1971, although it is also reported to have tortured to death a Shia cleric, Ayatollah Muhammad Reza Sa'idi, in 1970.[17] According to Iranian political historian Ervand Abrahamian, after this attack SAVAK interrogators were sent abroad for "scientific training to prevent unwanted deaths from 'brute force.' Brute force was supplemented with the bastinado; sleep deprivation; extensive solitary confinement; glaring searchlights; standing in one place for hours on end; nail extractions; snakes (favored for use with women); electrical shocks with cattle prods, often into the rectum; cigarette burns; sitting on hot grills; acid dripped into nostrils; near-drownings; mock executions; and an electric chair with a large metal mask to muffle screams while amplifying them for the victim. This latter contraption was dubbed the Apolloan allusion to the American space capsules. Prisoners were also humiliated by being raped, urinated on, and forced to stand naked.[18] Despite the new 'scientific' methods, the torture of choice remained the traditional bastinado used to beat soles of the feet. The "primary goal" of those using the bastinados "was to locate arms caches, safe houses and accomplices ..." [19]
SAVAK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There are some wonderful books on this, but I somewhow doubt you have the stomach for them.
It's just a shame that the Mullahs who replaced the Shah turned out to be no better, and possibly worse.
I was avoiding to take part on this repetitive, beaten to death post by Pbel who seems to have a pile of discredited garbage in his archive and every so often honors us by sharing the same old trash, Roudy, but reading Saigon's comment convinced me to write.
Proof that the Internet (or even living as an outsider among the natives) is not a substitute for knowledge.
Yes, the shah was amongst the most brutal dictators, and yes SAVAK was worse than SAVAMA (or Pasdaran, Basiji, revolutionary guard thugs)!
What do I know. I was just a little religious minority kept away from what was happening around me.
These know nothing dime a dozen self proclaimed political analysts have no clue that the shah pardoned anyone attempted his would be assassination. He only punished those convicted of treason AND THE WHOLE COUNTRY WATCHED THE COURT PROCEEDING ON NATIONAL TV.
Yeah, I remember all the whippings stoning and public hangings.
This morons don't know under the shah men and women became equal, workers became shareholders in the factories they worked. Contiguous diseases were eradicated, malaria that is now rampant became the thing of the past, health and education were free and you could leave the country with everything you owned without having to explain anything to the regime.
And unlike Bashir Assad, he left his beloved country rather than cling to power and cause a bloodshed.
Who died and made these pests experts!
Notice the ignoramus Stromfront VIP now backtracking from the lies and misrepresentations it just vomitted a few posts ago.Amir -
I doubt you will see anyone on this forum claim that the Mullahs who replaced the Shah were in any way an improvement. Certainly not from me.
For Amir:***Really, you fucking idiot? Why don't you ask some Iranians and find out who was more brutal, barbaric, and backward, the Shah, or these Islamic animals? Do you have any idea how many people have been rounded up, murdered, tortured by these Islamic animals? Living under the Shah was like a good dream for the Iranians that are currently living this nightmare. You are one of the most ignorant idiots I have met in my entire life. YOU ARE A KNOW NOTHING PIECE OF SHIT TERRORIST WORSHIPPER.Roudy -
Once again, you display an aversion to fact that can only be indicative of a lifelong condition...
The Shah operated amongst the most brutal police states the world has ever seen, every bit as oppressive as that in Libya, and arguably worse.
