We Are Going To Build A Wall!

[toomuchtime_]

We Are Going To Build A Wall! AND MEXICO WILL PAY FOR IT! ...lol, Suckers. I ran into a trump supporter yesterday. He said trump didn't say he was going to build a wall

We are headed for four long years of "he didn't really mean that." Mark my words. It's already started. The question is when the crescendo will happen.

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WTH? How can anyone deny Trump said he was going to build a wall and Mexico was going to pay for it? Did you check the guy for bruises? He must have have a lot from having crawled out from under all those rocks.

I swear, there is no way there are enough therapists in the country to treat all the wave of cognitive dissonance that will surely prostrate millions of Trumpkins during the next four years.

So far, Trump is:

• "Draining the swamp" and refilling it, not with "regular" people who are bright, but with billionaires. You know that does? It cuts back on lobbyists' influence. You know why? Because the billionaires won't any longer have to pay for lobbyists. "Pay for play" gets cut back too because everyone who was paying will be the ones making the decisions. Imagine all that money that, under Trump, the super rich won't have to spend to get their way. How naive must a person be to think that all these CEOs and self-employed mega-wealthy people will forget what's in their "blind trusts?" Even Ben Carson who is just "regular rich" is going to leave government as a mega rich man.
• Trying to keep parts of O-care. Yea, that's what everyone thought "repeal and replace" meant. Yea, sure. Anyone want to buy a bridge? How about ocean front property in Arizona?
  
  
  
  
  
  
• Not going to pursue indicting Hillary Clinton.
• 1st Amendment: "I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money,” he pledged in February, blowing straight past the First Amendment protections afforded to a free press. When journalist Mark Thompson, on Nov. 22nd, 2016, asked if he was committed to protecting the First Amendment, Trump responded saying, “Actually, somebody said to me on that, they said, ‘You know, it’s a great idea, softening up those laws, but you may get sued a lot more.’ I said, "You know, you’re right, I never thought about that." I said, "You know, I have to start thinking about that."
  
• Immigration Deportation (but not cost efficiency):
  • July 2015: "I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal…A lot of these people are helping us…and sometimes it’s jobs a citizen of the United States doesn’t want to do. I want to move ’em out, and we’re going to move ’em back in and let them be legal."
    • Excuse me? The man really said that. He wants the spend U.S. taxpayer resources to ship illegal immigrants out of the U.S. and then expedite their return. When was the last time you helped your wife rearrange the furniture only to shortly afterwards put it right back where it was? What does the man think he's doing...letting the dog out to take a dump? That's what that process sounds like to me...
      
      That is illustrative of just how absurd that man is. A 15 year old could have figured out that all that is really needed is some paper pushing. An administrative procedure. There's no need to physically move people across the border, which carries its own set of administrative processing that also costs money.
  • Nov. 2015: "You're going to have a deportation force, and you're going to do it humanely. Don't forget, Mika, that you have millions of people that are waiting in line to come into this country and they're waiting to come in legally. And I always say the wall, we're going to build the wall. It's going to be a real deal. It's going to be a real wall."
  • Nov 2015: (Eric Trump) "The point isn’t just deporting them, it’s deporting them and letting them back in legally. He’s been so clear about that and I know the liberal media wants to misconstrue it, but its deporting them and letting them back legally."
  • Aug. 2016: "Within ICE, I am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in America who have evaded justice."

All I know is Trumpkins couldn't tell all thinking all that shit was real was just them having pipe dreams.

We will build the wall. And who's going to pay for it? Mexico! Who? Mexico. 100% I don't mean like 99.2%. I mean 100%.....The wall's going to cost $10B.

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You are correct that we are going to hear just this kind of crap from Democrats for the next four (eight) years because the Democratic Party no longer has anything to offer Americans but anti Trump crap.

That's not saying much when all Trump has said and offers is crap.

Trump has offered a well thought out agenda for growing our economy, securing our borders and repairing the damage Obama has done to our foreign relations. All the Democrats have to offer is anti Trump crap.

