Was Trump right? Were there Muslims celebrating 9/11 attacks in New Jersey?

[irosie91]

When I was a kid in New Jersey------both the public and the cops insisted that ---"THE MAFIA" did not exist. It was a kind of "libel" invented by people who hate Italians. There were letters to the editor in local news papers and throw aways-----angrily disputing just the "word" Mafia. Of course local politicians agreed-
" "MAFIA" does not exist" As a young woman (very young) I worked in a very large local ------county hospital-------about once per month that place did autopsies on bodies found weighted at the bottom of the Passaic River-----the killing ground-----featured in the Movie series "the GODFATHER" bottom line-----Jersey City and Patterson are enclaves for Islamic terrorists. People parts were being fished out of the Passaic River for years----fingertips cut off

 

[Coyote]

When I was a kid in New Jersey------both the public and the cops insisted that ---"THE MAFIA" did not exist. It was a kind of "libel" invented by people who hate Italians. There were letters to the editor in local news papers and throw aways-----angrily disputing just the "word" Mafia. Of course local politicians agreed-
" "MAFIA" does not exist" As a young woman (very young) I worked in a very large local ------county hospital-------about once per month that place did autopsies on bodies found weighted at the bottom of the Passaic River-----the killing ground-----featured in the Movie series "the GODFATHER" bottom line-----Jersey City and Patterson are enclaves for Islamic terrorists. People parts were being fished out of the Passaic River for years----fingertips cut off

There was plenty of evidence for the mafia even then. Today - with the cellphone videos, instant journalism, etc etc - I'm sure we'd see plenty of evidence. Like the dancing Israeli's - this is a hoax.

 

[Capstone]

...Like the dancing Israeli's - this is a hoax.

There's no mention of the 5 dancing Israelis at Snopes.com. Not a peep.

Not even less "credible" debunker sites deny that those five young Israeli nationals (whose "purpose", by their own admission, "was to document the event") were indeed arrested and detained for nearly two and a half months, following an eyewitness account that included a license plate number.

Anyone with half a brain should be able to see what that dumbass, Trump, has done here. He's simply conflated the controversial video of Palestinians allegedly celebrating in East Jerusalem on 9/11 with the reports of the dancing Israelis (many of which had initially described the men as "Middle Eastern looking").

 

[irosie91]

...Like the dancing Israeli's - this is a hoax.

There's no mention of the 5 dancing Israelis at Snopes.com. Not a peep.

Not even less "credible" debunker sites deny that those five young Israeli nationals (whose "purpose", by their own admission, "was to document the event") were indeed arrested and detained for nearly two and a half months, following an eyewitness account that included a license plate number.

Anyone with half a brain should be able to see what that dumbass, Trump, has done here. He's simply conflated the controversial video of Palestinians allegedly celebrating in East Jerusalem on 9/11 with the reports of the dancing Israelis (many of which had initially described the men as "Middle Eastern looking").

why would snopes have something to say about the fact the five Israelis were standing on their van observing the burning buildings----which they could clearly
see from the parking lot in Fort Lee? It is true----they were observed doing so and
were investigated and found to have nothing to do with the event. At the time
they were watching the buildings which had been bombed by islamo Nazi dogs like you-------I was doing the same----from my living room window and tens of thousands of other people were observing. The only interesting aspect of the event is that desperate islamo Nazi pigs like you scanned the lists of people investigated and found five jews and the five innocent jews have been THE
TOPIC in islamo Nazi shit land ever since.. Muslim scum celebrated
wherever there were muslim scum------in the world----including New Jersey and
New York City People did not get arrested for celebrating-------lots of people were arrested on suspicion----MOST of them being islamo Nazi shit like you----
in the THOUSANDS. Most of them were innocent too-----some were jailed

 

[Capstone]

From the mainstream cover story by the ISLAMONAZIS at abc news (quoted excerpts in italics):

[. . .]When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.

One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.[...]

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.[...]

According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation...[...]

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.[...]

Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence.[...]

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.

While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.

Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."