SAVAK has been described as Iran's "most hated and feared institution" prior to the revolution of 1979 because of its practice of torturing and executing opponents of the Pahlavi regime.[2][3] At its peak, the organization had as many as 60,000 agents serving in its ranks according to one source
During the height of its power, SAVAK had virtually unlimited powers. It operated its own detention centers, like Evin Prison. In addition to domestic security the service's tasks extended to the surveillance of Iranians abroad, notably in the United States, France, and
the United Kingdom, and especially students on government stipends. T
A turning point in SAVAK's reputation for ruthless brutality was reportedly an attack on a gendarmerie post in the Caspian village of Siahkal by a small band of armed Marxists in February 1971, although it is also reported to have tortured to death a Shia cleric, Ayatollah Muhammad Reza Sa'idi, in 1970.[17] According to Iranian political historian Ervand Abrahamian, after this attack SAVAK interrogators were sent abroad for "scientific training to prevent unwanted deaths from 'brute force.' Brute force was supplemented with the bastinado; sleep deprivation; extensive solitary confinement; glaring searchlights; standing in one place for hours on end; nail extractions; snakes (favored for use with women); electrical shocks with cattle prods, often into the rectum; cigarette burns; sitting on hot grills; acid dripped into nostrils; near-drownings; mock executions; and an electric chair with a large metal mask to muffle screams while amplifying them for the victim. This latter contraption was dubbed the Apolloan allusion to the American space capsules. Prisoners were also humiliated by being raped, urinated on, and forced to stand naked.[18] Despite the new 'scientific' methods, the torture of choice remained the traditional bastinado used to beat soles of the feet. The "primary goal" of those using the bastinados "was to locate arms caches, safe houses and accomplices ..." [19]
SAVAK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There are some wonderful books on this, but I somewhow doubt you have the stomach for them.
It's just a shame that the Mullahs who replaced the Shah turned out to be no better, and possibly worse.
I was avoiding to take part on this repetitive, beaten to death post by Pbel who seems to have a pile of discredited garbage in his archive and every so often honors us by sharing the same old trash, Roudy, but reading Saigon's comment convinced me to write.
Proof that the Internet (or even living as an outsider among the natives) is not a substitute for knowledge.
Yes, the shah was amongst the most brutal dictators, and yes SAVAK was worse than SAVAMA (or Pasdaran, Basiji, revolutionary guard thugs)!
What do I know. I was just a little religious minority kept away from what was happening around me.
These know nothing dime a dozen self proclaimed political analysts have no clue that the shah pardoned anyone attempted his would be assassination. He only punished those convicted of treason AND THE WHOLE COUNTRY WATCHED THE COURT PROCEEDING ON NATIONAL TV.
Yeah, I remember all the whippings stoning and public hangings.
This morons don't know under the shah men and women became equal, workers became shareholders in the factories they worked. Contiguous diseases were eradicated, malaria that is now rampant became the thing of the past, health and education were free and you could leave the country with everything you owned without having to explain anything to the regime.
And unlike Bashir Assad, he left his beloved country rather than cling to power and cause a bloodshed.
Who died and made these pests experts!
Any objective educated leader that wants the best for his people and country knows what the cancer of Islamism can do to a country.All ya have to do is look at what's happened to the average citizen in Iran since the Shah left to see that he was RIGHT to be paranoid about the islamist theocrats working to take the country back to the stone ages!
Next...YEP, we armed the Afghans. And it worked out pretty damn well till we left them on their own and let the Taliban slip in from Pakistan and take over while we were busy snickering at the Soviets.
And if you think Momar or Saddam were sons of a bitches...just wait to see what happens if AQ gets hold of Syria's bio and chemical weapon stockpiles. We had BETTER be getting involved there or what's coming will make 9/11 look like a GOOD day in America!
no, I would never say that I know more than local people - just that I know more than you.
Btw I have spent time in Kurdistan, mainly in Diyabakir. Have you been there?
Roudy -
If we can leave aside you usual foul-mouth and homophobic ranting for now....do you now accept that the Shahs oppressed the Kurds?
If I recommend a book on this, will you commit to readingit?
Notice the ignoramus Stromfront VIP now backtracking from the lies and misrepresentations it just vomitted a few posts ago.Amir -
I doubt you will see anyone on this forum claim that the Mullahs who replaced the Shah were in any way an improvement. Certainly not from me.
. The last thing the Shah was known for, was "oppression of the Kurds". .