We Are Witnesses to the Islamic Reformation

[KissMy]

The whole premise of this thread is nonsense.

The protests have nothing to do with Islam.

And doesn't involve any kind of Islamic Reformation.

In none of these countries has Islam been mentioned as a factor for the protests.


The protests in Egypt, Tunisia, Bahrain, Yemen, and other places; are the result of the U.S. backing brutal puppet dictators.

And supplying them with massive amounts of money and weapons to suppress their people.

The people are just sick of these Zionist/U.S. friendly rulers being forced on them.

And want to have a say in the political and economic direction of their nations.


If anything, Islam will become a much stronger political force in each of these nations governments.

B.S. The USA allied with the protesters 3 years ago to force a regime change in Egypt before their 2011 elections. We also relied on our 30 year long alliance with Egypt's military leaders to pull this off. See supporting info in my thread.

 

[Sunni Man]

In the Old testament, Abraham is instructed to sacrifice his son, Isaac. He doubts the instruction, an, at first, struggles to resist it. The doubt and the struggle to bridge the gap between same and his obligation to God testify to the sincerity of his belief.

This is one of the most sick and perverted of the Bible fables. Gawd played a trick. Let's see if I can make you kill your son. And I could Ha ha ha ha!

Rdean, what exactly does this have to do with the topic of the thread??

Maybe you should just stick with attacking Republicans.

Because you are clearly out of your element.

 

[Ropey]

 

[boedicca]

Jimmy Carter could have helped accelerate this by 30 years....

 

[PoliticalChic]

One after another, Middle East Arab nations are embroiled in protests
and riots pressing traditional leaders, kings and dictators...

Both news coverage, and a re-reading of Paul Berman's "Terror and Liberalism," offer the following explanation.

1. Albert Camus, in ‘The Rebel,’ attempted to find the traits in modern civilization that lead to totalitarianism, and its horrors. Tariq Ramadan, philosopher of Islamism, (“Islam, the West and the Challenge of Modernity&#8221 questions whether ‘civilization’ applies universally, or if the dangers of totalitarianism are unique to the West, and have nothing to do with the Muslim world. Ramadan claims that the mentality and emotions of the Muslim world are not only different form, but are incomprehensible to the Western mind.

a. Tariq Ramadan was Swiss-born, and is an Oxford professor. Ramadan’s father was a militant of the Muslim Brotherhood, and his grandfather, Hassan al-Banna, the founder of the Brotherhood.

2. The starting point for Camus is an innate impulse to rebel. For Ramadan, this particular impulse, the urge to rebel, is the point where Western civilization and Islam diverge! In Western religious tradition, there is a place for skepticism and doubt, and these are elements of faith that prove the authenticity of one’s belief in God.

a. In the Old testament, Abraham is instructed to sacrifice his son, Isaac. He doubts the instruction, an, at first, struggles to resist it. The doubt and the struggle to bridge the gap between same and his obligation to God testify to the sincerity of his belief.

3. In Ramadan’s view, the impulse to rebel in Western culture follows directly from the esteem that is accorded to skepticism and doubt. When one follows that urge one step further, we have full-scale rebellion!

a. Muslim tradition does not have those traits. In Islam, there is no impulse to rebel. The story of Abraham and Isaac, as recounted in the Koran, there is no emphasis on skepticism and resistance: Abraham simply hears the instruction, and gets ready to comply. No temptation to rebel: In Islam, submission is all. Thus the unification of Islamic society. Submission is the road to social justice.

b. The message of the Saudi King: ""Mubarak and King Abdullah are not just allies, they are close friends, and the king is not about to see his friend cast aside and humiliated," a senior source in the Saudi capital told The Times."NoCookies | The Australian

4. If Tariq Ramadan is correct, and Muslim tradition does not have those traits, and if in Islam, there is no impulse to rebel...then we are witnessing an alteration in the culture- not in any one nation- but across the Middle East- that may bring bring Islamic culture more in line with modernity, with the Western societies with which they must compete and cooperate.

a. Once again, the tamping down of a natural human urge, to be responsible for one's path in life, for self-determination, will be stronger than submission of any sort.

"Saudi Arabia Takes a Step Forward, as Iran Moves Backwards​

by Tarek Fatah
The Toronto Sun

When the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, challenged the fundamental precepts of Islamic Sharia in an interview on April 28, the tremors were so deep, they left most Muslims and their clerics in a state of silent shock.

MBS, as the crown prince is known, had questioned the very validity of 'Hadith' literature – sayings attributed to Prophet Muhammad – that provide much of what is today considered Islamic Law in places as far apart as Aceh in Indonesia to University campuses in California in the West.

As an example, the hijab suddenly lost its religious justification and much of the Islamic laws that created the Taliban lost their validation.

Many of us who had for decades fought the Saudization of Islam were taken aback by MBS's statements. The man who is turning his country slightly away from funding overseas jihads and civil wars had quietly heralded women's rights and in an unprecedented move included the Hindu texts of Mahabharat and Ramayana into the school syllabus."

Saudi Arabia Takes a Step Forward, as Iran Moves Backwards

When the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, challenged the fundamental precepts of Islamic Sharia in an interview on April 28, the tremors were so deep, they left most Muslims and their clerics in a state of silent shock.

www.meforum.org

 

[ekrem]

15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi nationals.
Saudi Arabia is as bad as it gets. No PR will change that.