Warren Commission was correct........Oswald acted alone

[Soupnazi630]

Apples and oranges.

Hmmmm.

In the Russian Collusion investigation the absence of evidence only means the investigation must continue.
In this case, the absence of evidence means that there can be only one conclusion. No further investigation needed.

Poor example on your part

There is plenty of evidence warranting an investigation of Russian Collusion

Key Trump aids meeting with Russian agents, curious financial dealings with Russia, statements Trump made defending Russia

OK your turn
What evidence do you have to support a decision that Oswald had help

None, thus we must continue the investigation forever until we find something.


Some Russian that the Hillary campaign paid to establish contact with Trump officials talks to a couple of people and this is evidence of Collusion?
What it does establish is evidence of several attempts by a political opponent to conduct espionage.

Comparing Trump collusion with JFK is not valid it is apples and oranges. I agree there is no evidence of collusion and the investigation is junk but in the case of JFK they investigated exhaustively and DID find massive evidence.

Your trying for a false equivalency.

Actually I'm pointing out a fallacy in the current investigation.
Most of the misinformation in the JFK assassination is thanks to kooks, Hollywood, and media speculation. I find it strange how first JFK was killed, 5 years later MLK is assassinated, then 2 months later RFK is assassinated. All of the above were trying to change America, or all the above were tied in with the same people. Why were they killed?

And you are speculating about the answer to why they were killed while ignoring the evidence.

Pointing out a fallacy in the current investigation says nothing about the JFK investigations. You have yet to point out a fallacy in the Warren Commission.

 

[Soupnazi630]

MLK and RBJ didn't get killed in the same year but only by forces who wanted them both dead.

Nixon got beat bad with RJK and sure as the shit didn't want to go up against a different Kennedy.

Nixon was going to beat Bobby.

Certainly possible but not certain.

 

[mudwhistle]

If he missed the first shot, this can cause panic, and then the shooter would be shooting wildly, not accurately.
Unless he had a spotter to tell him how to adjust his fire.
I've been in live life or death situations, and hitting the target isn't always easy when you're scared or unsure of your weapon. For a hired killer, the setup was perfect. As matter of fact, it was too perfect not to be a conspiracy.


I think the only way you can say for sure you have an accurate simulation is take some scared inexperienced Jarhead up there thinking he was committing murder, and simulate the same exact conditions, heat, humidity, time of day, etc, and then you'd get some sort of idea what he had to deal with.

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

Wrong.

On the one hand you say a trained sniper was recruited and hired for the murder but then you argue that such a person would have motive to kill. That is contradictory. Such a hired shooter would care nothing except surviving and getting paid.

You cannot have it both ways that it was a hired hitman and also motivated to by politics or hatred that he WANTED to kill Kennedy. Furthermore you ignore that hiring a hitman would have made said hitman scared as he would have logically known that the conspirators would want him dead after the fact.

Yes Oswald had motives as well and like Oswald we do not know precisely what Boothe's motives were because he died before he could explain the motives.

In both cases we cannot ever know for sure but we can make educated guesses about the motives and they are good guesses based on evidence.

IN the end motive is often guessed at. When lawyers present motive in court it is usually inferred rather than proven because the accused typically does not confess and therefore does not express a motive.

This is why the evidence of motive is not as important as the evidence proving who did it. We have evidence OSwald did it. We have no evidence anyone else was involved. Therefore since his motive can only be inferred it is more valid than your pure speculation.

A hired killer is still a human being.
They tend to rationalize their motivations.
Some feel they're doing a service, or some just enjoy killing. If you're the kind of sick fuck who likes watching heads explode then you have the right type of personality.
Oswald, to me, didn't seem to me to be a nutcase. He was just a loser, possibly picked as a fall-guy. He said he was a patsy because he had lived in Russia.

 

[mudwhistle]

Hmmmm.

In the Russian Collusion investigation the absence of evidence only means the investigation must continue.
In this case, the absence of evidence means that there can be only one conclusion. No further investigation needed.

Poor example on your part

There is plenty of evidence warranting an investigation of Russian Collusion

Key Trump aids meeting with Russian agents, curious financial dealings with Russia, statements Trump made defending Russia

OK your turn
What evidence do you have to support a decision that Oswald had help

None, thus we must continue the investigation forever until we find something.


Some Russian that the Hillary campaign paid to establish contact with Trump officials talks to a couple of people and this is evidence of Collusion?
What it does establish is evidence of several attempts by a political opponent to conduct espionage.

