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If one homeowner suffers foreclosure, that might be his fault. If millions of homeowners suffer foreclosure, if we have an epidemic of foreclosures, that is not the fault of the homeowners.
If one person loses a job and can't find a new one, that might be his fault. If millions of people lose jobs and can't find new ones, if the unemployment rate climbs to high levels and stays there, that is not the fault of the unemployed.
If one person gets stuck with a stagnant income and can't find a way to move into a better career, that might be his fault. If, over thirty years, most of the people in the country find themselves in that situation, that is not their fault.
The 99% includes most of the 80-90% who have jobs. They're still suffering from stagnant and declining wages, increasing health-care costs, and lack of job security. It includes the majority of homeowners who do not face foreclosure. They're still seeing their home values decline to less than the remaining amount they owe.
It's likely that most of the people who are involved in OWS full time don't have jobs (or they couldn't be there). That isn't an indictment of OWS. It's an indictment of America, rather, that so many people don't have jobs. It's an indictment of America that a college education has become a road to crushing debt rather than success. It's an indictment of America that the middle class has shrunk. It's an indictment of America that we have austerity for everyone except the very rich, who just become richer. And above all, as the OP's cartoon illustrates, it's an indictment of America that neither of the major political parties is prepared to do squat about all this, both of them being bought and paid for advocates for the plutocrats.
It's time for a little class war. It's time to make a lot of noise. It's time to take our country back. If OWS as it currently exists isn't enough to push the politicians into serving the people instead of the banks and corporations, there's plenty more that can be done. A general strike, for example.
This is only the beginning.
Just tell us what you plan to replace capitalism with.
This is not about replacing capitalism. The economic meltdown had nothing to do with capitalism, only cronyism and corruption. I think liberals and conservatives can both agree on that point. This is about putting the power of representation back into the people's hands.
Don't get me wrong, liberals and conservatives will still tear each other's throats out in the future, but hopefully without someone stealing from us both while we do it.
You can fuck off with the "99%" crap then. You are not the 99%. You aren't even .0001%. Get a fucking job. Pay your own way.
I probably will get flamed for this, but I am begging everyone of this board to at least consider the merits of OWS (Occupy Wall Street). What we have seen for quite some time now is the purposeful division of our society along very few issues. (Gun control, gay marriage, abortion, etc.) At the same time, we have seen the Treasury gutted, our Civil Liberties curtailed, and the normalization of a permanent state of war.
It doesn't matter which vetted politician is in charge, (Obama, Bush, Clinton) we get tossed to the side all the same. Both Bush and Obama bailed out the banks. Obama continues to throw the Bill of Rights out the window.
I am sure everyone knows that the laundry list of problems looks endless, but we must recognize that a many faced monster turns us against each other while reaching into our pocketbooks. These few that attempt to steer hatred of our fellow citizens into our lives have no political agenda, they are only concerned about their own gain, and they win every time a liberal calls a conservative a fascist or a tea bagger, or a conservative calls a liberal a hippie or a commie. These people that we are dealing with at the top are political chameleons who have no interest in the survival of the nation, only the endurance of their egos and pride.
Long live the Republic.
Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for American Revolution
And there's always a place for the angry young man,
With his fist in the air and his head in the sand.
And he's never been able to learn from mistakes,
He can't understand why his heart always breaks.
His honor is pure and his courage as well,
He's fair and he's true and he's boring as hell!
And he'll go to the grave as an angry old man.
. . . . and there's always a place for the angry young man
With his working class ties and his radical plans
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl,
He's always at home with his back to the wall.
And he's proud of his scars and the battles he's lost,
He struggles and bleeds til he hangs on the cross
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.
I probably will get flamed for this, but I am begging everyone of this board to at least consider the merits of OWS (Occupy Wall Street). What we have seen for quite some time now is the purposeful division of our society along very few issues. (Gun control, gay marriage, abortion, etc.) At the same time, we have seen the Treasury gutted, our Civil Liberties curtailed, and the normalization of a permanent state of war.
It doesn't matter which vetted politician is in charge, (Obama, Bush, Clinton) we get tossed to the side all the same. Both Bush and Obama bailed out the banks. Obama continues to throw the Bill of Rights out the window.
