Washington Post needs to sell more papers?

[JIHADTHIS]

So this morning the Washington Post is trumpeting "more exclusive pics and video from Abu Ghraib"

When is enough enough?

We all know what happened.

We all have seen the "old" pics day in and day out.

What purpose is there in keeping this as the main story of the day?

And more importantly, how do they keep getting "classified" info?

:firing: :firing:

 

[DKSuddeth]

because new stories of abuse come out every day. a week ago, did we know that prisoners were being punched and kicked or ridden like horses? a week ago did we know that soldiers were posing with the corpses of prisoners that had died during interrogations? Instead of whining and complaining about how the media continues to drag this shit out on a daily basis, why don't you push for one massive release of all the photos's videos', and statements of investigation and then we can punish all of those guilty (because we know its way more than just 7 people involved) and that way its all over with.

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
because new stories of abuse come out every day. a week ago, did we know that prisoners were being punched and kicked or ridden like horses? a week ago did we know that soldiers were posing with the corpses of prisoners that had died during interrogations? Instead of whining and complaining about how the media continues to drag this shit out on a daily basis, why don't you push for one massive release of all the photos's videos', and statements of investigation and then we can punish all of those guilty (because we know its way more than just 7 people involved) and that way its all over with.

Frankly, if you were watching the news when this all came out, we did know that they were posing with dead bodies, etc. (I saw those photos on fox a long time ago). Also, by publishing (releasing) the photos, we are violating the Geneva Convention. The media is trying to have it both ways....

The info is out there. The media is the one that is releasing it in dribs and drabs. They want to drag this out as long as they can.

 

[remie]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
...Instead of whining and complaining about how the media continues to drag this shit out on a daily basis, why don't you push for one massive release of all the photos's videos', and statements of investigation and then we can punish all of those guilty (because we know its way more than just 7 people involved) and that way its all over with.

I am all for the release of everything BECAUSE if they are not, the media will continue to dribble out a picture or two every few days to keep the story alive right up to the election. IMO anyone who thinks the release of info by in the manner that they are releasing it is not politically motivated is mistaken.

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
because new stories of abuse come out every day. a week ago, did we know that prisoners were being punched and kicked or ridden like horses? a week ago did we know that soldiers were posing with the corpses of prisoners that had died during interrogations? Instead of whining and complaining about how the media continues to drag this shit out on a daily basis, why don't you push for one massive release of all the photos's videos', and statements of investigation and then we can punish all of those guilty (because we know its way more than just 7 people involved) and that way its all over with.

It's pretty obvious to anybody what kind of stuff went on there. If you can't fill in the blanks without the pictures, I can't help you there. What purpose would releasing all of the pictures serve? Everything that has come out so far has been leaked according to the Geneva Conventions. And why does this all have to be tried in the court of "public opinion"? What more do you want? It's being investigated. I'll stop whining now.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by JIHADTHIS
It's pretty obvious to anybody what kind of stuff went on there. If you can't fill in the blanks without the pictures, I can't help you there. What purpose would releasing all of the pictures serve? Everything that has come out so far has been leaked according to the Geneva Conventions. And why does this all have to be tried in the court of "public opinion"? What more do you want? It's being investigated. I'll stop whining now.

It might have something to do with the pundits doing nothing but calling these 'frat pranks' or hazings. prisoners were killed over there and so far the only thing I've heard about punishment was the guy got reduced in rank and a discharge. thats a pretty light sentence for murder. Maybe if the full scope of what happened was actually acknowledged instead of glossed over as 'a few individuals' then the media really wouldn't have anything to be grandiose about.

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by remie
I am all for the release of everything BECAUSE if they are not, the media will continue to dribble out a picture or two every few days to keep the story alive right up to the election. IMO anyone who thinks the release of info by in the manner that they are releasing it is not politically motivated is mistaken.

Actually I think you are mistaken. The post releases the photo's and statements as they get them. Where do you think they are coming from? Do you think they have a stack of them in a big safe in the basement?

More to the point, the sadistic, cruel and inhumane treatment of prisoners in the custody of the US military was not carried out to influence the election. If the chaotic mess in Iraq costs dubya the election, so be it. He make the bed.

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
It might have something to do with the pundits doing nothing but calling these 'frat pranks' or hazings. prisoners were killed over there and so far the only thing I've heard about punishment was the guy got reduced in rank and a discharge. thats a pretty light sentence for murder. Maybe if the full scope of what happened was actually acknowledged instead of glossed over as 'a few individuals' then the media really wouldn't have anything to be grandiose about.

The reality as I see it is this:

The abuse happened. It was reported and investigations were started. In January, the press and the public was told this happened. All was quiet until CBS decided to air their piece including the photos. Then the proverbial shit hit the fan. 1 soldier was court marshalled and others have been charged. The investigation is ongoing. It's not over yet.

I don't think the photos should have been released at that point in time. Maybe later on, but not while the invesigation was ongoing. What was the motivation for someone leaking the photos to CBS? It had to have been political by someone who is "anti-war". What other rational reason is there? The same goes for the new crop of photos and videos that the Post is running now. This side of the story is purely political.

As for Rush and his "frat boy" take on it, there is no defense to that. While he has some good points occasionally, he looks like a real ass for saying that. The government bungled this whole thing from the time CBS aired the photos.

 

[remie]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
Actually I think you are mistaken. The post releases the photo's and statements as they get them. Where do you think they are coming from? Do you think they have a stack of them in a big safe in the basement?

Do you know this for a fact? Where do YOU think they are coming from?

More to the point, the sadistic, cruel and inhumane treatment of prisoners in the custody of the US military was not carried out to influence the election. If the chaotic mess in Iraq costs dubya the election, so be it. He make the bed.

I have heard very few defend the physical treatment of the prisoners including our president. As far as it costing him the election.....dont you wish.

 

[freeandfun1]

There has only been one person court-matialed up to this point. He as sentenced to a year in prison, reduced in rank and given a dishonorable discharge.

Baghdad, May 19 (Reuters): A tearful US soldier was sentenced to a year in jail today after confessing he and colleagues abused Iraqi prisoners in a scandal that threatens to undermine President George W. Bush’s re-election chances.

Military policeman Jeremy Sivits, who apologised to Iraqis at the first court martial of soldiers accused of abuses that sparked worldwide outrage, was also expelled from the army.

The court imposed a maximum sentence on Sivits but it was not enough for protesters outside Abu Ghraib prison, scene of the scandal that erupted when pictures were published of naked and terrified Iraqi inmates being abused and sexually humiliated.

“It’s a kangaroo court, set up just to placate Iraqis,” said Hala Azzawi, mother of one of some 3,000 Iraqis held at the jail near Baghdad, notorious as Sadam Hussein’s torture centre. “I wish they would get death, it’s less than they deserve.”

Sivits, a 24-year-old reservist with the rank of Specialist, pointed the finger at others, against whom he will testify under a plea bargain, over the abuses. Chief among them was Specialist Charles Graner who, Sivits said, pulled out a camera after stamping on naked prisoners.

Sivits, who faced the lightest charges of seven US soldiers accused so far, admitted pushing a prisoner into a now infamous picture of a pile of naked Iraqis.

Three more US guards at the prison were arraigned on more serious charges as the abuse scandal and guerrilla violence increased pressure on Washington to hand over real power to Iraqis along with formal sovereignty on June 30.

Graner, Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederick and Sergeant Javal Davis all deferred pleas at quickfire hearings and will appear again on June 21.

US officials have said the abuses were confined to a small group of guards at Abu Ghraib, although the International Committee of the Red Cross and Amnesty International say abuse was more systematic and widespread.

But General John Abizaid, head of US Central Command, suggested today that mistreatment was more extensive than previously acknowledged, saying the military had investigated 75 cases of abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan since late 2002.

“I think the question before us (is): is there a systemic abuse problem with regard to interrogation that exists in the Central Command area of operations?” he told a Senate hearing.

The scandal has battered the image of the US across the Arab world and prompted loud calls from around the globe for Washington to hand over real power to Iraqis. Even close US allies over Iraq joined the chorus after Monday’s assassination of Izzedin Salim, head of the US-appointed Iraqi governing council, heaping pressure on Bush as he seeks re-election in November.

