We all know you hate labor unions but do you hate collective bargaining itself?

[occupied]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

 

[Si modo]

We all know you hate puppies, but do you hate babies, too?

 

[The Rabbi]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

Do managers have the right to negotiate freely and fire anyone they don't want working for them anymore?

 

[syrenn]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

they have very right to get together and try and bargain all they want. The also have every right to strike and walk off the job to try an force their employer to meet their terms and do as they want...


however.... the employer should ALSO have the right to fire anyone who walks off the job, obstructs others from doing their jobs or preventing anyone from patronizing the employer....and replacing them.

 

[occupied]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

they have very right to get together and try and bargain all they want. The also have every right to strike and walk off the job to try an force their employer to meet their terms and do as they want...


however.... the employer should ALSO have the right to fire anyone who walks off the job, obstructs others from doing their jobs or preventing anyone from patronizing the employer....and replacing them.

That would kind of negate the sole leverage workers have in a strike would it not? So the your answer is no?

 

[blackhawk]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

What is undue retaliation?

 

[The Rabbi]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

they have very right to get together and try and bargain all they want. The also have every right to strike and walk off the job to try an force their employer to meet their terms and do as they want...


however.... the employer should ALSO have the right to fire anyone who walks off the job, obstructs others from doing their jobs or preventing anyone from patronizing the employer....and replacing them.

That would kind of negate the sole leverage workers have in a strike would it not? So the your answer is no?

No, it would not.

Once again, the Left inhabits a world where businesses do not need customers or employees and don't worry about competitors. Poor misinformed fools.

 

[syrenn]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

they have very right to get together and try and bargain all they want. The also have every right to strike and walk off the job to try an force their employer to meet their terms and do as they want...


however.... the employer should ALSO have the right to fire anyone who walks off the job, obstructs others from doing their jobs or preventing anyone from patronizing the employer....and replacing them.

That would kind of negate the sole leverage workers have in a strike would it not? So the your answer is no?

now now... don't put words in my mouth. My answer is YES... they have a right to strike.

however...

actions have consequences..... if you want to walk off the job.... don't expect your job back.

 

[syrenn]

The whole idea of everyone walking off the job is to bring what every the job is.... to a screeching halt.

fine... if they can get an employer to bow to that pressure.... fine.

if not... and an employer digs in and replaces everyone..... then they lost. Pretty simple.

 

[occupied]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

What is undue retaliation?

What do you think is justified retaliation? Chances are they illegal under current labor laws, strikes used to be bloody affairs before the government extended protections to strikers both at the gates of the factory and at the negotiation table yet many seem to have a problem with this policy in the US government and would dismantle the NLRB entirely and the legal power they have to bring strikes to a peaceful conclusion.

 

[AmyNation]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

they have very right to get together and try and bargain all they want. The also have every right to strike and walk off the job to try an force their employer to meet their terms and do as they want...


however.... the employer should ALSO have the right to fire anyone who walks off the job, obstructs others from doing their jobs or preventing anyone from patronizing the employer....and replacing them.

^^^^ this.


They have the right to strike and their employer should have the right to replace them.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

Do managers have the right to negotiate freely and fire anyone they don't want working for them anymore?

yes.

Owners/mgrs have the right to fire for cause or for no reason at all.

Employees have no rights at all.

 

[syrenn]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

What is undue retaliation?

What do you think is justified retaliation? Chances are they illegal under current labor laws, strikes used to be bloody affairs before the government extended protections to strikers both at the gates of the factory and at the negotiation table yet many seem to have a problem with this policy in the US government and would dismantle the NLRB entirely and the legal power they have to bring strikes to a peaceful conclusion.

gotcha... so have an issue with bloody affairs....so do i.

I also take that to mean... firing everyone and replacing them works for you...as that is not a "bloody affair"

 

[syrenn]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

Do managers have the right to negotiate freely and fire anyone they don't want working for them anymore?

yes.

Owners/mgrs have the right to fire for cause or for no reason at all.

Employees have no rights at all.

walking off your job as far as i am concerned.... is very just cause for instant termination.

 

[occupied]

they have very right to get together and try and bargain all they want. The also have every right to strike and walk off the job to try an force their employer to meet their terms and do as they want...


however.... the employer should ALSO have the right to fire anyone who walks off the job, obstructs others from doing their jobs or preventing anyone from patronizing the employer....and replacing them.

That would kind of negate the sole leverage workers have in a strike would it not? So the your answer is no?

now now... don't put words in my mouth. My answer is YES... they have a right to strike.

however...

actions have consequences..... if you want to walk off the job.... don't expect your job back.

As just firing strikers without due process or an honest attempt to negotiate is illegal I must still assume your answer is that workers do not have this right in the sense that they should be protected by law.

 

[AmyNation]

Employees should not have the right to hold employers hostage to their demands.

 

[alan1]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

Only a sad-sack would want somebody else to determine their worth to their employer.

 

[blackhawk]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

What is undue retaliation?

What do you think is justified retaliation? Chances are they illegal under current labor laws, strikes used to be bloody affairs before the government extended protections to strikers both at the gates of the factory and at the negotiation table yet many seem to have a problem with this policy in the US government and would dismantle the NLRB entirely and the legal power they have to bring strikes to a peaceful conclusion.

I think if a strike goes on for so long the employer should have the right to fire people as another poster stated employees have the right to strike and try and get what they want through that process but there are consequences and risk to doing that. I think employers should have some choices other than bend over and take it up the ass I would say if the two sides could not reach a deal on their own have a third party come in mediate and if a deal still can 't be done tell the employer they can let them go and hire new people but they will have to pay them some kind of compensation package to be determined by the mediator.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That would kind of negate the sole leverage workers have in a strike would it not? So the your answer is no?

now now... don't put words in my mouth. My answer is YES... they have a right to strike.

however...

actions have consequences..... if you want to walk off the job.... don't expect your job back.

As just firing strikers without due process or an honest attempt to negotiate is illegal I must still assume your answer is that workers do not have this right in the sense that they should be protected by law.

Due process does not apply, the only way it would apply to strikers is if they were in court facing criminal charges.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Just curious about this, not looking for the same old rant about unions being selfish or corrupt but an exploration of a right (collective bargaining) that did not always exist and seems to be in greater peril than ever. To be specific: Do American workers have the right to collectively bargain, to strike if unsuccessful, and to be protected from undue retaliation under the law?

The First Amendment right to freely assemble (form/join a union, engage in collective bargaining) and the First Amendment right to engage in free expression (strike) have always existed, the issue has been the recognition and acknowledgement of those rights by employers.

Going on strike as a member of a lawfully recognized union is not ‘quitting’ or ‘walking off the job,’ and it’s incumbent upon employers to at least make a good faith effort to resolve issues before terminating or replacing workers.