Comparing Trump collusion with JFK is not valid it is apples and oranges. I agree there is no evidence of collusion and the investigation is junk but in the case of JFK they investigated exhaustively and DID find massive evidence.

Your trying for a false equivalency.

Actually I'm pointing out a fallacy in the current investigation.
Most of the misinformation in the JFK assassination is thanks to kooks, Hollywood, and media speculation. I find it strange how first JFK was killed, 5 years later MLK is assassinated, then 2 months later RFK is assassinated. All of the above were trying to change America, or all the above were tied in with the same people. Why were they killed?

And you are speculating about the answer to why they were killed while ignoring the evidence.

Pointing out a fallacy in the current investigation says nothing about the JFK investigations. You have yet to point out a fallacy in the Warren Commission.

I'm ignoring nothing.

I think it's clear that the Warren Commission was a cover up, because the truth they found in the investigation may have at the very least been an embarrassment to the Secret Service.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

Wrong.

On the one hand you say a trained sniper was recruited and hired for the murder but then you argue that such a person would have motive to kill. That is contradictory. Such a hired shooter would care nothing except surviving and getting paid.

You cannot have it both ways that it was a hired hitman and also motivated to by politics or hatred that he WANTED to kill Kennedy. Furthermore you ignore that hiring a hitman would have made said hitman scared as he would have logically known that the conspirators would want him dead after the fact.

Yes Oswald had motives as well and like Oswald we do not know precisely what Boothe's motives were because he died before he could explain the motives.

In both cases we cannot ever know for sure but we can make educated guesses about the motives and they are good guesses based on evidence.

IN the end motive is often guessed at. When lawyers present motive in court it is usually inferred rather than proven because the accused typically does not confess and therefore does not express a motive.

This is why the evidence of motive is not as important as the evidence proving who did it. We have evidence OSwald did it. We have no evidence anyone else was involved. Therefore since his motive can only be inferred it is more valid than your pure speculation.

A hired killer is still a human being.
They tend to rationalize their motivations.
Some feel they're doing a service, or some just enjoy killing. If you're the kind of sick fuck who likes watching heads explode then you have the right type of personality.
Oswald, to me, didn't seem to me to be a nutcase. He was just a loser, possibly picked as a fall-guy. He said he was a patsy because he had lived in Russia.

Hired killers do not grow on trees. Contrary to what Hollywood presents there are few such people and the selection would be small. Usually in fact they ARE just sociopaths and thugs with no motive other than getting paid and often not even paid well.

A real example would be Frank Netty who was a semi famous underline of Al Capone. He did many criminal jobs for Capone including murder but worked exclusively for Capone because that was who paid him. He needed no other rationalization.

In fact a hired killer is unlikely simply because you may be able to find people to commit murder for money but committing a spectacular murder such as JFK for money would be far less likely. Few would be killers would agree to such a job because they would no the massive dangers involved. Finding a military trained sniper to kill Kennedy would have been next to impossible especially as the military was actually supportive of Kennedy especially the special operations community. They considered Kennedy to be their patron.

Oswald said was a patsy because accused criminals TYPICALLY deny their guilt and claim to be set up or framed or the fall guy or whatever. His choice of words was just a little odd.

We can in fact show Oswald was a deranged nut job. He had a proven history of attempted political assassination before Kennedy when he tried to kill General Edwin Walker with the same rifle he used on Kennedy. He often spoke to his wife about being the first prime minister of the United Socialist States of America. He read a lot of spy novels and often hinted to others that he was such a spy involved in the same plot as what he read about in a book.

As a Child he and his mother lived briefly in New York. HE was arrested for attempting to stab his mother with a knife. The judge ordered him to be examined by a child psychologist who diagnosed him as a paranoid sociopath. The judge ordered him to be given therapy on an outpatient basis at a mental hospital. Oswald's mother was having none of this and skipped town returning to New Orleans.

So we know Oswald was a nut who suffered from mental illness as a child. That mental illness went untreated which means chances are it only got worse. Such issues do not tend to fix themselves.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Poor example on your part

There is plenty of evidence warranting an investigation of Russian Collusion

Key Trump aids meeting with Russian agents, curious financial dealings with Russia, statements Trump made defending Russia

OK your turn
What evidence do you have to support a decision that Oswald had help

None, thus we must continue the investigation forever until we find something.