A group headed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, accused by Washington of working for Osama bin Laden’s al Qaida, claimed responsibility for the suicide car bomb. Italy and Poland, major contributors to US-led forces in Iraq, urged Washington to give Iraqis real power when it hands over sovereignty in six weeks.

 

[SPIKESMYGOD]

JIHADTHIS-

Just let me point out that Rush DID condemn the actions, but he, like MOST of us, is SICK of the politicization of this, all an attempt to hurt Bush. Plus, he said "A Skull & Bones" meeting. Like with a lot of what Rush says, there was subtext & the LMM took him out of context. Personally, I am starting to not care at ALL about this sitch, what with the LMM having overplayed its hand....per usual.

As for why they keep this story going:

If they didn't, what the hell ELSE would Chris Matthews do with his sad, little life & show?

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by remie
I have heard very few defend the physical treatment of the prisoners including our president. As far as it costing him the election.....dont you wish.

If you have heard only a few defend the physical treatment of the prisoners then I suggest you read the postings at this very site for the past week or so. You'll find quite of lot.

As far as costing dubya the election...yes, I want him to lose, but I was referring to the entire mess in Iraq, not necessarily the torture and abuse. For that, I believe Donald Rumsfeld should lose his job.

 

[Merlin1047]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
It might have something to do with the pundits doing nothing but calling these 'frat pranks' or hazings. prisoners were killed over there and so far the only thing I've heard about punishment was the guy got reduced in rank and a discharge.

I admit I'm one who referred to the Abu Ghraib incident as a frat party hazing. That was based on the information that was first released.

If the military and/or the government had simply released information on the worst and most egregious incidents FIRST, then we wouldn't have to endure this self-inflicted chinese water torture and sit here every day wondering what the hell is coming next.

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by Merlin1047
\If the military and/or the government had simply released information on the worst and most egregious incidents FIRST, then we wouldn't have to endure this self-inflicted chinese water torture and sit here every day wondering what the hell is coming next.

I think you're right. I guess it's a normal reaction to try to circle the wagons and try to contain the damage. This story has gotten away from them.

I think what is going to come next is Rummy will resign. His resignation will be mostly symbolic, but this story hurts the Bush re-election effort and hurts the war effort. At some point Rummy is going to have to step up to the plate for the good of the President and for the good of the war effort.

 

[OCA]

Geneva Convention rules or laws apply only to an organized standing army and only when a declaration of war has been issued. Seeing as neither applies in Iraq today the Geneva Convention has zero bearing. Just a fun little factoid.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by OCA
Geneva Convention rules or laws apply only to an organized standing army and only when a declaration of war has been issued. Seeing as neither applies in Iraq today the Geneva Convention has zero bearing. Just a fun little factoid.

not completely correct, the geneva convention applies to the peoples of that country when they have been detained also.

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by OCA
Geneva Convention rules or laws apply only to an organized standing army and only when a declaration of war has been issued. Seeing as neither applies in Iraq today the Geneva Convention has zero bearing. Just a fun little factoid.

I'm not sure your right about the convention but I don't have a copy in front of me. If memory serves, the convention does deal with the responsibilities of an occupying military toward the population. Also, the convention on torture to which the US is a signatory state does apply as does the UCMJ. And the last time I checked, raping and sodimizing a prisoner is a violation of the US criminal code. Moreover, Bush himself called upon the Iraqis to treat US captives in a manner consistent with the norms in the geneva convention just like (he said) we would treat Iraqis in a manner consistent with the convention.

Lastly, even if the depraved and sadistic treatment of helpless prisoners were legal, it is still morally repugnant.

 

[OCA]

The same people who get mad at Americans who they say "wrap themselves in the flag" are now wrapping themselves in the Geneva convention. Isn't that ironic and a hoot?

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by OCA
The same people who get mad at Americans who they say "wrap themselves in the flag" are now wrapping themselves in the Geneva convention. Isn't that ironic and a hoot?

explain please

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind

Lastly, even if the depraved and sadistic treatment of helpless prisoners were legal, it is still morally repugnant. [/B]

I thought it was funnier than shit! Should've been on America's funniest home videos!