I am sure everyone knows that the laundry list of problems looks endless, but we must recognize that a many faced monster turns us against each other while reaching into our pocketbooks. These few that attempt to steer hatred of our fellow citizens into our lives have no political agenda, they are only concerned about their own gain, and they win every time a liberal calls a conservative a fascist or a tea bagger, or a conservative calls a liberal a hippie or a commie. These people that we are dealing with at the top are political chameleons who have no interest in the survival of the nation, only the endurance of their egos and pride.
Long live the Republic.
Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for American Revolution
Just tell us what you plan to replace capitalism with.
You've asked that before and in a couple different threads now.
Who said anything about replacing capitalism?
I am a free man. I call 'em as I see 'em.
So no one forces you to turn over your hard earned money to that dastardly banker?
Nope
I have worked hard to change my balance sheet so I don't need them. Not bad for a homeless foster kid.
the stated goal of these street shitters is to bring down capitalism. I merely want to know what capitalism is going to be replaced with. Why is the question so hard for the left to answer?
I probably will get flamed for this, but I am begging everyone of this board to at least consider the merits of OWS (Occupy Wall Street). What we have seen for quite some time now is the purposeful division of our society along very few issues. (Gun control, gay marriage, abortion, etc.) At the same time, we have seen the Treasury gutted, our Civil Liberties curtailed, and the normalization of a permanent state of war.
It doesn't matter which vetted politician is in charge, (Obama, Bush, Clinton) we get tossed to the side all the same. Both Bush and Obama bailed out the banks. Obama continues to throw the Bill of Rights out the window.
I am sure everyone knows that the laundry list of problems looks endless, but we must recognize that a many faced monster turns us against each other while reaching into our pocketbooks. These few that attempt to steer hatred of our fellow citizens into our lives have no political agenda, they are only concerned about their own gain, and they win every time a liberal calls a conservative a fascist or a tea bagger, or a conservative calls a liberal a hippie or a commie. These people that we are dealing with at the top are political chameleons who have no interest in the survival of the nation, only the endurance of their egos and pride.
Long live the Republic.
Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for American Revolution
If noting that you and your ilk are simpletons is "flaming" you, then yes. You are going to get flamed.
The Occupy Wall Street nitwits have nothing to offer.
They are against "greed."
Good. Me too.
But they offer no hope of a serious solution.
They don't like bailouts for those greedy corporations? Ok. Me neither. I didn't support it when President Bush did it in the first place and I haven't liked it since the Obama Administration has piled on.
But, that's where we part company.
I still say taxing a corporation is stupid. They just pass along the costs, you ignorant tools.
Occupy Wall Street isn't even a coherent and cohesive group. A bunch of wannabe hippies who regret missing out on the 60's. Some are Marxists tools. Some are socialist tools. Some are fucking anarchist tools. Some are hapless humps like the Alex Jones can't find enough looney conspiracy goons. Soros backed, and supported by similar drek, the Occupy Wall Street simpletons cannot even fathom the entirely predictable results of the stupidity they SEEK.
They are worse than mindless sheep. They are more akin to the proverbial lemmings playing follow the leader over a cliff.
They remind me a lot of the character in the Billy Joel song with their rage and their utterly "pointless point of view":
And there's always a place for the angry young man,
With his fist in the air and his head in the sand.
And he's never been able to learn from mistakes,
He can't understand why his heart always breaks.
His honor is pure and his courage as well,
He's fair and he's true and he's boring as hell!
And he'll go to the grave as an angry old man.
. . . . and there's always a place for the angry young man
With his working class ties and his radical plans
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl,
He's always at home with his back to the wall.
And he's proud of his scars and the battles he's lost,
He struggles and bleeds til he hangs on the cross
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.
I probably will get flamed for this, but I am begging everyone of this board to at least consider the merits of OWS (Occupy Wall Street). What we have seen for quite some time now is the purposeful division of our society along very few issues. (Gun control, gay marriage, abortion, etc.) At the same time, we have seen the Treasury gutted, our Civil Liberties curtailed, and the normalization of a permanent state of war.
It doesn't matter which vetted politician is in charge, (Obama, Bush, Clinton) we get tossed to the side all the same. Both Bush and Obama bailed out the banks. Obama continues to throw the Bill of Rights out the window.
I am sure everyone knows that the laundry list of problems looks endless, but we must recognize that a many faced monster turns us against each other while reaching into our pocketbooks. These few that attempt to steer hatred of our fellow citizens into our lives have no political agenda, they are only concerned about their own gain, and they win every time a liberal calls a conservative a fascist or a tea bagger, or a conservative calls a liberal a hippie or a commie. These people that we are dealing with at the top are political chameleons who have no interest in the survival of the nation, only the endurance of their egos and pride.
Long live the Republic.
Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for American Revolution
If noting that you and your ilk are simpletons is "flaming" you, then yes. You are going to get flamed.
The Occupy Wall Street nitwits have nothing to offer.
They are against "greed."
Good. Me too.
But they offer no hope of a serious solution.
They don't like bailouts for those greedy corporations? Ok. Me neither. I didn't support it when President Bush did it in the first place and I haven't liked it since the Obama Administration has piled on.
But, that's where we part company.
I still say taxing a corporation is stupid. They just pass along the costs, you ignorant tools.
Occupy Wall Street isn't even a coherent and cohesive group. A bunch of wannabe hippies who regret missing out on the 60's. Some are Marxists tools. Some are socialist tools. Some are fucking anarchist tools. Some are hapless humps like the Alex Jones can't find enough looney conspiracy goons. Soros backed, and supported by similar drek, the Occupy Wall Street simpletons cannot even fathom the entirely predictable results of the stupidity they SEEK.
They are worse than mindless sheep. They are more akin to the proverbial lemmings playing follow the leader over a cliff.
They remind me a lot of the character in the Billy Joel song with their rage and their utterly "pointless point of view":
And there's always a place for the angry young man,
With his fist in the air and his head in the sand.
And he's never been able to learn from mistakes,
He can't understand why his heart always breaks.
His honor is pure and his courage as well,
He's fair and he's true and he's boring as hell!
And he'll go to the grave as an angry old man.
. . . . and there's always a place for the angry young man
With his working class ties and his radical plans
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl,
He's always at home with his back to the wall.
And he's proud of his scars and the battles he's lost,
He struggles and bleeds til he hangs on the cross
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.
And yet there have been protest in 45 states, only the deeply red have not had such protests (likely because the citizens are afraid of being shot by some good ole boy conservative) and fools like LIEability are stuck in denial. Angry young men always push back; fat middle aged mostly white guys and gals dressed in 18th century garb better not stand in their way.
Long live the 'Republic'? Which one? The People's Republic of China?
Get a fucking job, asshole.
Just tell us what you plan to replace capitalism with.
You've asked that before and in a couple different threads now.
Who said anything about replacing capitalism?
the stated goal of these street shitters is to bring down capitalism. I merely want to know what capitalism is going to be replaced with. Why is the question so hard for the left to answer?
Pay no attention to California Girl, who either is a menopausal psychopath or a right-wing shill. I added her to my Ignore list months ago and it's a relief to not be offended by her redundantly abusive nonsense.This is not about replacing capitalism. The economic meltdown had nothing to do with capitalism, only cronyism and corruption. I think liberals and conservatives can both agree on that point. This is about putting the power of representation back into the people's hands.
Don't get me wrong, liberals and conservatives will still tear each other's throats out in the future, but hopefully without someone stealing from us both while we do it.
You can fuck off with the "99%" crap then. You are not the 99%. You aren't even .0001%. Get a fucking job. Pay your own way.
Who are you you to demean his sentiments like this? You are so immature CG.
I probably will get flamed for this, but I am begging everyone of this board to at least consider the merits of OWS (Occupy Wall Street). What we have seen for quite some time now is the purposeful division of our society along very few issues. (Gun control, gay marriage, abortion, etc.) At the same time, we have seen the Treasury gutted, our Civil Liberties curtailed, and the normalization of a permanent state of war.
It doesn't matter which vetted politician is in charge, (Obama, Bush, Clinton) we get tossed to the side all the same. Both Bush and Obama bailed out the banks. Obama continues to throw the Bill of Rights out the window.