Some Russian that the Hillary campaign paid to establish contact with Trump officials talks to a couple of people and this is evidence of Collusion?
What it does establish is evidence of several attempts by a political opponent to conduct espionage.

Comparing Trump collusion with JFK is not valid it is apples and oranges. I agree there is no evidence of collusion and the investigation is junk but in the case of JFK they investigated exhaustively and DID find massive evidence.

Your trying for a false equivalency.

Actually I'm pointing out a fallacy in the current investigation.
Most of the misinformation in the JFK assassination is thanks to kooks, Hollywood, and media speculation. I find it strange how first JFK was killed, 5 years later MLK is assassinated, then 2 months later RFK is assassinated. All of the above were trying to change America, or all the above were tied in with the same people. Why were they killed?

And you are speculating about the answer to why they were killed while ignoring the evidence.

Pointing out a fallacy in the current investigation says nothing about the JFK investigations. You have yet to point out a fallacy in the Warren Commission.

I'm ignoring nothing.

I think it's clear that the Warren Commission was a cover up, because the truth they found in the investigation may have at the very least been an embarrassment to the Secret Service.

The fact that they DID publish their findings which DID embarrass the Secret Service proves it was no cover up.

And yes you are ignoring the evidence in favor of pure supposition.

So far all you have is illogical musings and no evidence.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

On November 21, 1963 Oswald learned the JFK motorcade would be passing by his window at work the next day. So he went home, brought his rifle to work the next morning and fired three shots at the President. One of which blew his brains out

That is all there is

Yeah, it's normal for a bullet to hit someone from the rear and force his head backwards.

It has been medically proven on cadavers.

It was Oswald’s gun that fired the shot that killed Kennedy. That has been proven
The gun was found at the scene and pictures were found of Oswald with that gun

Yup, just another example of violent leftists.

JFK was a leftist

A leftist who loved huge tax cuts...….and was strong on defense.

 

[mudwhistle]

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

Wrong.

On the one hand you say a trained sniper was recruited and hired for the murder but then you argue that such a person would have motive to kill. That is contradictory. Such a hired shooter would care nothing except surviving and getting paid.

You cannot have it both ways that it was a hired hitman and also motivated to by politics or hatred that he WANTED to kill Kennedy. Furthermore you ignore that hiring a hitman would have made said hitman scared as he would have logically known that the conspirators would want him dead after the fact.

Yes Oswald had motives as well and like Oswald we do not know precisely what Boothe's motives were because he died before he could explain the motives.

In both cases we cannot ever know for sure but we can make educated guesses about the motives and they are good guesses based on evidence.

IN the end motive is often guessed at. When lawyers present motive in court it is usually inferred rather than proven because the accused typically does not confess and therefore does not express a motive.

This is why the evidence of motive is not as important as the evidence proving who did it. We have evidence OSwald did it. We have no evidence anyone else was involved. Therefore since his motive can only be inferred it is more valid than your pure speculation.

A hired killer is still a human being.
They tend to rationalize their motivations.
Some feel they're doing a service, or some just enjoy killing. If you're the kind of sick fuck who likes watching heads explode then you have the right type of personality.
Oswald, to me, didn't seem to me to be a nutcase. He was just a loser, possibly picked as a fall-guy. He said he was a patsy because he had lived in Russia.

Hired killers do not grow on trees. Contrary to what Hollywood presents there are few such people and the selection would be small. Usually in fact they ARE just sociopaths and thugs with no motive other than getting paid and often not even paid well.

A real example would be Frank Netty who was a semi famous underline of Al Capone. He did many criminal jobs for Capone including murder but worked exclusively for Capone because that was who paid him. He needed no other rationalization.

In fact a hired killer is unlikely simply because you may be able to find people to commit murder for money but committing a spectacular murder such as JFK for money would be far less likely. Few would be killers would agree to such a job because they would no the massive dangers involved. Finding a military trained sniper to kill Kennedy would have been next to impossible especially as the military was actually supportive of Kennedy especially the special operations community. They considered Kennedy to be their patron.

Oswald said was a patsy because accused criminals TYPICALLY deny their guilt and claim to be set up or framed or the fall guy or whatever. His choice of words was just a little odd.

We can in fact show Oswald was a deranged nut job. He had a proven history of attempted political assassination before Kennedy when he tried to kill General Edwin Walker with the same rifle he used on Kennedy. He often spoke to his wife about being the first prime minister of the United Socialist States of America. He read a lot of spy novels and often hinted to others that he was such a spy involved in the same plot as what he read about in a book.