 

[danielpalos]

implementation is every thing. in this, it is. and, it is not, limited government; but right wing fantasy on a national and social basis.

Border security is a, if not THE, role of government.

Calling it a right wing fantasy does not make it so.

You have done nothing to support you odd opinion on the subject.

we don't have a border security problem. we are at peace with our neighbors.

The millions of illegals living in the US make your claim a nonsensical lie.

not a border security problem; it is a sloth regarding a Commerce Clause problem.

Millions of people just waltzing across the border is a border security problem. Imagining a possible solution does not mean the problem is not real.


Current reality trumps future hopes.

guns are more of a security problem; our gun control laws prove it.

 

[danielpalos]

Our borders are not in danger. We simply don't have a market friendly visa program that provides for work concessions.

The millions and millions of illegals living here make your statement complete nonsense.

Only in right wing fantasy. We should have millions and millions of dollars from market friendly fees for market friendly visas.

1. The presence of the illegals make a mockery of your claim that our borders are not in danger.

2. "Millions" in fees at the cost of decreased wages and higher crime. That is a policy that the US voters have NEVER agreed to, and now with Trump has ONCE AGAIN strongly rejected.

Build the Wall. Deport the Illegal. Bring back the jobs and wages.

You make it seem like you don't believe in capitalism. Why should I believe your right wing fantasy; instead of one that simply acknowledges socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual?

And you utterly dismiss the very real issues I raised on wages and crime.

This shows that YOUR position is the fantasy hiding from reality.

legal participation in our markets corrects for that.

 

[danielpalos]

implementation is every thing. in this, it is. and, it is not, limited government; but right wing fantasy on a national and social basis.

Border security is a, if not THE, role of government.

Calling it a right wing fantasy does not make it so.

You have done nothing to support you odd opinion on the subject.

we don't have a border security problem. we are at peace with our neighbors.

In fact, we are not at peace with our neighbors. One has only to look at the responses of our neighbors to returning their illicit migrations to see that.

We do have a border security problem. Just ask Kathryn Steinle's father if we have a border security problem.

nope; no formal declaration of war has been enacted. and, our southern neighbor is one of our largest trading partners.

And now you are citing legal fictions to try to dismiss your opponent citing reality.

You are the one operating in a fantasy.

the Only ones engaging in fantasy, are those on the right wing.

 

[Correll]

Border security is a, if not THE, role of government.

Calling it a right wing fantasy does not make it so.

You have done nothing to support you odd opinion on the subject.

we don't have a border security problem. we are at peace with our neighbors.

The millions of illegals living in the US make your claim a nonsensical lie.

not a border security problem; it is a sloth regarding a Commerce Clause problem.

Millions of people just waltzing across the border is a border security problem. Imagining a possible solution does not mean the problem is not real.


Current reality trumps future hopes.

guns are more of a security problem; our gun control laws prove it.

Changing the subject does not change the fact that you have no answer to my point on the border security problem.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The millions and millions of illegals living here make your statement complete nonsense.

Only in right wing fantasy. We should have millions and millions of dollars from market friendly fees for market friendly visas.

1. The presence of the illegals make a mockery of your claim that our borders are not in danger.

2. "Millions" in fees at the cost of decreased wages and higher crime. That is a policy that the US voters have NEVER agreed to, and now with Trump has ONCE AGAIN strongly rejected.

Build the Wall. Deport the Illegal. Bring back the jobs and wages.

You make it seem like you don't believe in capitalism. Why should I believe your right wing fantasy; instead of one that simply acknowledges socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual?

And you utterly dismiss the very real issues I raised on wages and crime.

This shows that YOUR position is the fantasy hiding from reality.

legal participation in our markets corrects for that.

That's fine for people who enter our country legally, but not for people who enter the US illegally.

 

[Correll]

The millions and millions of illegals living here make your statement complete nonsense.

Only in right wing fantasy. We should have millions and millions of dollars from market friendly fees for market friendly visas.

1. The presence of the illegals make a mockery of your claim that our borders are not in danger.

2. "Millions" in fees at the cost of decreased wages and higher crime. That is a policy that the US voters have NEVER agreed to, and now with Trump has ONCE AGAIN strongly rejected.

Build the Wall. Deport the Illegal. Bring back the jobs and wages.

You make it seem like you don't believe in capitalism. Why should I believe your right wing fantasy; instead of one that simply acknowledges socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual?

And you utterly dismiss the very real issues I raised on wages and crime.

This shows that YOUR position is the fantasy hiding from reality.

legal participation in our markets corrects for that.

NO, it doesn't.

The Law of Supply and Demand are not reversed by making illegals, legal, nor does legal citizenship make criminals more law abiding.

My points on wages and crime still stands.

 

[danielpalos]

we don't have a border security problem. we are at peace with our neighbors.

The millions of illegals living in the US make your claim a nonsensical lie.

not a border security problem; it is a sloth regarding a Commerce Clause problem.

Millions of people just waltzing across the border is a border security problem. Imagining a possible solution does not mean the problem is not real.


Current reality trumps future hopes.

guns are more of a security problem; our gun control laws prove it.

Changing the subject does not change the fact that you have no answer to my point on the border security problem.

we don't have a border security problem; we have a lack of regulation regarding migrant labor.

 

[danielpalos]

Only in right wing fantasy. We should have millions and millions of dollars from market friendly fees for market friendly visas.

1. The presence of the illegals make a mockery of your claim that our borders are not in danger.

2. "Millions" in fees at the cost of decreased wages and higher crime. That is a policy that the US voters have NEVER agreed to, and now with Trump has ONCE AGAIN strongly rejected.

Build the Wall. Deport the Illegal. Bring back the jobs and wages.

You make it seem like you don't believe in capitalism. Why should I believe your right wing fantasy; instead of one that simply acknowledges socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual?

And you utterly dismiss the very real issues I raised on wages and crime.

This shows that YOUR position is the fantasy hiding from reality.

legal participation in our markets corrects for that.

That's fine for people who enter our country legally, but not for people who enter the US illegally.

a market friendly visa solves that problem.

 

[danielpalos]

Only in right wing fantasy. We should have millions and millions of dollars from market friendly fees for market friendly visas.

1. The presence of the illegals make a mockery of your claim that our borders are not in danger.

2. "Millions" in fees at the cost of decreased wages and higher crime. That is a policy that the US voters have NEVER agreed to, and now with Trump has ONCE AGAIN strongly rejected.

Build the Wall. Deport the Illegal. Bring back the jobs and wages.

You make it seem like you don't believe in capitalism. Why should I believe your right wing fantasy; instead of one that simply acknowledges socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual?

And you utterly dismiss the very real issues I raised on wages and crime.

This shows that YOUR position is the fantasy hiding from reality.

legal participation in our markets corrects for that.

NO, it doesn't.

The Law of Supply and Demand are not reversed by making illegals, legal, nor does legal citizenship make criminals more law abiding.

My points on wages and crime still stands.

yes, it does. legal participation cannot be bad under any form of capitalism.

 

[toomuchtime_]

1. The presence of the illegals make a mockery of your claim that our borders are not in danger.

2. "Millions" in fees at the cost of decreased wages and higher crime. That is a policy that the US voters have NEVER agreed to, and now with Trump has ONCE AGAIN strongly rejected.

Build the Wall. Deport the Illegal. Bring back the jobs and wages.

You make it seem like you don't believe in capitalism. Why should I believe your right wing fantasy; instead of one that simply acknowledges socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual?

And you utterly dismiss the very real issues I raised on wages and crime.

This shows that YOUR position is the fantasy hiding from reality.

legal participation in our markets corrects for that.

That's fine for people who enter our country legally, but not for people who enter the US illegally.

a market friendly visa solves that problem.

And we have them, but those who enter the US without being vetted or fulfilling an acknowledged need for foreign workers pose a security risk and a drain on our economy.

 

[Correll]

The millions of illegals living in the US make your claim a nonsensical lie.

not a border security problem; it is a sloth regarding a Commerce Clause problem.

Millions of people just waltzing across the border is a border security problem. Imagining a possible solution does not mean the problem is not real.


Current reality trumps future hopes.

guns are more of a security problem; our gun control laws prove it.

Changing the subject does not change the fact that you have no answer to my point on the border security problem.

we don't have a border security problem; we have a lack of regulation regarding migrant labor.

That you think you have the solution to the problem, does not mean the problem does not currently exist.


For you to pretend that it does is deeply dishonest and quite rude of you.


If you truly believe that your opinions are more important than facts, then your issue is more of a medical problem. NO offense meant.

 

[toomuchtime_]

1. The presence of the illegals make a mockery of your claim that our borders are not in danger.

2. "Millions" in fees at the cost of decreased wages and higher crime. That is a policy that the US voters have NEVER agreed to, and now with Trump has ONCE AGAIN strongly rejected.

Build the Wall. Deport the Illegal. Bring back the jobs and wages.

You make it seem like you don't believe in capitalism. Why should I believe your right wing fantasy; instead of one that simply acknowledges socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual?

And you utterly dismiss the very real issues I raised on wages and crime.

This shows that YOUR position is the fantasy hiding from reality.

legal participation in our markets corrects for that.

NO, it doesn't.

The Law of Supply and Demand are not reversed by making illegals, legal, nor does legal citizenship make criminals more law abiding.

My points on wages and crime still stands.

yes, it does. legal participation cannot be bad under any form of capitalism.

If you entered the country illegally you cannot participate in anything legally.

 

[Correll]

1. The presence of the illegals make a mockery of your claim that our borders are not in danger.

2. "Millions" in fees at the cost of decreased wages and higher crime. That is a policy that the US voters have NEVER agreed to, and now with Trump has ONCE AGAIN strongly rejected.

Build the Wall. Deport the Illegal. Bring back the jobs and wages.

You make it seem like you don't believe in capitalism. Why should I believe your right wing fantasy; instead of one that simply acknowledges socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual?

And you utterly dismiss the very real issues I raised on wages and crime.

This shows that YOUR position is the fantasy hiding from reality.

legal participation in our markets corrects for that.

NO, it doesn't.

The Law of Supply and Demand are not reversed by making illegals, legal, nor does legal citizenship make criminals more law abiding.

My points on wages and crime still stands.

yes, it does. legal participation cannot be bad under any form of capitalism.

I did not claim that "legal participation" is bad.

I pointed out that an oversupply of legal labor is just as much a factor in supply and demand as illegal labor.

And criminals, are going to be criminals regardless of legal status. In the vast majority of cases.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Trump has offered a well thought out agenda for growing our economy, securing our borders and repairing the damage Obama has done to our foreign relations.

Well thought out is not an accurate adjectival phrase to use in relation to just about any public policy initiative Trump has mentioned! Read my post. Make sure to key on the quotation marks. You'll see in one case Trump says in response to a question about his libel law modifications, "I have to start thinking about that." That wasn't I saying that; that's what Trump said after he made the announcement. lol Just how much thought does it take to realize that spending to forcibly send people away, only to bring them back, is stupid? Both those pearls of what you apparently presume be prudent are discussed in my post.

 

[danielpalos]

You make it seem like you don't believe in capitalism. Why should I believe your right wing fantasy; instead of one that simply acknowledges socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual?

And you utterly dismiss the very real issues I raised on wages and crime.

This shows that YOUR position is the fantasy hiding from reality.

legal participation in our markets corrects for that.

That's fine for people who enter our country legally, but not for people who enter the US illegally.

a market friendly visa solves that problem.

And we have them, but those who enter the US without being vetted or fulfilling an acknowledged need for foreign workers pose a security risk and a drain on our economy.

a market friendly visa is supposed to make it more convenient to be legal, than to be illegal.

 

[danielpalos]

not a border security problem; it is a sloth regarding a Commerce Clause problem.

Millions of people just waltzing across the border is a border security problem. Imagining a possible solution does not mean the problem is not real.


Current reality trumps future hopes.

guns are more of a security problem; our gun control laws prove it.

Changing the subject does not change the fact that you have no answer to my point on the border security problem.

we don't have a border security problem; we have a lack of regulation regarding migrant labor.

That you think you have the solution to the problem, does not mean the problem does not currently exist.


For you to pretend that it does is deeply dishonest and quite rude of you.


If you truly believe that your opinions are more important than facts, then your issue is more of a medical problem. NO offense meant.

all you have is, more socialism on a national basis.

We have a Commerce Clause.

 

[danielpalos]

You make it seem like you don't believe in capitalism. Why should I believe your right wing fantasy; instead of one that simply acknowledges socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual?

And you utterly dismiss the very real issues I raised on wages and crime.

This shows that YOUR position is the fantasy hiding from reality.

legal participation in our markets corrects for that.

NO, it doesn't.

The Law of Supply and Demand are not reversed by making illegals, legal, nor does legal citizenship make criminals more law abiding.

My points on wages and crime still stands.

yes, it does. legal participation cannot be bad under any form of capitalism.

If you entered the country illegally you cannot participate in anything legally.

a market friendly visa should make that less of a problem.

 

[danielpalos]

You make it seem like you don't believe in capitalism. Why should I believe your right wing fantasy; instead of one that simply acknowledges socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual?

And you utterly dismiss the very real issues I raised on wages and crime.

This shows that YOUR position is the fantasy hiding from reality.

legal participation in our markets corrects for that.

NO, it doesn't.

The Law of Supply and Demand are not reversed by making illegals, legal, nor does legal citizenship make criminals more law abiding.

My points on wages and crime still stands.

yes, it does. legal participation cannot be bad under any form of capitalism.

I did not claim that "legal participation" is bad.

I pointed out that an oversupply of legal labor is just as much a factor in supply and demand as illegal labor.

And criminals, are going to be criminals regardless of legal status. In the vast majority of cases.

doesn't matter; unless you are for more Government and less free market; which is it. no flip-flopping on this one.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I want to build a base on the moon!

I want to keep all the illegals rolling in since they are such positive contributors. Let's briefly chronicle the life of a "dreamer"...haha
Pedro and Guadalupe break in to our country
They drop multiple anchor babies and force American's to pick up the tab
Their anchors get up to 20 years of free schooling (thanks taxpayer)
They receive maximum welfare benefits and housing (thanks taxpayers)
Guadalupe and the anchors get free health care (thanks taxpayer)
They flood emergency rooms at hospitals leaving American's with 6 hour wait times.
Pedro whores himself out and works cash paying jobs for shit money
Guadalupe steals our kids entry level job at McDonalds
They drive uninsured or under insured
They flood our roadways causing ridiculous traffic that affects the quality of life of American's
Pedro drops his trash, couches and old mattresses in open fields
Guadalupe throws dirty diapers on the ground in parking lots and beaches
They only pay taxes on consumables they use cash for....Bud Lights, Raider jerseys, Dodger hats, Tapatio, carne asada, pit bulls, the R.I.P or scorpion sticker on the back window of their cars..etc
Pedro and Guadalupe turn every home and neighborhood they occupy into a total shit hole
Pedro and Guadalupe are ineffective parents in all facets
They allow their young children to walk themselves to school in rough neighborhoods
They tell their families back home how good they have it here and how American's are such suckers...they encourage more to get up here and steal from taxpayers. I think that conversation sounds like this:
"Hey man, you have to send Mariana up here right away...All she has to do is get across the border and have a baby here..it won't cost her a penny...it's all downhill from there homie...you'll get free shit for life...we get more free shit here than American citizens do...hell, American's are fucking suckers; they pay for all my shit including my Bud Lights and pit bulls ese! You don't even have to learn English man...shit, they force their people to learn our Spanish in order to offer us even better services...hahaha...homie you won't believe how stupid these fucking people are...get up here fast ese before someone smart catches on to this shit."

I LOVE MEXICAN ILLEGALS!