I am sure everyone knows that the laundry list of problems looks endless, but we must recognize that a many faced monster turns us against each other while reaching into our pocketbooks. These few that attempt to steer hatred of our fellow citizens into our lives have no political agenda, they are only concerned about their own gain, and they win every time a liberal calls a conservative a fascist or a tea bagger, or a conservative calls a liberal a hippie or a commie. These people that we are dealing with at the top are political chameleons who have no interest in the survival of the nation, only the endurance of their egos and pride.
Long live the Republic.
Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for American Revolution
If noting that you and your ilk are simpletons is "flaming" you, then yes. You are going to get flamed.
The Occupy Wall Street nitwits have nothing to offer.
They are against "greed."
Good. Me too.
But they offer no hope of a serious solution.
They don't like bailouts for those greedy corporations? Ok. Me neither. I didn't support it when President Bush did it in the first place and I haven't liked it since the Obama Administration has piled on.
But, that's where we part company.
I still say taxing a corporation is stupid. They just pass along the costs, you ignorant tools.
Occupy Wall Street isn't even a coherent and cohesive group. A bunch of wannabe hippies who regret missing out on the 60's. Some are Marxists tools. Some are socialist tools. Some are fucking anarchist tools. Some are hapless humps like the Alex Jones can't find enough looney conspiracy goons. Soros backed, and supported by similar drek, the Occupy Wall Street simpletons cannot even fathom the entirely predictable results of the stupidity they SEEK.
They are worse than mindless sheep. They are more akin to the proverbial lemmings playing follow the leader over a cliff.
They remind me a lot of the character in the Billy Joel song with their rage and their utterly "pointless point of view":
And there's always a place for the angry young man,
With his fist in the air and his head in the sand.
And he's never been able to learn from mistakes,
He can't understand why his heart always breaks.
His honor is pure and his courage as well,
He's fair and he's true and he's boring as hell!
And he'll go to the grave as an angry old man.
. . . . and there's always a place for the angry young man
With his working class ties and his radical plans
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl,
He's always at home with his back to the wall.
And he's proud of his scars and the battles he's lost,
He struggles and bleeds ‘til he hangs on the cross
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.
And yet there have been protest in 45 states, only the deeply red have not had such protests (likely because the citizens are afraid of being shot by some good ole boy conservative) and fools like LIEability are stuck in denial. Angry young men always push back; fat middle aged mostly white guys and gals dressed in 18th century garb better not stand in their way.
I probably will get flamed for this, but I am begging everyone of this board to at least consider the merits of OWS (Occupy Wall Street). What we have seen for quite some time now is the purposeful division of our society along very few issues. (Gun control, gay marriage, abortion, etc.) At the same time, we have seen the Treasury gutted, our Civil Liberties curtailed, and the normalization of a permanent state of war.
It doesn't matter which vetted politician is in charge, (Obama, Bush, Clinton) we get tossed to the side all the same. Both Bush and Obama bailed out the banks. Obama continues to throw the Bill of Rights out the window.
I am sure everyone knows that the laundry list of problems looks endless, but we must recognize that a many faced monster turns us against each other while reaching into our pocketbooks. These few that attempt to steer hatred of our fellow citizens into our lives have no political agenda, they are only concerned about their own gain, and they win every time a liberal calls a conservative a fascist or a tea bagger, or a conservative calls a liberal a hippie or a commie. These people that we are dealing with at the top are political chameleons who have no interest in the survival of the nation, only the endurance of their egos and pride.
Long live the Republic.
Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for American Revolution
The terms agreed upon were based on ostensibly fixed amounts. They were terms which the borrowers could have and would have complied with. But what they were led to believe were fixed mortgages turned out to be very carefully worded ARMs (Adjustable Rate Mortgages) which increased to two and three times the original terms, usually during the first six months. A moral individual will regard this as theft!
If you don't agree that taking advantage of simple, well-meaning people in this way is criminal even though it's legal there is something seriously wrong with your sense of simple decency and you should not be trusted around children.
If noting that you and your ilk are simpletons is "flaming" you, then yes. You are going to get flamed.