As a Child he and his mother lived briefly in New York. HE was arrested for attempting to stab his mother with a knife. The judge ordered him to be examined by a child psychologist who diagnosed him as a paranoid sociopath. The judge ordered him to be given therapy on an outpatient basis at a mental hospital. Oswald's mother was having none of this and skipped town returning to New Orleans.

So we know Oswald was a nut who suffered from mental illness as a child. That mental illness went untreated which means chances are it only got worse. Such issues do not tend to fix themselves.

I was on a Special Forces A Team for several years.
Trust me, even they have their share of degenerates.

 

[Dale Smith]

Yeah, it's normal for a bullet to hit someone from the rear and force his head backwards.

It is actually.

Two major reasons for this exist one is known as the jet effect the other is neurological reflex. When the nervous system is damaged signals are fired randomly down the nervous system causing the body to have bizarre and unpredictable reactions which can in fact move the body ( or head ) in exactly the opposite or direction one would expect. Trauma to the head is especially likely to cause this.

The jet effect helps by pushing a column of tissue and blood ahead of the bullet. This column exits first and pushes back.

Bullets do not push the head or body very far at all to begin with. When bullets hit for example in the torso victims often have no visible reaction at all. We tend to think bodies will move away from the direction of the bullets travel because we have seen it happen a thousand times in movies and on tv.

Another factor unique to Kennedy is the heavy back brace and ace bandage he wore wrapped around his lower like a parachute harness or like a piece of S and M gear. Kennedy suffered from severe back problems and wore this back brace reinforced by an ace bandage for most of his adult life.

Essentially it held his upper body somewhat rigid so that is something pushed on his head there would have been a springboard effect

My Team SGT was in Quantico, the FBI's training academy for sniper training, and he said to some of the agents there that JFK was probably caught in a shooters triangle and ended up being hit from two directions. Kennedy's back brace made it difficult if not impossible for him to duck once the first bullet flew by him. They put him in an extremely low riding car with low sides. He was a sitting duck. So chances are at the very least....it was a conspiracy.

Oh yes.....the Grassy Knoll

Which brings about the question of the three shots. If there were two shooters with the President’s car in a crossfire ....why did they only manage to get off three shots?

Why were three expended cartridges found in the sixth floor shooters nest?

It was a magic bullet!!!! ROTFLMAO!

Finding three bullet casings by the very same ones that were part of the conspiracy would only impress someone like you with limited abilities to think. There were at least six shooters along Elm street. Some were mob hit men and others were CIA assets. Oswald never fired a shot. The only print on the bolt action rifle was that of his palm that was put on the butt of the rifle after he was toe-tagged.

Magic bullets are another fantasy by conspiracy theorists
Ballistics have shown them wrong

The rest of your screed is just typical Crazy Dale

You know nothing and it shows.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It is actually.

Two major reasons for this exist one is known as the jet effect the other is neurological reflex. When the nervous system is damaged signals are fired randomly down the nervous system causing the body to have bizarre and unpredictable reactions which can in fact move the body ( or head ) in exactly the opposite or direction one would expect. Trauma to the head is especially likely to cause this.

The jet effect helps by pushing a column of tissue and blood ahead of the bullet. This column exits first and pushes back.

Bullets do not push the head or body very far at all to begin with. When bullets hit for example in the torso victims often have no visible reaction at all. We tend to think bodies will move away from the direction of the bullets travel because we have seen it happen a thousand times in movies and on tv.

Another factor unique to Kennedy is the heavy back brace and ace bandage he wore wrapped around his lower like a parachute harness or like a piece of S and M gear. Kennedy suffered from severe back problems and wore this back brace reinforced by an ace bandage for most of his adult life.

Essentially it held his upper body somewhat rigid so that is something pushed on his head there would have been a springboard effect

My Team SGT was in Quantico, the FBI's training academy for sniper training, and he said to some of the agents there that JFK was probably caught in a shooters triangle and ended up being hit from two directions. Kennedy's back brace made it difficult if not impossible for him to duck once the first bullet flew by him. They put him in an extremely low riding car with low sides. He was a sitting duck. So chances are at the very least....it was a conspiracy.

Oh yes.....the Grassy Knoll

Which brings about the question of the three shots. If there were two shooters with the President’s car in a crossfire ....why did they only manage to get off three shots?

Why were three expended cartridges found in the sixth floor shooters nest?

