Watching History Repeat Itself

[Mr.Fitnah]

but it does seem to be.."never again to us"....i am certianly not pro israel....but do i see this coming to the point of repeating history...no.

the me is a rock and hard place. you have many peoples claiming the same holy grounds...each willing to die for the land they hold or wish to hold. israel has fought for its existence since it began. they have developed a seige mentality and who can blame them? but this has become their weakness ....hamas and the arabs know a simple nip at the heels of israel will bring a major reaction....this peace floatilla is a prime example of that. as with the embargos.....the problem...after a while people forget what bitches the underdog is...and strart siding with them....they are being starved etc...but people forget why it all began.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/120349-gaza-blocks-aid-shipment.html:eusa_whistle:

 

[Bfgrn]

actions and responses.

Anti-semitism has been building in Europe for decades, the US now is quickly catching up-from the top, down. Same with 'blame the rich,' really I guess that's just code for the Jews and their 'lackeys.' Just like then, it's weird to see how many Jews join in on the bash Israel bandwagon, guess they think it's enlightened? (((shrug)))

Loss of jobs, loss of land values, credit tightening, helplessness. Someone must be blamed.


Walter Russell Mead's Blog - The American Interest

Interesting...these revisionist historian war mongers like Mead can't resist liberal bashing, even when it is conservatives he should be bashing.

 

[AllieBaba]

history? the history that doesnt matter....after all i am told time and time again that the uss liberty...doesnt matter....it was too many years ago blah blah blah...

neither side cares about peace....when americans realize this and stop paying both sides for a peace that will never be....perhaps then they will truly need peace.

What the left doesn't grasp is IT ISN'T ABOUT PEACE. It's about freedom, and you cannot maintain freedom without war because there are ALWAYS people who want to trample it.

 

[Jack Fate]

history? the history that doesnt matter....after all i am told time and time again that the uss liberty...doesnt matter....it was too many years ago blah blah blah...

neither side cares about peace....when americans realize this and stop paying both sides for a peace that will never be....perhaps then they will truly need peace.

What the left doesn't grasp is IT ISN'T ABOUT PEACE. It's about freedom, and you cannot maintain freedom without war because there are ALWAYS people who want to trample it.

Exactly. That is what they do not get. Peace is attained through strength. Ronald Reagan knew that and that is why the left hates him. Liberals have been proven wrong time after time, but every generation has to learn the lesson for themselves.

 

[boedicca]

I have to disagree. The problem grows through institutionalization of the prejudices, through media, then officials. In this country the election of those that look to Europe and 'religious' leaders for guidance on this particular issue stand squarely with the elite of the past. We're heading for the same disastrous results if changes aren't made.

Indeed we are. A large portion of the leadership in the U.S. sympathizes with and provides and comfort to those who are intent on destroying Western Civilization. Utopian Ideals of Peace are actually a suicide pact when faced with an enemy that doesn't share them.

 

[Foxfyre]

We in the USA have been blessed by leaders who so abhored war that they devoted a great deal of time and effort to ensure that America would be so strong that nobody would dare attack her. In the process, many other countries are so confident that the USA would take it personally if they are attacked, they can devote much less of their GDP to their own defense than we devote to ours.

I wish we could be as certain they would come to our defense. But there is no such assurance.

Meanwhile there is one irrefutable fact that many simply will not acknowledge.

If Hamas, Hezbollah and other Islamic leaders, along with those who fund and equip them, would acknowledge Israel's right to exist, would lay down their arms, and pledge no more attacks and that those who broke the peace would be dealt with severely. . . if they did that, peace would come to the Middle East.

If Israel unilaterally laid down its arms and pledged no more war, Israel would cease to exist within weeks if not hours.

 

[ErikViking]

What the left doesn't grasp is IT ISN'T ABOUT PEACE. It's about freedom, and you cannot maintain freedom without war because there are ALWAYS people who want to trample it.

"Freedom" and "maintain freedom"... It sounds good and all, but we live in a world where the assets are ditributed in a very uneven fashion. Some people can't go to war over freedom. They can't even go to war over clean drinking water. So we will have to look out for eachothers freedom. War in this context is just the utter failiure of spreading compassion and understanding.

If Hamas, Hezbollah and other Islamic leaders, along with those who fund and equip them, would acknowledge Israel's right to exist, would lay down their arms, and pledge no more attacks and that those who broke the peace would be dealt with severely. . . if they did that, peace would come to the Middle East.

Most likley. But would they be free?

If Israel unilaterally laid down its arms and pledged no more war, Israel would cease to exist within weeks if not hours.

Most likley.

 

[JW Frogen]

If you keep watching history repeat itself does it all start over again?

 

[JW Frogen]

Sort of like the world plauge of Three and a Half Men repeats?

 

[Foxfyre]

What the left doesn't grasp is IT ISN'T ABOUT PEACE. It's about freedom, and you cannot maintain freedom without war because there are ALWAYS people who want to trample it.

"Freedom" and "maintain freedom"... It sounds good and all, but we live in a world where the assets are ditributed in a very uneven fashion. Some people can't go to war over freedom. They can't even go to war over clean drinking water. So we will have to look out for eachothers freedom. War in this context is just the utter failiure of spreading compassion and understanding.

If Hamas, Hezbollah and other Islamic leaders, along with those who fund and equip them, would acknowledge Israel's right to exist, would lay down their arms, and pledge no more attacks and that those who broke the peace would be dealt with severely. . . if they did that, peace would come to the Middle East.

Most likley. But would they be free?

If Israel unilaterally laid down its arms and pledged no more war, Israel would cease to exist within weeks if not hours.

Most likley.

I believe they would be. The Palestinians have had numerous opportunities to agree to their own homeland and live in peace with Israel and they have rejected every opportunity. Nobody wants the Palestinians any more than anybody wants the Israelis. And nobody in the Arab world is going to help the Palestinians in any way other than to arm them to attack Israel. The Palestinians are too useful as a propaganda tool to generate world opinion against Israel. Just as are their own women and children that they intentionally put in harms way.

The Arab (mostly Palestinian) people that comprise about 20% of Israel's population are full citizens with all rights and do quite nicely. Israel must of course retain a substantial majority of Jews and those sympathatic to the Jews in order to sustain itself, but there is absolutely no reason to believe that Palestinians living next door in peace would be bothered or molested or embargoed or closed off in any way any more than are peaceful Palestinians that are Israeli citizens.

But when you have people that with deadly regularity send suicide bombers into Israeli schools and markets, who set booby traps, who kidnap, torture, and behead their Israeli victims, who lob rocket after rocket into civiliian neighborhood hoping to kill any Israeli--man, woman, grandma, baby, whoever--then yeah, Israel has ever right to do whatever it has to do to stop that kind of insanity no matter how much that offends those who hate Israel.

Should the Palestinians lay down their arms and pledge to live in peace with Israel, and Israel did not become good neighbors to the Palestinians, then Israel would have a problem with me.

Right now, Israel has every right to not allow itself to be kidnapped, tortured, or blown to bits.