Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

[GreatestIam]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Jesus was also fully human, and had the free will to make a choice. He decided with both aspects that we were worth the price.

 

[GreatestIam]

Jesus was also fully human, and had the free will to make a choice. He decided with both aspects that we were worth the price.

That was not the question.

I guess that your answer to the actual question made you too uncomfortable to deal with it.

Cowards can never be moral. grow some stones.

As to Jesus, you would make him as immoral as you seem to be.

On Jesus dying for you to appease your swollen egos, that wants you to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.

You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh. Satan applauds you though as you are doing her work.

Regards
DL

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

That was the question.

You think too much of yourself.

 

[GreatestIam]

Jesus was also fully human, and had the free will to make a choice. He decided with both aspects that we were worth the price.

As to Jesus having our same free will, your scriptures say that we do not have free will to believe as we want. You might read your bible some time.

Why does god harden hearts against his own wish to be believed to be god?

In 2 Corinthians 3;14 - 15 God hardens Jewish hearts against their believing in Jesus as their messiah.

John 12;39-40 says about the same. The same applies to Romans 11;25, 2 Corinthians 4;3-4,

Regards
DL

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

So you have four opinions. There are others, of course.

The Bible is not a rule book, but a primer. I've read it often enough, in numerous translations.

 

[Thunk]

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

I don't accept that premise at all...it's complete rubbish.

I don't claim to know the inner working of God and the universe...but what if God the Father becoming flesh would lead to destruction of the universe because God wasn't "up there" holding it all together.

Well, that would put a damper on all of existence now wouldn't it?

The death of Jesus was NOT a "sacrifice" to the Father!

Some times things just are the way they are...even for God!

 

[Third Party]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

Not a good story for kids.

 

[Ringel05]

Jesus was also fully human, and had the free will to make a choice. He decided with both aspects that we were worth the price.

The idiot thinks God wanted a bribe with the sacrifice, that's his skewed, limited view.

 

[MarathonMike]

Can an infinite immortal being make himself mortal and allow himself to die?

 

[Augustine_]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

I choose to posit that Jesus gave his life to kill the old testament God. That would explain how no sign of God or any God-like intervention has been credibly witnessed or described by anybody since biblical times. They're both dead. Their power may still exist, but those 2 are never going to show up again.

 

[ding]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

You claim to be a Gnostic Christian, right?

Are you discussing the God that Gnostic Christians believe in?

Because it’s really hard for me to reconcile your Gnostic beliefs with what you are posting.

Why don’t you tell us about the God you allegedly believe in?

 

[diver52]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

As I see it, the very concept of a scapegoat is both immoral and pointless. Why is a sacrifice needed at all? It achieved nothing God could not have provided without a sacrifice.

 

[norwegen]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

What do you mean, the sacrifice to the Father? The sacrifice of what? For what purpose?

 

[Mr Natural]

Seems like the wrong doers of the time got off scot fee with the Jesus crusifiction.

 

[norwegen]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

I choose to posit that Jesus gave his life to kill the old testament God. That would explain how no sign of God or any God-like intervention has been credibly witnessed or described by anybody since biblical times. They're both dead. Their power may still exist, but those 2 are never going to show up again.

On the contrary, signs of God are much more prolific since the Cross than they ever were before the Cross (except in the Garden (no sacrifices in the Garden, i.e., before man fell; no sacrifices in the church, i.e., since his redemption)).

You may think that the transformation of the world from one of shrines and temples to one more cruciform in shape has been the work entirely of man, but those who did the transforming would beg to differ.

 

[GreatestIam]

So you have four opinions. There are others, of course.

The Bible is not a rule book, but a primer. I've read it often enough, in numerous translations.

Why, when your own bible says that if you want to perfect your wisdom, you have to get out of the Christian ideology as it is imperfect?

As to the bible. It is a consolidation of many older and wiser thinking systems. They just put them together wrong and that is why Christians end in the idol worship of a genocidal and infanticidal prick of a god that they somehow see as good.

That is not good.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

I don't accept that premise at all...it's complete rubbish.

I don't claim to know the inner working of God and the universe...but what if God the Father becoming flesh would lead to destruction of the universe because God wasn't "up there" holding it all together.

Well, that would put a damper on all of existence now wouldn't it?

The death of Jesus was NOT a "sacrifice" to the Father!

Some times things just are the way they are...even for God!

I agree that Christianity is complete rubbish. All homophobic and misogynous religions are.

Christianity is worse as it idol worships a genocidal son murdering satanic prick of a god.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

Not a good story for kids.

Or moral parents.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Jesus was also fully human, and had the free will to make a choice. He decided with both aspects that we were worth the price.

The idiot thinks God wanted a bribe with the sacrifice, that's his skewed, limited view.

Denial is not good apologetics.

Sacrifice, bribe, pay off, ransom.
All these are synonymous so you hiding behind grammar shows how badly you do not want to look at the immorality of the Christian ideology.

Regards
DL