The Occupy Wall Street nitwits have nothing to offer.
They are against "greed."
Good. Me too.
But they offer no hope of a serious solution.
They don't like bailouts for those greedy corporations? Ok. Me neither. I didn't support it when President Bush did it in the first place and I haven't liked it since the Obama Administration has piled on.
But, that's where we part company.
I still say taxing a corporation is stupid. They just pass along the costs, you ignorant tools.
Occupy Wall Street isn't even a coherent and cohesive group. A bunch of wannabe hippies who regret missing out on the 60's. Some are Marxists tools. Some are socialist tools. Some are fucking anarchist tools. Some are hapless humps like the Alex Jones can't find enough looney conspiracy goons. Soros backed, and supported by similar drek, the Occupy Wall Street simpletons cannot even fathom the entirely predictable results of the stupidity they SEEK.
They are worse than mindless sheep. They are more akin to the proverbial lemmings playing follow the leader over a cliff.
They remind me a lot of the character in the Billy Joel song with their rage and their utterly "pointless point of view":
And yet there have been protest in 45 states, only the deeply red have not had such protests (likely because the citizens are afraid of being shot by some good ole boy conservative) and fools like LIEability are stuck in denial. Angry young men always push back; fat middle aged mostly white guys and gals dressed in 18th century garb better not stand in their way.
Were they protesting with their I pads, I phones? Or are they protesting only the right guys?
And yet there have been protest in 45 states, only the deeply red have not had such protests (likely because the citizens are afraid of being shot by some good ole boy conservative) and fools like LIEability are stuck in denial. Angry young men always push back; fat middle aged mostly white guys and gals dressed in 18th century garb better not stand in their way.
Were they protesting with their I pads, I phones? Or are they protesting only the right guys?
I suspect most are protesting our nation's march on a course toward Plutocracy, an oligarchy of the rich. Some recognize that this oligarchy will include the Christian Clergy, who will decide on the purity of our citizens. Those deemed unpure will lose their franchise to vote (those who dismiss this statement as hyperbole need to see how efforts are being made in the states to restrict voting, blaming voter fraud. he Big Lie).
The OWS movement was predictable, the swing of the pendulum so far right was sure to create a counter revolt. It does evoke some humor, the far right's fear of and explotation of working men and women created the movement to the right, and the rise of the left.
If one homeowner suffers foreclosure, that might be his fault. If millions of homeowners suffer foreclosure, if we have an epidemic of foreclosures, that is not the fault of the homeowners.
If one person loses a job and can't find a new one, that might be his fault. If millions of people lose jobs and can't find new ones, if the unemployment rate climbs to high levels and stays there, that is not the fault of the unemployed.
If one person gets stuck with a stagnant income and can't find a way to move into a better career, that might be his fault. If, over thirty years, most of the people in the country find themselves in that situation, that is not their fault.
The 99% includes most of the 80-90% who have jobs. They're still suffering from stagnant and declining wages, increasing health-care costs, and lack of job security. It includes the majority of homeowners who do not face foreclosure. They're still seeing their home values decline to less than the remaining amount they owe.
It's likely that most of the people who are involved in OWS full time don't have jobs (or they couldn't be there). That isn't an indictment of OWS. It's an indictment of America, rather, that so many people don't have jobs. It's an indictment of America that a college education has become a road to crushing debt rather than success. It's an indictment of America that the middle class has shrunk. It's an indictment of America that we have austerity for everyone except the very rich, who just become richer. And above all, as the OP's cartoon illustrates, it's an indictment of America that neither of the major political parties is prepared to do squat about all this, both of them being bought and paid for advocates for the plutocrats.
It's time for a little class war. It's time to make a lot of noise. It's time to take our country back. If OWS as it currently exists isn't enough to push the politicians into serving the people instead of the banks and corporations, there's plenty more that can be done. A general strike, for example.
This is only the beginning.
"These people that we are dealing with at the top are political chameleons who have no interest in the survival of the nation, only the endurance of their egos and pride."
These people we are dealing with at the bottom, who are trying to bring down the hand that feeds most of them, are doing the GOP a great favor, in the long run. The Independents are watching and guess on whose side they won't wish to be....
