Was Jesus Christ a socialist?

[Zona]

I don't know much about Mormons. I know that they claim to be Christians....

Why exactly would you say that they are not?

Because Christians say they are not...

Need links? I can provide them, no problem. I grabbed them for T and he wont address this anymore. I am so hurt.

Hey, I'm not taking sides...I'm just curious...I'd be interested in links.....

After all, just about every founder of every protestant variation of Christianity was declared to be anything for guilty of heresy to being the anti-Christ by the Cathonlic church...and visa versa....

So simply 'Christians' saying that Mormons aren't Christians doesn't mean very much....what's the theological basis?

T, want to give him links? No? Ok...I will then...

Are Mormons Christian?

Is Mormonism Christian? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Is Mormonism Christian?

The mormons believe in some interesting stuff. Some would call it a cult, some just say they are nuts.

In order for you to really understand EVERYTHING about them, before they explain everything, you have to be one to get the skinny it seems.

Really take your time and find out about them. Find out what happened in 78 and why. Interesting stuff.

 

[Richard-H]

Hmm, under Socialism the government takes care of you by spreading the wealth around. I don't think JC wanted to give any more wealth to the government than they were already stealing.

I believe JC said to take care of the poor, not to give your money to the government to take care of the poor.

But then I am not a religious scholar or anything like that.

Huh?

Somehow the phrase comes to mind:

"Give to Ceaser what is Ceaser's and to God what is God's"

Do you "religious" people ever pay the slightest attention to your own religion? You just seem to make it up as you go along....

Creating God in your own image.....

So pay close attention:

JESUS DID NOT OBJECT TO TAXES AND CLEARLY STATED THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE WILLING TO PAY THEM!

Stick that in your tea bag and smoke it!

First off numbnuts, no one has ever accused me of being religious. And I admitted to being no scholar on the subject. Neither did I say that we shouldn't pay taxes. And neither did JC.

What I said was I don't think JC was in favor of the Government taking care of us from cradle to grave. Which is what the ultimate goal of socialism is actually all about.

Now go ahead and have a few more puffs of whatever you're smoking, and pay no attention to the black helicopters.

Well you certainly do not know jack shit about what Jesus did and did not say if you believe that he held any opinion on what a government should and should not do. Jesus was very very apolitical.

Secondly, I can't stop paying attention to those damn helicopters 'cause they make 'em in my back yard. Fuckin' noisey! And half my neighbors make their living down at Sikorsky, so all I ever hear and hear about is those damn helicopters.

Third, my nuts are not numb. I really wish that they were so that this porn movie that's always going on in my head would stop. Hey, but that life.....

Fourth, I wish I could smoke some of that stuff, but with old age I just can't handle the drop in blood sugar...ah to be young again....

 

[Christopher]

I have been looking more and more into exactly what he said and from what I can gather, I think he would have been called a socialist by some now days..




1. Jesus owned nothing. 2. Jesus argued for the dissolution of the family and the establishment of communes. 3. Jesus loved all people regardless of ethnicity or class. 4. Jesus revolted against the imperial government, established religion and finance capitalism (usury). 5. Jesus taught that we should act as one body, one blood. 6. Jesus taught that his kingdom (ie nation state) is in the heart and not below the feet. 7. Jesus taught that we should fight for Justice and 'turn the other cheek' to petty morality. 8. Jesus was a laborer and a teacher. 9. Jesus practiced healing and forgiveness. 10. Jesus taught that you can't be an imperialist and a disciple at the same time.

SoulCast - 10 Reasons Jesus was a Socialist

No mention of co pay though..hmmmm.

Do you believe Jesus taught that we should be compassionate?

 

[Christopher]

Because Christians say they are not...

Need links? I can provide them, no problem. I grabbed them for T and he wont address this anymore. I am so hurt.

Hey, I'm not taking sides...I'm just curious...I'd be interested in links.....

After all, just about every founder of every protestant variation of Christianity was declared to be anything for guilty of heresy to being the anti-Christ by the Cathonlic church...and visa versa....

So simply 'Christians' saying that Mormons aren't Christians doesn't mean very much....what's the theological basis?

T, want to give him links? No? Ok...I will then...

Are Mormons Christian?

Is Mormonism Christian? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Is Mormonism Christian?

The mormons believe in some interesting stuff. Some would call it a cult, some just say they are nuts.

In order for you to really understand EVERYTHING about them, before they explain everything, you have to be one to get the skinny it seems.

Really take your time and find out about them. Find out what happened in 78 and why. Interesting stuff.

If you want to find out about Mormons, go here: http://www.usmessageboard.com/religion-and-ethics/65057-the-truth-about-mormons.html

 

[Richard-H]

Because Christians say they are not...

Need links? I can provide them, no problem. I grabbed them for T and he wont address this anymore. I am so hurt.

Hey, I'm not taking sides...I'm just curious...I'd be interested in links.....

After all, just about every founder of every protestant variation of Christianity was declared to be anything for guilty of heresy to being the anti-Christ by the Cathonlic church...and visa versa....

So simply 'Christians' saying that Mormons aren't Christians doesn't mean very much....what's the theological basis?

T, want to give him links? No? Ok...I will then...

Are Mormons Christian?

Is Mormonism Christian? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Is Mormonism Christian?

The mormons believe in some interesting stuff. Some would call it a cult, some just say they are nuts.

In order for you to really understand EVERYTHING about them, before they explain everything, you have to be one to get the skinny it seems.

Really take your time and find out about them. Find out what happened in 78 and why. Interesting stuff.

That is interesting. While it does seem that there is a very large difference between Morman beliefs and all other forms of Christianity, there is some logic in that the 'Bible' as we know it is a very, very editted book.

The bible was created by the Catholic Church at the orders of emporer Constatine - a pagan emporer (later possibly converted to Christianity.)

How much of the Bible is true to the original early Christinas is very questionable.

It strike me that the Morman scriptures seem to be a mixture of ancient pagan polytheism scrambled with some elements of Christianity. Plain weird.

It would be more believable if John Smith had said that he'd found some ancient manuscrits in Isreal or Rome...New York just doesn't seem to be the place....

 

[Avatar4321]

Healing and forgiveness. Both something foreign to socialism.

Healing and forgiveness requires attention to the individual. Socialism doesn't care about the individual. Only the group or the "correct" group.

 

[Liberty]

everything jesus advocated was through free will, not government control over the people...

its not rocket science...

charity is not the same as forced taxes into a nanny state so bureaucrats can then redistribute it to the "poor". (i put 'poor' in quotes because i believe one chooses to be poor in the united states with VERY FEW exceptions)

 

[Zona]

Hey, I'm not taking sides...I'm just curious...I'd be interested in links.....

After all, just about every founder of every protestant variation of Christianity was declared to be anything for guilty of heresy to being the anti-Christ by the Cathonlic church...and visa versa....

So simply 'Christians' saying that Mormons aren't Christians doesn't mean very much....what's the theological basis?

T, want to give him links? No? Ok...I will then...

Are Mormons Christian?

Is Mormonism Christian? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Is Mormonism Christian?

The mormons believe in some interesting stuff. Some would call it a cult, some just say they are nuts.

In order for you to really understand EVERYTHING about them, before they explain everything, you have to be one to get the skinny it seems.

Really take your time and find out about them. Find out what happened in 78 and why. Interesting stuff.

That is interesting. While it does seem that there is a very large difference between Morman beliefs and all other forms of Christianity, there is some logic in that the 'Bible' as we know it is a very, very editted book.

The bible was created by the Catholic Church at the orders of emporer Constatine - a pagan emporer (later possibly converted to Christianity.)

How much of the Bible is true to the original early Christinas is very questionable.

It strike me that the Morman scriptures seem to be a mixture of ancient pagan polytheism scrambled with some elements of Christianity. Plain weird.

It would be more believable if John Smith had said that he'd found some ancient manuscrits in Isreal or Rome...New York just doesn't seem to be the place....

Good ol John Smith. I see you know a bit about him. Like I said, interesting religion they got there.

The two tablets that no one can see, the whole 78 thing and why they finally allowed blacks to be priests etc etc.

Strange indeed. All organized religions are about faith, and all have some unbelievable aspects too them, but this thing is like Scientology to me. (Meaning I have no idea how anyone can believe this). But too each his own.

Eh, either way, I am not listening to a guy who is a mormon who is telling me about God. Period.

 

[Zona]

everything jesus advocated was through free will, not government control over the people...

its not rocket science...

charity is not the same as forced taxes into a nanny state so bureaucrats can then redistribute it to the "poor". (i put 'poor' in quotes because i believe one chooses to be poor in the united states with VERY FEW exceptions)

Honest question...do you think he was for social justice?

 

[Zona]

Healing and forgiveness. Both something foreign to socialism.

Healing and forgiveness requires attention to the individual. Socialism doesn't care about the individual. Only the group or the "correct" group.

You mean like the top 2%? Personally, I am tired of all this socialism towards the rich for those bush tax cuts.

 

[uscitizen]

Actually Jesus was pretty well off and so were his deciples. Not many had boats back then.

 

[Avatar4321]

Good ol John Smith. I see you know a bit about him. Like I said, interesting religion they got there.

The two tablets that no one can see, the whole 78 thing and why they finally allowed blacks to be priests etc etc.

Strange indeed. All organized religions are about faith, and all have some unbelievable aspects too them, but this thing is like Scientology to me. (Meaning I have no idea how anyone can believe this). But too each his own.

Eh, either way, I am not listening to a guy who is a mormon who is telling me about God. Period.

What does the explorer who met Pocahantas have to do with anything?

I suggest you actually learn about it before you make judgments. Cause you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[Zona]

Good ol John Smith. I see you know a bit about him. Like I said, interesting religion they got there.

The two tablets that no one can see, the whole 78 thing and why they finally allowed blacks to be priests etc etc.

Strange indeed. All organized religions are about faith, and all have some unbelievable aspects too them, but this thing is like Scientology to me. (Meaning I have no idea how anyone can believe this). But too each his own.

Eh, either way, I am not listening to a guy who is a mormon who is telling me about God. Period.

What does the explorer who met Pocahantas have to do with anything?

I suggest you actually learn about it before you make judgments. Cause you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

It wasn't pocahontas, it was chief jay strong bow and he had the tablets, but no one else is allowed to see them because Jim trotter and the warriors are changing sports. They are now wrasslin.

Pocahontas.....lol

 

[rdean]

The Bibles speaks of helping the poor over 2,000 times.

Republican Lieutenant Governor André Bauer says if you starve the poor, they'll stop "breeding".

What the HELL are you babbling about now deany?

And *I* Notice that you Leftists LOVE to talk of Christ when it fits your Political babbling NONSENSE...when you have NO understanding of it in the least.

Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer : "Don't feed the poor. They'll 'breed.'" He's just expressing his "conservative" roots.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpb4nwfiaPY]YouTube - Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer : "Don't feed the poor. They'll 'breed.'" FULL AUDIO[/ame]

 

[THE LIGHT]

I have been looking more and more into exactly what he said and from what I can gather, I think he would have been called a socialist by some now days..




1. Jesus owned nothing. 2. Jesus argued for the dissolution of the family and the establishment of communes. 3. Jesus loved all people regardless of ethnicity or class. 4. Jesus revolted against the imperial government, established religion and finance capitalism (usury). 5. Jesus taught that we should act as one body, one blood. 6. Jesus taught that his kingdom (ie nation state) is in the heart and not below the feet. 7. Jesus taught that we should fight for Justice and 'turn the other cheek' to petty morality. 8. Jesus was a laborer and a teacher. 9. Jesus practiced healing and forgiveness. 10. Jesus taught that you can't be an imperialist and a disciple at the same time.

SoulCast - 10 Reasons Jesus was a Socialist

No mention of co pay though..hmmmm.

1. Jesus owned nothing.

STRIKE ONE!!!! That rules Obama out.

This has nothing to do with what Jesus was saying anyhow, but whatever.

2. Jesus argued for the dissolution of the family and the establishment of communes.

BALL!!! Again, a misrepresentation of what Jesus was saying


3. Jesus loved all people regardless of ethnicity or class.

STRIKE TWO!!!! That rules Jesse Jackson out.