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Now, bear in mind: the article from which the above excerpts were taken put the most positive spin possible on the story, in that it failed to mention other widely reported aspects of the roadside arrests, including a report that bomb-sniffing dogs had reacted positively to the cargo area of the vans (yes, plural), among other less ambiguous reports involving the recovery of explosives.

 

[edthecynic]

From the mainstream cover story by the ISLAMONAZIS at abc news (quoted excerpts in italics):

[. . .]When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.

One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.[...]

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.[...]

According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation...[...]

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.[...]

Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence.[...]

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.

While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.

Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."

--------------------------

Now, bear in mind: the article from which the above excerpts were taken put the most positive spin possible on the story, in that it failed to mention other widely reported aspects of the roadside arrests, including a report that bomb-sniffing dogs had reacted positively to the cargo area of the vans (yes, plural), among other less ambiguous reports involving the recovery of explosives.

Found inside the van:

Inside the van authorities found “a positive result for the presence of explosive traces.” According to the declassified FBI files, “A search of the van and individuals was conducted at the time of the vehicle stop. The vehicle was also searched by a trained bomb-sniffing dog which yielded a positive result for the presence of explosive traces. Swabs of the vehicle’s interior were taken, and those samples were sent to the FBI laboratory for further analysis.

Still photographs from the Canon 35mm camera (developed later) show two of the Israelis in a “parking lot adjacent to the Doric Tower apartments…The three (3) Israelis, sitting together on top of a white van, are visibly smiling on at least three (3) of the photographs. The photographs also revealed that all five (5) Israelis later observed the WTC burning from a location on top of the roof of an Urban Moving Systems warehouse located adjacent to the Urban Moving Systems office location described herein.” How could a photograph reveal that all five men observed the World Trade Center burning unless a sixth person was behind the camera? The Israelis took photographs of themselves on the rooftop of the Urban Moving Systems warehouse as well as in the rear parking lot of Doric Towers.

FBI agents believed “that the Israelis photographs were taken closer in time to the explosion of Tower #2 (South Tower) than to the initial impact into Tower #1.” One of the Israelis “apologized for appearing happy in the photographs,” and added “that Israel has been dealing with incidents like this for years. He believes that the United States will take steps to stop terrorism in the world.”

Not found inside the van:

Newark FBI agents also wrote about what was not found, “Oddly, equipment typically used in a moving company’s daily duties was not found, including work gloves, blankets, straps, ropes, boxes, dollies, rollers, ect. Also not found was the video camera that [ – ] observed at least one of the males using to film the explosion at WTC.” When Newark’s Criminal Division interviewed the detainees about what might have been on the missing video camera, “it was determined that several of the detainees had, by their own admission, [ – ].” Lied? Though four of the five Israeli nationals were given polygraph tests, only two of them were given polygraph tests specifically related to the alleged video camera that was used to film “the WTC explosions.”

 

[irosie91]

When I was a kid in New Jersey------both the public and the cops insisted that ---"THE MAFIA" did not exist. It was a kind of "libel" invented by people who hate Italians. There were letters to the editor in local news papers and throw aways-----angrily disputing just the "word" Mafia. Of course local politicians agreed-
" "MAFIA" does not exist" As a young woman (very young) I worked in a very large local ------county hospital-------about once per month that place did autopsies on bodies found weighted at the bottom of the Passaic River-----the killing ground-----featured in the Movie series "the GODFATHER" bottom line-----Jersey City and Patterson are enclaves for Islamic terrorists. People parts were being fished out of the Passaic River for years----fingertips cut off

There was plenty of evidence for the mafia even then. Today - with the cellphone videos, instant journalism, etc etc - I'm sure we'd see plenty of evidence. Like the dancing Israeli's - this is a hoax.

what is a "hoax"?? at no time did I suggest that the claims that some people made that "MAFIA DOES NOT EXIST" are true------I stated the claims made by liars like you-----. In fact it was not only the Italian housewives of New Jersey who insisted "MAFIA DOES NOT EXIST" ----Lawyers for mafia criminals also so insisted many times. Keep in mind----you also insisted that I am a liar because I recounted the history my my mother-in-law and the DHIMMI ORPHAN law which
you insisted does not exist as you continue to dance on the prone bodies of Yazidi girls raped and enslaved using the very same feature of ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE.