Waterboarding, Are you liberals that hypocritical and just downright DUMB?

[Sallow]

You applaud Obama "getting Bin Ladin" out of one side of your mouths and condemn waterboarding out of the other side of your mouths?

How stupid is that? How do you think Obama GOT Osama? Bin Ladin just gave himself up? NO! We got the intel FROM WATERBOARDING!!!!



Osama bin Laden killed: CIA admits waterboarding yielded vital information - Telegraph

You libs can't have it both ways! You can't applaud Obama getting Osama THEN condemn the Republican position on waterboarding at the same time.

Pretty DAMN STUPID to make waterboarding an issue in the election, because that just brings back WHY we have waterboarding.

BECAUSE OF ISSUES LIKE 9/11!

Remember how many people died on 9/11 because Clinton made getting intel so difficult? Like putting walls between the agencies and rules like you can't use informers that were former terrorrists?

There's a reason why many people lay 9/11 on Clinton's doormat. Because it was HIS policies about collecting intel that made 9/11 possible.

And it was BUSH'S change in those rules about collecting intel, INCLUDING WATERBOARDING that got Bin Ladin, and has kept another 9/11 from happening until this day.

But then, we KNOW why you libs really condemn wateboarding. BECAUSE IT PROVES BUSH IS THE ONE THAT GOT BIN LADIN. It was HIS methods of collecting intel that got us the information to take that SOB out.

Even the CIA Chief admits that.

If Obama and you libs had your way, there would have been no waterboarding and Bin Ladin would still be out there.

Pretty stupid libs. Keep bringing back these issues to the voter's mind.

2012 is coming!

Not true! Apparently you didn't read the Michele Bachmann waterboarding thread. Panetta told John McCain that waterboarding had NOTHING to do with finding Osama bin Laden. Damn, you Tea-Tards are too easy.

Yeah, damn us Tea party people because we won't let you libs lie about this.

In the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here," he told NBC News. "It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got. I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees."

The White House and its Capitol Hill allies had earlier been at pains to state that such techniques, used under the Bush administration but banned by Mr Obama as amounting to torture, had not played a part in yielding significant information.


Mr Panetta's admission lays Mr Obama open to politically explosive claims that bin Laden would not have been killed had it not been for the use of those techniques by the Bush administration.

Osama bin Laden killed: CIA admits waterboarding yielded vital information - Telegraph

Keep lying libs.

Which brings a to full circle a reflection of your abilities to analyze anything. From what I understand KSM gave a codename of a courier during an session where no waterboarding had been used. In fact..it had been stopped. You can argue that because he had been waterboarded months before there was a fear it would happen again..but even that is pretty weak.

In any case..even if it was "effective", it is prohibited by the Constitution, which conservatives choose to keep ignoring when it suits their purposes.

 

[teapartysamurai]

What has that got to do with the FACT that it got Bin Ladin?

NOTHING!

It's just more liberals in government against waterboarding, and it does NOTHING to refute the fact that intel got Bin Ladin.

I think we see who is behind the times.

You libs still want to live in the days of Clinton when we couldn't collect such intel.

The libs are NEVER going to admit your right. Trying to convince them of anything is a huge waste of time, they'll just respond with crap like this which means nothing. I don't know if it's pride or stupidity - but no matter what proof is given them they won't let themselves agree. The only reason i can come up with is they all side with the terrorists. Doesn't matter that the terrorists would do ten times worse things to us if we were taken prisoner.

Would you like to discuss which one of us has a political ideology that is closer to that of the "terrorists"?

The OP contained no proof. It was an article discussing a moment of speculation by the former CIA Director. The article even stated that there is no way of determining if NOT USING WATERBOARDING would have yielded a different result.

Waterboarding is torture. We do not torture people.

The OP contained plenty proof. You just don't LIKE what he has to say.

And who is "WE?"

I wasn't aware you spoke for the entire country on this.

(Typical of liberals, he really thinks he does speak for the country)

 

[Lakhota]

Well, if you believe McCain and Panetta, waterboarding had nothing to do with finding bin Laden.

By Senator John McCain

I asked CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and he told me the following: The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden — as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda.

In fact, the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on Khalid Sheik Mohammed produced false and misleading information. He specifically told his interrogators that Abu Ahmed had moved to Peshawar, got married and ceased his role as an al-Qaeda facilitator — none of which was true. According to the staff of the Senate intelligence committee, the best intelligence gained from a CIA detainee — information describing Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti’s real role in al-Qaeda and his true relationship to bin Laden — was obtained through standard, noncoercive means.

More: Bin Laden's death and the debate over torture - The Washington Post

 

[teapartysamurai]

Not true! Apparently you didn't read the Michele Bachmann waterboarding thread. Panetta told John McCain that waterboarding had NOTHING to do with finding Osama bin Laden. Damn, you Tea-Tards are too easy.

Yeah, damn us Tea party people because we won't let you libs lie about this.

In the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here," he told NBC News. "It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got. I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees."

The White House and its Capitol Hill allies had earlier been at pains to state that such techniques, used under the Bush administration but banned by Mr Obama as amounting to torture, had not played a part in yielding significant information.


Mr Panetta's admission lays Mr Obama open to politically explosive claims that bin Laden would not have been killed had it not been for the use of those techniques by the Bush administration.

Osama bin Laden killed: CIA admits waterboarding yielded vital information - Telegraph

Keep lying libs.

Which brings a to full circle a reflection of your abilities to analyze anything. From what I understand KSM gave a codename of a courier during an session where no waterboarding had been used. In fact..it had been stopped. You can argue that because he had been waterboarded months before there was a fear it would happen again..but even that is pretty weak.

In any case..even if it was "effective", it is prohibited by the Constitution, which conservatives choose to keep ignoring when it suits their purposes.

BWAHAHAAA!

Please show me where it says in the Constitution that waterboarding is banned.

This I can't wait to see!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Well, if you believe McCain and Panetta, waterboarding had nothing to do with finding bin Laden.

By Senator John McCain

I asked CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and he told me the following: The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden — as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda.

In fact, the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on Khalid Sheik Mohammed produced false and misleading information. He specifically told his interrogators that Abu Ahmed had moved to Peshawar, got married and ceased his role as an al-Qaeda facilitator — none of which was true. According to the staff of the Senate intelligence committee, the best intelligence gained from a CIA detainee — information describing Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti’s real role in al-Qaeda and his true relationship to bin Laden — was obtained through standard, noncoercive means.

More: Bin Laden's death and the debate over torture - The Washington Post

Again that is McCain claiming that.

But, the op has Panetta's direct quote, NOT McCain claiming what Panetta said.

Nice try.

 

[Mr.Nick]

You applaud Obama "getting Bin Ladin" out of one side of your mouths and condemn waterboarding out of the other side of your mouths?

How stupid is that? How do you think Obama GOT Osama? Bin Ladin just gave himself up? NO! We got the intel FROM WATERBOARDING!!!!



Osama bin Laden killed: CIA admits waterboarding yielded vital information - Telegraph

You libs can't have it both ways! You can't applaud Obama getting Osama THEN condemn the Republican position on waterboarding at the same time.

Pretty DAMN STUPID to make waterboarding an issue in the election, because that just brings back WHY we have waterboarding.

BECAUSE OF ISSUES LIKE 9/11!

Remember how many people died on 9/11 because Clinton made getting intel so difficult? Like putting walls between the agencies and rules like you can't use informers that were former terrorrists?

There's a reason why many people lay 9/11 on Clinton's doormat. Because it was HIS policies about collecting intel that made 9/11 possible.

And it was BUSH'S change in those rules about collecting intel, INCLUDING WATERBOARDING that got Bin Ladin, and has kept another 9/11 from happening until this day.

But then, we KNOW why you libs really condemn wateboarding. BECAUSE IT PROVES BUSH IS THE ONE THAT GOT BIN LADIN. It was HIS methods of collecting intel that got us the information to take that SOB out.

Even the CIA Chief admits that.

If Obama and you libs had your way, there would have been no waterboarding and Bin Ladin would still be out there.

Pretty stupid libs. Keep bringing back these issues to the voter's mind.

2012 is coming!

They're not Liberals they're progressive socialists....

They have no standards - as a matter of fact they defy all standards. They only use the Bill of Rights when it is convenient for them to do such.

"Liberals" should be put in concentration camps because they're de facto tyrants....

Um, I wouldn't go that far.

I don't want to jail them. That's what liberals want to do with conservatives.

I want to DEFEAT THEM in the arena of ideas.

Which brings us back to why liberals want to silence us and jail us. Because we DO defeat them in the arena of ideas.

Move to Chicago and you will feel differently.

When progressives rip you off and gloat about ripping you off then implement more ways to rip you off while they gloat again while openly acknowledging voter fraud and illegal immigration as the reason they're in power to rip you off while progressives cheer on you will have a different perspective....

That's why the sissy tyrant dems from Wisconsin ran to Illinois... They didn't go to Iowa, Minnesota or Missouri - they fled to Illinois..

They belong in a camp because their views are anti-democratic and certainly anti-Bill of Rights...

Republicans need to accept those facts...

Progressives belong in prison and charges of treason.... Their hatred of the Second Amendment is all the evidence we need to camp them...

 

[Mr.Nick]

Progressives want to force YOU to live under their authoritarian socioeconomic standards and want YOU to fund it all and those democrats in power are happy to steal from you and give it to them as long as they keep power...

Wisconsin and Walker is a fantastic example of my assertion and the progressive knee-jerk reaction to individualism....

 

[LoneLaugher]

Mr. Nick,

Has anyone on the right ever suggested that you might be a wee bit extreme?

 

[Sallow]

BWAHAHAAA!

Please show me where it says in the Constitution that waterboarding is banned.

This I can't wait to see!

There are several amendments pertinent to this issue:

Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.


Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Mr. Nick,

Has anyone on the right ever suggested that you might be a wee bit extreme?

I'm not extreme - I'm logical...

You cant use freedom to justify communism or authoritarian rule, and that is exactly what is happening..

If you don't acknowledge the progression, the manipulation of society and brainwashing of children to further push the progressive agenda then that is your fault...

Unlike most persuaded idiots I don't drift - my feet are planted and have been planted as a libertarian for a decade now - I've watched you drift left and left and left while I've held strong...

I've stayed true to the Bill of Rights and the constitution - progressives and the neo-cons have not.....

 

[paperview]

...

I've stayed true to the Bill of Rights and the constitution - progressives and the neo-cons have not.....

He said, without a hint of irony, as he calls for his political opponents to be put in concentration camps.

 

[Cowman]

You applaud Obama "getting Bin Ladin" out of one side of your mouths and condemn waterboarding out of the other side of your mouths?

How stupid is that? How do you think Obama GOT Osama? Bin Ladin just gave himself up? NO! We got the intel FROM WATERBOARDING!!!!

Osama bin Laden killed: CIA admits waterboarding yielded vital information

Leon Panetta, the CIA director, has confirmed that controversial "enhanced interrogation techniques" such as waterboarding yielded some of the intelligence information that ultimately led to Osama bin Laden.

Osama bin Laden killed: CIA admits waterboarding yielded vital information - Telegraph

You libs can't have it both ways! You can't applaud Obama getting Osama THEN condemn the Republican position on waterboarding at the same time.

Pretty DAMN STUPID to make waterboarding an issue in the election, because that just brings back WHY we have waterboarding.

BECAUSE OF ISSUES LIKE 9/11!

Remember how many people died on 9/11 because Clinton made getting intel so difficult? Like putting walls between the agencies and rules like you can't use informers that were former terrorrists?

There's a reason why many people lay 9/11 on Clinton's doormat. Because it was HIS policies about collecting intel that made 9/11 possible.

And it was BUSH'S change in those rules about collecting intel, INCLUDING WATERBOARDING that got Bin Ladin, and has kept another 9/11 from happening until this day.

But then, we KNOW why you libs really condemn wateboarding. BECAUSE IT PROVES BUSH IS THE ONE THAT GOT BIN LADIN. It was HIS methods of collecting intel that got us the information to take that SOB out.

Even the CIA Chief admits that.

If Obama and you libs had your way, there would have been no waterboarding and Bin Ladin would still be out there.

Pretty stupid libs. Keep bringing back these issues to the voter's mind.

2012 is coming!

They're not Liberals they're progressive socialists....

They have no standards - as a matter of fact they defy all standards. They only use the Bill of Rights when it is convenient for them to do such.

"Liberals" should be put in concentration camps because they're de facto tyrants....

Adolf? Is that you? Liberals were among the selected types put into concentration camps by the SS.

I hate to invoke Godwin's Law, but you've really done it yourself.

 

[Mr.Nick]

...

I've stayed true to the Bill of Rights and the constitution - progressives and the neo-cons have not.....

He said, without a hint of irony, as he calls for his political opponents to be put in concentration camps.

I did and I'm not being ironic...

How can one oppose any of our first ten Amendments and not be a tyrant?

I realize I'm certainly being authoritarian in my ideas and that absolutely could appear as a conflict with libertarian ideology, however attempting to ban Constitutional rights is tyranny and I have a responsibility to myself, a document and 300,000,000 Americans.....

It's very complicated but I stand with what I said and can understand why a person may find what I'm saying is hypocritical or extreme...

 

[Mr.Nick]

You applaud Obama "getting Bin Ladin" out of one side of your mouths and condemn waterboarding out of the other side of your mouths?

How stupid is that? How do you think Obama GOT Osama? Bin Ladin just gave himself up? NO! We got the intel FROM WATERBOARDING!!!!



Osama bin Laden killed: CIA admits waterboarding yielded vital information - Telegraph

You libs can't have it both ways! You can't applaud Obama getting Osama THEN condemn the Republican position on waterboarding at the same time.

Pretty DAMN STUPID to make waterboarding an issue in the election, because that just brings back WHY we have waterboarding.

BECAUSE OF ISSUES LIKE 9/11!

Remember how many people died on 9/11 because Clinton made getting intel so difficult? Like putting walls between the agencies and rules like you can't use informers that were former terrorrists?

There's a reason why many people lay 9/11 on Clinton's doormat. Because it was HIS policies about collecting intel that made 9/11 possible.

And it was BUSH'S change in those rules about collecting intel, INCLUDING WATERBOARDING that got Bin Ladin, and has kept another 9/11 from happening until this day.

But then, we KNOW why you libs really condemn wateboarding. BECAUSE IT PROVES BUSH IS THE ONE THAT GOT BIN LADIN. It was HIS methods of collecting intel that got us the information to take that SOB out.

Even the CIA Chief admits that.

If Obama and you libs had your way, there would have been no waterboarding and Bin Ladin would still be out there.

Pretty stupid libs. Keep bringing back these issues to the voter's mind.

2012 is coming!

They're not Liberals they're progressive socialists....

They have no standards - as a matter of fact they defy all standards. They only use the Bill of Rights when it is convenient for them to do such.

"Liberals" should be put in concentration camps because they're de facto tyrants....

Adolf? Is that you? Liberals were among the selected types put into concentration camps by the SS.

I hate to invoke Godwin's Law, but you've really done it yourself.

Don't even try it......

Not to mention you just proved that progressives are communists - you just labeled them as such by asserting I was "Hitler." You want a schooling on WWII or WWI dummy?

You want to see Hitler in action move to Chicago. Jesse Jackson Jr. will rob your bootie and take your lootie..........

 

[Cowman]

They're not Liberals they're progressive socialists....

They have no standards - as a matter of fact they defy all standards. They only use the Bill of Rights when it is convenient for them to do such.

"Liberals" should be put in concentration camps because they're de facto tyrants....

Adolf? Is that you? Liberals were among the selected types put into concentration camps by the SS.

I hate to invoke Godwin's Law, but you've really done it yourself.

Don't even try it......

Not to mention you just proved that progressives are communists - you just labeled them as such by asserting I was "Hitler."

You want to see Hitler in action move to Chicago. Jesse Jackson Jr. will rob your bootie and take your lootie..........

Yes. Communists too were put into concentration camps by individuals who expressed similar emotions as you. Communists and liberals were two distinctly separate groups put into those camps however, so who said anything about progressives are communists? Some progressives might be communists, but most typically aren't.

You're not very knowledgeable, are you?

 

[Full-Auto]

Adolf? Is that you? Liberals were among the selected types put into concentration camps by the SS.

I hate to invoke Godwin's Law, but you've really done it yourself.

Don't even try it......

Not to mention you just proved that progressives are communists - you just labeled them as such by asserting I was "Hitler."

You want to see Hitler in action move to Chicago. Jesse Jackson Jr. will rob your bootie and take your lootie..........

Yes. Communists too were put into concentration camps by individuals who expressed similar emotions as you. Communists and liberals were two distinctly separate groups put into those camps however, so who said anything about progressives are communists? Some progressives might be communists, but most typically aren't.

You're not very knowledgeable, are you?

How do you prove that one way or the other? A survey?

 

[G.T.]

Mr. Nick,

Has anyone on the right ever suggested that you might be a wee bit extreme?

You cant use freedom to justify communism or authoritarian rule, and that is exactly what is happening..

.

Umm, that's EXACTLY what you'd be DOING....if you put people in camps, ya ugly assed dipshit.

 

[G.T.]

...

I've stayed true to the Bill of Rights and the constitution - progressives and the neo-cons have not.....

He said, without a hint of irony, as he calls for his political opponents to be put in concentration camps.

Of course, these points all fly over the kook's extremist-minded cranium.

 

[Sallow]

Don't even try it......

Not to mention you just proved that progressives are communists - you just labeled them as such by asserting I was "Hitler."

You want to see Hitler in action move to Chicago. Jesse Jackson Jr. will rob your bootie and take your lootie..........

Yes. Communists too were put into concentration camps by individuals who expressed similar emotions as you. Communists and liberals were two distinctly separate groups put into those camps however, so who said anything about progressives are communists? Some progressives might be communists, but most typically aren't.

You're not very knowledgeable, are you?

How do you prove that one way or the other? A survey?

It's pretty well known history. Not to mention the fact that, suprisingly, Germany attacked Russia for no apparent reason. They were in fact, allies.

 

[Full-Auto]

Yes. Communists too were put into concentration camps by individuals who expressed similar emotions as you. Communists and liberals were two distinctly separate groups put into those camps however, so who said anything about progressives are communists? Some progressives might be communists, but most typically aren't.

You're not very knowledgeable, are you?

How do you prove that one way or the other? A survey?

It's pretty well known history. Not to mention the fact that, suprisingly, Germany attacked Russia for no apparent reason. They were in fact, allies.

Now if that was what I was asking, I might have been thankful