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9. Jesus practiced healing and forgiveness.

STRIKE THREE!!! That rules out the entire democratic party.



And last but not least, interesting socialism is opposed to Jesus. hmmm...

 

[DiveCon]

I dont thnk so...but:


1. Jesus owned nothing. 2. Jesus argued for the dissolution of the family and the establishment of communes. 3. Jesus loved all people regardless of ethnicity or class. 4. Jesus revolted against the imperial government, established religion and finance capitalism (usury). 5. Jesus taught that we should act as one body, one blood. 6. Jesus taught that his kingdom (ie nation state) is in the heart and not below the feet. 7. Jesus taught that we should fight for Justice and 'turn the other cheek' to petty morality. 8. Jesus was a laborer and a teacher. 9. Jesus practiced healing and forgiveness. 10. Jesus taught that you can't be an imperialist and a disciple at the same time.

But at the individual level, he didn't go around asking that the Romans provide food and lodging for all and tax the people for it did he , he didn't advocate government confiscating the sheep herders property for the good of society did he?

Preaching and governing are two different things and should remain that way, we have far too much moral posturing in politics as it is

21 Jesus said to him, "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor,

Jesus on the Poor

Or something like that...lolololololol

if your basing your thoughts on Jesus on THAT distorted site, i can see how you would get it SO wrong

 

[Richard-H]

This whole discussion is completely off base. Jesus was completely non-political. Anyone one that thinks that they can make any conclusions about Jesus' political preferences doesn't know squat about Christianity.

Try reading the Gospels yourself sometime, not just listen to a second hand cherry-picked interpertation of your pastor.

Seriously, the Gospels really aren'y very long - yet almost no one reads them for themselves. I did and I'm not even religious.

 

[Hister]

Jesus was gay, so he couldn't have been a socialist.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

This whole discussion is completely off base. Jesus was completely non-political. Anyone one that thinks that they can make any conclusions about Jesus' political preferences doesn't know squat about Christianity.

Try reading the Gospels yourself sometime, not just listen to a second hand cherry-picked interpertation of your pastor.

Seriously, the Gospels really aren'y very long - yet almost no one reads them for themselves. I did and I'm not even religious.

Agreed. The message of the Gospel is an apolitical one. Trying to put it into a box, or say that Jesus supported _____ is a conversation doomed to failure.

One thing I do wonder about as a Christian:

Why is it other Christians have no issues legislating against things they feel are sin, but have major issues legislating in favor of good works which are advocated in the Bible.

For example: If you support making Gay Marriage illegal as it is a sin, why not support Welfare as it is giving to the poor, something the Bible advocates?

It seems many of us advocate personal responsibility for Good Works, but want Governmental action on sin.

Doesn't that seem like a contradiction?

 

[California Girl]

Did Jesus advocate government owning the means of production?

I dont thnk so...but:


1. Jesus owned nothing. 2. Jesus argued for the dissolution of the family and the establishment of communes. 3. Jesus loved all people regardless of ethnicity or class. 4. Jesus revolted against the imperial government, established religion and finance capitalism (usury). 5. Jesus taught that we should act as one body, one blood. 6. Jesus taught that his kingdom (ie nation state) is in the heart and not below the feet. 7. Jesus taught that we should fight for Justice and 'turn the other cheek' to petty morality. 8. Jesus was a laborer and a teacher. 9. Jesus practiced healing and forgiveness. 10. Jesus taught that you can't be an imperialist and a disciple at the same time.

The problem, Zona, is that numbers 2, 4, 5, 6, and 10 are all wrong. You may believe these things to be facts but they are not. And the rest of them are more than a tad misinterpreted.

It is really, really, easy.... Jesus taught personal salvation. He taught us to love our fellow man, and to care for one another. Now, socialism is based on collective salvation - that is the opposite of what Christ taught. To follow his teachings, we have to give because it is the right thing not because the government takes our money to give it to someone else.

All you do by your OP is confirm that you have no idea what Christ taught - and yet you have the audacity to tell others that they are not Christians. Stop worrying so much about whether Mormons are Christians - it is not your business. Worry about your own soul.