We Are Going To Build A Wall!

[Dschrute3]

Just get it done. Build the wall. I don't care how much it costs. Our Politicians blow $Trillions on things i don't support. But i fully support securing our border. So spend whatever it takes to get it done. I don't care if the Debt rises to $40 Trillion.

Spend the Taxpayer Dollars on something worthwhile for a change. And if Trump can get Mexico to contribute, that'll be a nice bonus. But if he can't, he still needs to go forward with securing our border. It's what Americans want.

then, stop whining about the cost of social services.

Keep your services, and build me my wall. Spend whatever it takes. Period, end of story.

mind if i wait for the voice vote, first.

bifurcation is all i usually get from the right wing.

You got your services. Now give me border security. It's time.

 

[Dschrute3]

Just get it done. Build the wall. I don't care how much it costs. Our Politicians blow $Trillions on things i don't support. But i fully support securing our border. So spend whatever it takes to get it done. I don't care if the Debt rises to $40 Trillion.

Spend the Taxpayer Dollars on something worthwhile for a change. And if Trump can get Mexico to contribute, that'll be a nice bonus. But if he can't, he still needs to go forward with securing our border. It's what Americans want.

This is really a stupid idea.

All a border fence will do is screw up the bio-diversity of the wild life that doesn't understand international borders.

The reason illegals cross the border is for jobs. As long as there is no penalty for greed head American employers hiring illegals they will continue to sneak in - fence or no fence. And your beloved Republican congress will not pass a law punishing these greedy employers because our government is for sale.

So all this wall will do is schmooze the non-thinkers who support Trump.

You actually make a decent point. I'm a big animal lover. I'll have to look into the impact a bit more.

 

[danielpalos]

all you have is, more socialism on a national basis.

We have a Commerce Clause.

Calling it socialism is not a challenge to my point, thus my point stands.


That you think you have the solution to the problem, does not mean the problem does not currently exist.


For you to pretend that it does is deeply dishonest and quite rude of you.

Capitalism is the solution; the right wing prefers national socialism. coincidence or conspiracy?

That was a meaningless statement.


The fact remains. Millions of people walking across our border against our laws is a border security problem.


Calling it national socialism is not a challenge to the reality of the situation on the ground.

then stop whining about social spending.

Stop trying to derail the thread to distract from your inability to make the case for your position on it's merits vs it's costs.

we have a welfare clause not a warfare clause, or a war on drug clause or even a common offense clause. your point?

 

[danielpalos]

doesn't matter; unless you are for more Government and less free market; which is it. no flip-flopping on this one.

It matters very much to those who lose jobs, lose wages or whom are victimized by criminals that should not be in the country.


That is the crux of the matter which you not only have no answer to, but refuse to admit that you have no answer to.

the answer, is a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and fourteen dollars an hour for unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States.

That is your proposal, which you believe would work.

Which you are incapable of presenting a valid case for, because you refuse to address the negatives of your proposed solution.

AND, which does NOT mean that the current situation does not exist.


You do not get to dismiss current suffering on the parts of workers and crime victims because you think you have a solution.

capitalism works. why do you believe it won't work?

I will not bother to identify which logical fallacy that it.

SUffice it to point out that nothing in your post addresses, let alone challenges my previous post, so all my points stand.

ie


That is your proposal, which you believe would work.

Which you are incapable of presenting a valid case for, because you refuse to address the negatives of your proposed solution.

AND, which does NOT mean that the current situation does not exist.


You do not get to dismiss current suffering on the parts of workers and crime victims because you think you have a solution.

there are no negatives to solving simple poverty on an at-will basis.

 

[danielpalos]

a market friendly visa solves that problem.

And we have them, but those who enter the US without being vetted or fulfilling an acknowledged need for foreign workers pose a security risk and a drain on our economy.

a market friendly visa is supposed to make it more convenient to be legal, than to be illegal.

Market friendly visas are supposed to benefit our economy, not those who want to come here. If the government certifies that there is a need for foreign labor, those who come here under a work visa after being vetted are legal only so long as the need for their services exists and then they must leave or become illegal, so if they leave their job for any reason, they must leave. The vast majority of those illegals who are already here would not have qualified for a work visa.

A market friendly visa program could generate revenue that benefits the People of our economy. Capitalism doesn't care about legal status; only lousy socialists whine about it.

We already have a market friendly visa program, so what are you whining about?

Only in right wing fantasy.

 

[danielpalos]

implementation is every thing. in this, it is. and, it is not, limited government; but right wing fantasy on a national and social basis.

Border security is a, if not THE, role of government.

Calling it a right wing fantasy does not make it so.

You have done nothing to support you odd opinion on the subject.

we don't have a border security problem. we are at peace with our neighbors.

Yes, we do have a border security problem.

No, we don't. We have a (lack of) Commerce problem at our borders.

Whats your solution?

a market friendly work visa.

 

[danielpalos]

Border security is a, if not THE, role of government.

Calling it a right wing fantasy does not make it so.

You have done nothing to support you odd opinion on the subject.

we don't have a border security problem. we are at peace with our neighbors.

Yes, we do have a border security problem.

No, we don't. We have a (lack of) Commerce problem at our borders.

Whats your solution?

Open borders.

beats more national socialism while whining about a PoliceStateUSA and how much social services cost; only untermenchen, do that.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Just remember Trump's business history. Use other people's money, make promises and then leave the investors holding the bag.

So yeah, of course he is asking us to pay for it. And he promises Mexico will pay it back...now just hand over the support and money already and dont think to much about it.

 

[usmbguest5318]

I'd almost forgotten about this

• Fox News headline: "Trump repeats vow to build border wall, but admits 'there could be some fencing'"

A fence? Really? What have we there now? Um....A fence, a wall, a river, sometimes a canal.

So if he's going to settle for a fence, well, that's basically already done. Unless illegals are coming by submarine, you don't need a fence on our side of the river. They'll cross the river - just seeing the boarder patrol doesn't make them turn around and go back - they'll land, get caught and sent back.

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Why do they cross anyway? Because once the border patrol gets them, it processes them back to Mexico, but part of the processing includes a square meal. So if they're hungry enough, they'll cross illegally for the purpose of getting caught, especially mothers with small children. You would too.

 

[danielpalos]

looks expensive and requires PoliceStateUSA, functionality.

 

[idb]

Just remember Trump's business history. Use other people's money, make promises and then leave the investors holding the bag.

So yeah, of course he is asking us to pay for it. And he promises Mexico will pay it back...now just hand over the support and money already and dont think to much about it.

Mexico just might use the Trump philosophy of (not) paying contractors when the bill arrives from the Whitehouse.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Just remember Trump's business history. Use other people's money, make promises and then leave the investors holding the bag.

So yeah, of course he is asking us to pay for it. And he promises Mexico will pay it back...now just hand over the support and money already and dont think to much about it.

Mexico just might use the Trump philosophy of (not) paying contractors when the bill arrives from the Whitehouse.

Of coursee they will. When was the last time you paid your neighbors bill because they insisted?

But that's the play. Kick the can down the road. Change it from they will pay into "I just need some upfront money" and when you finally realize you've been taken...blame Mexico.

 

[Correll]

Calling it socialism is not a challenge to my point, thus my point stands.


That you think you have the solution to the problem, does not mean the problem does not currently exist.


For you to pretend that it does is deeply dishonest and quite rude of you.

Capitalism is the solution; the right wing prefers national socialism. coincidence or conspiracy?

That was a meaningless statement.


The fact remains. Millions of people walking across our border against our laws is a border security problem.


Calling it national socialism is not a challenge to the reality of the situation on the ground.

then stop whining about social spending.

Stop trying to derail the thread to distract from your inability to make the case for your position on it's merits vs it's costs.

we have a welfare clause not a warfare clause, or a war on drug clause or even a common offense clause. your point?

The fact remains. Millions of people walking across our border against our laws is a border security problem.

 

[Correll]

It matters very much to those who lose jobs, lose wages or whom are victimized by criminals that should not be in the country.


That is the crux of the matter which you not only have no answer to, but refuse to admit that you have no answer to.

the answer, is a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and fourteen dollars an hour for unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States.

That is your proposal, which you believe would work.

Which you are incapable of presenting a valid case for, because you refuse to address the negatives of your proposed solution.

AND, which does NOT mean that the current situation does not exist.


You do not get to dismiss current suffering on the parts of workers and crime victims because you think you have a solution.

capitalism works. why do you believe it won't work?

I will not bother to identify which logical fallacy that it.

SUffice it to point out that nothing in your post addresses, let alone challenges my previous post, so all my points stand.

ie


That is your proposal, which you believe would work.

Which you are incapable of presenting a valid case for, because you refuse to address the negatives of your proposed solution.

AND, which does NOT mean that the current situation does not exist.


You do not get to dismiss current suffering on the parts of workers and crime victims because you think you have a solution.

there are no negatives to solving simple poverty on an at-will basis.

Your refusal to seriously and honestly discuss the cost/benefit of your hoped for solution, makes it nothing but a fantasy.

AND, as I have repeatedly pointed out to you, you having a possible solution in your head does not make the reality of the problem go away,

AND your pretending it does, it just you being delusional, weird and rude.

You should really knock that off.

 

[Correll]

And we have them, but those who enter the US without being vetted or fulfilling an acknowledged need for foreign workers pose a security risk and a drain on our economy.

a market friendly visa is supposed to make it more convenient to be legal, than to be illegal.

Market friendly visas are supposed to benefit our economy, not those who want to come here. If the government certifies that there is a need for foreign labor, those who come here under a work visa after being vetted are legal only so long as the need for their services exists and then they must leave or become illegal, so if they leave their job for any reason, they must leave. The vast majority of those illegals who are already here would not have qualified for a work visa.

A market friendly visa program could generate revenue that benefits the People of our economy. Capitalism doesn't care about legal status; only lousy socialists whine about it.

We already have a market friendly visa program, so what are you whining about?

Only in right wing fantasy.

That was rude and uninformative.

If you disagreed, you should have just said so, AND then explained the reason for your disagreement, as clearly as you could.


Instead you choose to be a pompous jerk.

 

[Correll]

we don't have a border security problem. we are at peace with our neighbors.

Yes, we do have a border security problem.

No, we don't. We have a (lack of) Commerce problem at our borders.

Whats your solution?

Open borders.

beats more national socialism while whining about a PoliceStateUSA and how much social services cost; only untermenchen, do that.

The 13 year old girl Tomas Martinez-Maldonado raped might disagree with you on that.

Or do you dismiss her as an inferior?

ps, being pompous is not a supporting argument.

 

[Correll]

Just remember Trump's business history. Use other people's money, make promises and then leave the investors holding the bag.

So yeah, of course he is asking us to pay for it. And he promises Mexico will pay it back...now just hand over the support and money already and dont think to much about it.

Mexico just might use the Trump philosophy of (not) paying contractors when the bill arrives from the Whitehouse.

They might want to consider the consequences of pissing US off.

 

[Correll]

Just remember Trump's business history. Use other people's money, make promises and then leave the investors holding the bag.

So yeah, of course he is asking us to pay for it. And he promises Mexico will pay it back...now just hand over the support and money already and dont think to much about it.

Mexico just might use the Trump philosophy of (not) paying contractors when the bill arrives from the Whitehouse.

Of coursee they will. When was the last time you paid your neighbors bill because they insisted?

..o.

Was your neighbor a superpower you were highly dependent on?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Just remember Trump's business history. Use other people's money, make promises and then leave the investors holding the bag.

So yeah, of course he is asking us to pay for it. And he promises Mexico will pay it back...now just hand over the support and money already and dont think to much about it.

Mexico just might use the Trump philosophy of (not) paying contractors when the bill arrives from the Whitehouse.

Of coursee they will. When was the last time you paid your neighbors bill because they insisted?

..o.

Was your neighbor a superpower you were highly dependent on?

If he was I would be compelled to pay upfront. Mexico has said go fuck yourself and the only person who says they will pay is asking for your money right now and a promise later.

No matter how many clever questions you have we all know Trump's business model. If you believe he won't follow his own pattern then your faith is about to be tested.

 

[Correll]

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Just remember Trump's business history. Use other people's money, make promises and then leave the investors holding the bag.

So yeah, of course he is asking us to pay for it. And he promises Mexico will pay it back...now just hand over the support and money already and dont think to much about it.

Mexico just might use the Trump philosophy of (not) paying contractors when the bill arrives from the Whitehouse.

Of coursee they will. When was the last time you paid your neighbors bill because they insisted?

..o.

Was your neighbor a superpower you were highly dependent on?

If he was I would be compelled to pay upfront. Mexico has said go fuck yourself and the only person who says they will pay is asking for your money right now and a promise later.

No matter how many clever questions you have we all know Trump's business model. If you believe he won't follow his own pattern then your faith is about to be tested.

Mexico would do well to start mending fences with the nation they have taken advantage of so much for so long.

BTW, you seem to be dropping the line, that there will be no Wall.

Good to see you getting better.