It was a magic bullet!!!! ROTFLMAO!

Finding three bullet casings by the very same ones that were part of the conspiracy would only impress someone like you with limited abilities to think. There were at least six shooters along Elm street. Some were mob hit men and others were CIA assets. Oswald never fired a shot. The only print on the bolt action rifle was that of his palm that was put on the butt of the rifle after he was toe-tagged.

Magic bullets are another fantasy by conspiracy theorists
Ballistics have shown them wrong

The rest of your screed is just typical Crazy Dale

You know nothing and it shows.

Except he is correct,

The magic bullet theory was in fact dreamed up out of thin air by conspiracy theorists and has been proven false.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

Wrong.

On the one hand you say a trained sniper was recruited and hired for the murder but then you argue that such a person would have motive to kill. That is contradictory. Such a hired shooter would care nothing except surviving and getting paid.

You cannot have it both ways that it was a hired hitman and also motivated to by politics or hatred that he WANTED to kill Kennedy. Furthermore you ignore that hiring a hitman would have made said hitman scared as he would have logically known that the conspirators would want him dead after the fact.

Yes Oswald had motives as well and like Oswald we do not know precisely what Boothe's motives were because he died before he could explain the motives.

In both cases we cannot ever know for sure but we can make educated guesses about the motives and they are good guesses based on evidence.

IN the end motive is often guessed at. When lawyers present motive in court it is usually inferred rather than proven because the accused typically does not confess and therefore does not express a motive.

This is why the evidence of motive is not as important as the evidence proving who did it. We have evidence OSwald did it. We have no evidence anyone else was involved. Therefore since his motive can only be inferred it is more valid than your pure speculation.

A hired killer is still a human being.
They tend to rationalize their motivations.
Some feel they're doing a service, or some just enjoy killing. If you're the kind of sick fuck who likes watching heads explode then you have the right type of personality.
Oswald, to me, didn't seem to me to be a nutcase. He was just a loser, possibly picked as a fall-guy. He said he was a patsy because he had lived in Russia.

Hired killers do not grow on trees. Contrary to what Hollywood presents there are few such people and the selection would be small. Usually in fact they ARE just sociopaths and thugs with no motive other than getting paid and often not even paid well.

A real example would be Frank Netty who was a semi famous underline of Al Capone. He did many criminal jobs for Capone including murder but worked exclusively for Capone because that was who paid him. He needed no other rationalization.

In fact a hired killer is unlikely simply because you may be able to find people to commit murder for money but committing a spectacular murder such as JFK for money would be far less likely. Few would be killers would agree to such a job because they would no the massive dangers involved. Finding a military trained sniper to kill Kennedy would have been next to impossible especially as the military was actually supportive of Kennedy especially the special operations community. They considered Kennedy to be their patron.

Oswald said was a patsy because accused criminals TYPICALLY deny their guilt and claim to be set up or framed or the fall guy or whatever. His choice of words was just a little odd.

We can in fact show Oswald was a deranged nut job. He had a proven history of attempted political assassination before Kennedy when he tried to kill General Edwin Walker with the same rifle he used on Kennedy. He often spoke to his wife about being the first prime minister of the United Socialist States of America. He read a lot of spy novels and often hinted to others that he was such a spy involved in the same plot as what he read about in a book.

As a Child he and his mother lived briefly in New York. HE was arrested for attempting to stab his mother with a knife. The judge ordered him to be examined by a child psychologist who diagnosed him as a paranoid sociopath. The judge ordered him to be given therapy on an outpatient basis at a mental hospital. Oswald's mother was having none of this and skipped town returning to New Orleans.

So we know Oswald was a nut who suffered from mental illness as a child. That mental illness went untreated which means chances are it only got worse. Such issues do not tend to fix themselves.

I was on a Special Forces A Team for several years.
Trust me, even they have their share of degenerates.

Assuming that a grandiose personal claim is true so what?

We have evidence Oswald was a degenerate nut, We have evidence he had the skill to kill Kennedy, We have evidence he committed the act.

We have no evidence anyone else did.

 

[rightwinger]

I corrected that to 2 out of 3 times.

Of course nerves and adrenaline can pay a role they may have in fact played a role in Oswald missing the first shot. But the claim that they effect someone does not argue that he was innocent after all if it did then NO One would be guilty of murder with a gun.

So a scared nutcase probably yes.

If he missed the first shot, this can cause panic, and then the shooter would be shooting wildly, not accurately.
Unless he had a spotter to tell him how to adjust his fire.
I've been in live life or death situations, and hitting the target isn't always easy when you're scared or unsure of your weapon. For a hired killer, the setup was perfect. As matter of fact, it was too perfect not to be a conspiracy.


I think the only way you can say for sure you have an accurate simulation is take some scared inexperienced Jarhead up there thinking he was committing murder, and simulate the same exact conditions, heat, humidity, time of day, etc, and then you'd get some sort of idea what he had to deal with.

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

A trained sniper would kill a president if he was being paid a hell of a lot of money.
Oswald could barely afford a gun and bus fare

Oswald’s motives?

He was a runt and a loser his whole life. He wanted to go out a big shot. Now, fifty years later, everyone knows his name

 

[mudwhistle]

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

Wrong.

On the one hand you say a trained sniper was recruited and hired for the murder but then you argue that such a person would have motive to kill. That is contradictory. Such a hired shooter would care nothing except surviving and getting paid.

You cannot have it both ways that it was a hired hitman and also motivated to by politics or hatred that he WANTED to kill Kennedy. Furthermore you ignore that hiring a hitman would have made said hitman scared as he would have logically known that the conspirators would want him dead after the fact.

Yes Oswald had motives as well and like Oswald we do not know precisely what Boothe's motives were because he died before he could explain the motives.

In both cases we cannot ever know for sure but we can make educated guesses about the motives and they are good guesses based on evidence.

IN the end motive is often guessed at. When lawyers present motive in court it is usually inferred rather than proven because the accused typically does not confess and therefore does not express a motive.

This is why the evidence of motive is not as important as the evidence proving who did it. We have evidence OSwald did it. We have no evidence anyone else was involved. Therefore since his motive can only be inferred it is more valid than your pure speculation.

A hired killer is still a human being.
They tend to rationalize their motivations.
Some feel they're doing a service, or some just enjoy killing. If you're the kind of sick fuck who likes watching heads explode then you have the right type of personality.
Oswald, to me, didn't seem to me to be a nutcase. He was just a loser, possibly picked as a fall-guy. He said he was a patsy because he had lived in Russia.

Hired killers do not grow on trees. Contrary to what Hollywood presents there are few such people and the selection would be small. Usually in fact they ARE just sociopaths and thugs with no motive other than getting paid and often not even paid well.

A real example would be Frank Netty who was a semi famous underline of Al Capone. He did many criminal jobs for Capone including murder but worked exclusively for Capone because that was who paid him. He needed no other rationalization.

In fact a hired killer is unlikely simply because you may be able to find people to commit murder for money but committing a spectacular murder such as JFK for money would be far less likely. Few would be killers would agree to such a job because they would no the massive dangers involved. Finding a military trained sniper to kill Kennedy would have been next to impossible especially as the military was actually supportive of Kennedy especially the special operations community. They considered Kennedy to be their patron.

Oswald said was a patsy because accused criminals TYPICALLY deny their guilt and claim to be set up or framed or the fall guy or whatever. His choice of words was just a little odd.

We can in fact show Oswald was a deranged nut job. He had a proven history of attempted political assassination before Kennedy when he tried to kill General Edwin Walker with the same rifle he used on Kennedy. He often spoke to his wife about being the first prime minister of the United Socialist States of America. He read a lot of spy novels and often hinted to others that he was such a spy involved in the same plot as what he read about in a book.

As a Child he and his mother lived briefly in New York. HE was arrested for attempting to stab his mother with a knife. The judge ordered him to be examined by a child psychologist who diagnosed him as a paranoid sociopath. The judge ordered him to be given therapy on an outpatient basis at a mental hospital. Oswald's mother was having none of this and skipped town returning to New Orleans.

So we know Oswald was a nut who suffered from mental illness as a child. That mental illness went untreated which means chances are it only got worse. Such issues do not tend to fix themselves.

I was on a Special Forces A Team for several years.
Trust me, even they have their share of degenerates.

Assuming that a grandiose personal claim is true so what?

We have evidence Oswald was a degenerate nut, We have evidence he had the skill to kill Kennedy, We have evidence he committed the act.

We have no evidence anyone else did.

And you went to the national archives and read this evidence???

 

[mudwhistle]

If he missed the first shot, this can cause panic, and then the shooter would be shooting wildly, not accurately.
Unless he had a spotter to tell him how to adjust his fire.
I've been in live life or death situations, and hitting the target isn't always easy when you're scared or unsure of your weapon. For a hired killer, the setup was perfect. As matter of fact, it was too perfect not to be a conspiracy.


I think the only way you can say for sure you have an accurate simulation is take some scared inexperienced Jarhead up there thinking he was committing murder, and simulate the same exact conditions, heat, humidity, time of day, etc, and then you'd get some sort of idea what he had to deal with.

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

A trained sniper would kill a president if he was being paid a hell of a lot of money.
Oswald could barely afford a gun and bus fare

Oswald’s motives?

He was a runt and a loser his whole life. He wanted to go out a big shot. Now, fifty years later, everyone knows his name

So who paid him?
Why would they pay such a loser to do something so important.
A loser who would most assuredly fold under questioning in a matter of hours.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

A trained sniper would kill a president if he was being paid a hell of a lot of money.
Oswald could barely afford a gun and bus fare

Oswald’s motives?

He was a runt and a loser his whole life. He wanted to go out a big shot. Now, fifty years later, everyone knows his name

So who paid him?
Why would they pay such a loser to do something so important.
A loser who would most assuredly fold under questioning in a matter of hours.

No one paid him he acted alone.

Losers commit murder all the time and sometimes fold under questioning and sometimes not.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.

On the one hand you say a trained sniper was recruited and hired for the murder but then you argue that such a person would have motive to kill. That is contradictory. Such a hired shooter would care nothing except surviving and getting paid.

You cannot have it both ways that it was a hired hitman and also motivated to by politics or hatred that he WANTED to kill Kennedy. Furthermore you ignore that hiring a hitman would have made said hitman scared as he would have logically known that the conspirators would want him dead after the fact.

Yes Oswald had motives as well and like Oswald we do not know precisely what Boothe's motives were because he died before he could explain the motives.

In both cases we cannot ever know for sure but we can make educated guesses about the motives and they are good guesses based on evidence.

IN the end motive is often guessed at. When lawyers present motive in court it is usually inferred rather than proven because the accused typically does not confess and therefore does not express a motive.

This is why the evidence of motive is not as important as the evidence proving who did it. We have evidence OSwald did it. We have no evidence anyone else was involved. Therefore since his motive can only be inferred it is more valid than your pure speculation.

A hired killer is still a human being.
They tend to rationalize their motivations.
Some feel they're doing a service, or some just enjoy killing. If you're the kind of sick fuck who likes watching heads explode then you have the right type of personality.
Oswald, to me, didn't seem to me to be a nutcase. He was just a loser, possibly picked as a fall-guy. He said he was a patsy because he had lived in Russia.

Hired killers do not grow on trees. Contrary to what Hollywood presents there are few such people and the selection would be small. Usually in fact they ARE just sociopaths and thugs with no motive other than getting paid and often not even paid well.

A real example would be Frank Netty who was a semi famous underline of Al Capone. He did many criminal jobs for Capone including murder but worked exclusively for Capone because that was who paid him. He needed no other rationalization.

In fact a hired killer is unlikely simply because you may be able to find people to commit murder for money but committing a spectacular murder such as JFK for money would be far less likely. Few would be killers would agree to such a job because they would no the massive dangers involved. Finding a military trained sniper to kill Kennedy would have been next to impossible especially as the military was actually supportive of Kennedy especially the special operations community. They considered Kennedy to be their patron.

Oswald said was a patsy because accused criminals TYPICALLY deny their guilt and claim to be set up or framed or the fall guy or whatever. His choice of words was just a little odd.

We can in fact show Oswald was a deranged nut job. He had a proven history of attempted political assassination before Kennedy when he tried to kill General Edwin Walker with the same rifle he used on Kennedy. He often spoke to his wife about being the first prime minister of the United Socialist States of America. He read a lot of spy novels and often hinted to others that he was such a spy involved in the same plot as what he read about in a book.

As a Child he and his mother lived briefly in New York. HE was arrested for attempting to stab his mother with a knife. The judge ordered him to be examined by a child psychologist who diagnosed him as a paranoid sociopath. The judge ordered him to be given therapy on an outpatient basis at a mental hospital. Oswald's mother was having none of this and skipped town returning to New Orleans.

So we know Oswald was a nut who suffered from mental illness as a child. That mental illness went untreated which means chances are it only got worse. Such issues do not tend to fix themselves.

I was on a Special Forces A Team for several years.
Trust me, even they have their share of degenerates.

Assuming that a grandiose personal claim is true so what?

We have evidence Oswald was a degenerate nut, We have evidence he had the skill to kill Kennedy, We have evidence he committed the act.

We have no evidence anyone else did.

And you went to the national archives and read this evidence???

No.

It is publically available and documented in the Warren Commission report.

On the other hand none of the conspiracy theorists have any evidence a all

 

[rightwinger]

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

A trained sniper would kill a president if he was being paid a hell of a lot of money.
Oswald could barely afford a gun and bus fare

Oswald’s motives?

He was a runt and a loser his whole life. He wanted to go out a big shot. Now, fifty years later, everyone knows his name

So who paid him?
Why would they pay such a loser to do something so important.
A loser who would most assuredly fold under questioning in a matter of hours.

It is obvious that nobody paid Oswald
He had a couple hundred dollars to his name, no car, $20 rifle

Not a highly financed assassination attempt

 

[rightwinger]

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

A trained sniper would kill a president if he was being paid a hell of a lot of money.
Oswald could barely afford a gun and bus fare

Oswald’s motives?

He was a runt and a loser his whole life. He wanted to go out a big shot. Now, fifty years later, everyone knows his name

So who paid him?
Why would they pay such a loser to do something so important.
A loser who would most assuredly fold under questioning in a matter of hours.

No one paid him he acted alone.

Losers commit murder all the time and sometimes fold under questioning and sometimes not.

To his credit,, Oswald did not fold under questioning

They beat the shit out of him and he still claimed he didn’t do it. But many small time thugs do the same

 

[Dale Smith]

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

A trained sniper would kill a president if he was being paid a hell of a lot of money.
Oswald could barely afford a gun and bus fare

Oswald’s motives?

He was a runt and a loser his whole life. He wanted to go out a big shot. Now, fifty years later, everyone knows his name

So who paid him?
Why would they pay such a loser to do something so important.
A loser who would most assuredly fold under questioning in a matter of hours.

Back and to the left, a gunshot wound to the throat, a shot through the windshield, one missed shot that hit the pavement that caused a piece of the pavement that put a cut under the eye of a bystander. Audio where you can hear two consecutive shots that a bolt action rifle could not duplicate. There were at least six shooters strategically placed. G.H Bush, Nixon, Johnson, Lansdale and J. Edgar Hoover were all in Dallas on that day along with some of their mafia pals. Kennedy's body taken at gunpoint and shipped to Bethesda, Maryland usurping the jurisdiction of Dallas County.

Anyone that buys the bullshit in the Warren report that including Allen Dulles that was fired by Kennedy is an idiot.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

A trained sniper would kill a president if he was being paid a hell of a lot of money.
Oswald could barely afford a gun and bus fare

Oswald’s motives?

He was a runt and a loser his whole life. He wanted to go out a big shot. Now, fifty years later, everyone knows his name

So who paid him?
Why would they pay such a loser to do something so important.
A loser who would most assuredly fold under questioning in a matter of hours.

No one paid him he acted alone.

Losers commit murder all the time and sometimes fold under questioning and sometimes not.

To his credit,, Oswald did not fold under questioning

They beat the shit out of him and he still claimed he didn’t do it. But many small time thugs do the same

Yes small time thugs often do the same thing.

But to be fair one punch to the face is not beating the shit out of someone. Once he was actually arrested the Dallas PD behaved very professionally with him. They did not rough him up after he was placed in custody and they were very careful to safeguard his rights. They knew it would be the most talked about criminal case in history and they did not want anyone accusing them of mistreating the suspect.

The Dallas PD actually did a magnificent job investigating the crime and developing a great deal of evidence in the 48 hours or so after he was arrested.

Unfortunately they destroyed all of this with a moment of negligence which allowed Ruby to slip in and kill Oswald which of course erased all of their excellent work and made the entire department look incompetent.

As the saying goes you are most remembered for your last failure and not for all the good stuff you did before that failure. Dallas PD suffered that fate.

We can obviously never know but I believe it is likely Oswald was biding his time. Had he gone to trial, which is what he was waiting for, he would have turned it into a circus all about himself. He would have preached Marxist doctrine and tried to make himself out to be the hero of the revolution. He wanted a stage and once he got on it he probably would have admitted his guilt or at least stopped denying it. He probably would have said something to the effect of he murdered no one he instead struck a blow against the evil capitalist system blah blah blah.