Warren Commission was correct........Oswald acted alone

[Soupnazi630]

Oh yes.....the Grassy Knoll

Which brings about the question of the three shots. If there were two shooters with the President’s car in a crossfire ....why did they only manage to get off three shots?

Why were three expended cartridges found in the sixth floor shooters nest?

It was a magic bullet!!!! ROTFLMAO!

Finding three bullet casings by the very same ones that were part of the conspiracy would only impress someone like you with limited abilities to think. There were at least six shooters along Elm street. Some were mob hit men and others were CIA assets. Oswald never fired a shot. The only print on the bolt action rifle was that of his palm that was put on the butt of the rifle after he was toe-tagged.

Bullets are not magical. The magic bullet theory was invented by conspiracy theorists. Jim Garrison claimed to have been the one who invented the term but many loonies have repeated the story. Unfortunately it is a proven myth which you have clearly fallen for.

You are using a circular argument which like all circular argument is self defeating . Your premise is there was a conspiracy which planted evidence and the planted evidence is what proves the conspiracy. But you have no evidence that it WAS planted or that there was a conspiracy. The casings were proven to have been cycled through Oswald's rifle as were ALL of the recovered bullets and bullet fragments. This is not evidence of multiple shooters it is evidence of ONE shooter.

The palm print was not on the butt it was found on the receiver which is exactly where it would be found after he dis assembled and re assembled the rifle. He was dead when they found it but it was not put there.

You have no evidence of multiple shooters. It is nothing more than a partisan myth

Well, the absence of evidence means one of two things, either somebody destroyed evidence, which we know is the case, or you may be right. However, Oswald appears to not have the skill to pull this off. At best, it was pure luck.

And that is core of conspiracy theories

That the absence of evidence is their evidence

Yes. Same thing with Russian Collusion.
A non-crime being investigate with no end in sight.

Apples and oranges.

 

[mudwhistle]

Well, the absence of evidence means one of two things, either somebody destroyed evidence, which we know is the case, or you may be right. However, Oswald appears to not have the skill to pull this off. At best, it was pure luck.

There is no absence of evidence.
'
The evidence exists and is overwhelming that Oswald shot Kennedy. The absence of evidence of a conspiracy means there was no conspiracy. You cannot point to an absence of evidence and use it AS evidence that there was one.

In fact Oswald did have the skill. He needed no skill to be there he worked there and was employed there well before the motorcade route was planned so being there required no skill. Oswald was a Marine and the Marines have the best basic rifle marksmanship training in the military. He was rated a sharpshooter and had experience hunting.

The actually shooting skill needed was not that challenging. Kennedy was less than 100 yards away moving very slowly and almost directly away from Oswald;s point of view. This makes for a very easy shot or shots which any soldier, marine or even the average deer hunter could have made.

Anyone with some shooting experience can easily look out of the windows of the sixth floor of the texas school book depository and realize it was no problem at all for Oswald to have hit Kennedy 3 out of 3 times.

I guess nerves and adrenaline never plays a part in shooting.
A hired killer would have no problem scoring 3 out of 3.
A scared nutcase, probably not.

I corrected that to 2 out of 3 times.

Of course nerves and adrenaline can pay a role they may have in fact played a role in Oswald missing the first shot. But the claim that they effect someone does not argue that he was innocent after all if it did then NO One would be guilty of murder with a gun.

So a scared nutcase probably yes.

If he missed the first shot, this can cause panic, and then the shooter would be shooting wildly, not accurately.
Unless he had a spotter to tell him how to adjust his fire.
I've been in live life or death situations, and hitting the target isn't always easy when you're scared or unsure of your weapon. For a hired killer, the setup was perfect. As matter of fact, it was too perfect not to be a conspiracy.


I think the only way you can say for sure you have an accurate simulation is take some scared inexperienced Jarhead up there thinking he was committing murder, and simulate the same exact conditions, heat, humidity, time of day, etc, and then you'd get some sort of idea what he had to deal with.

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

 

[mudwhistle]

It was a magic bullet!!!! ROTFLMAO!

Finding three bullet casings by the very same ones that were part of the conspiracy would only impress someone like you with limited abilities to think. There were at least six shooters along Elm street. Some were mob hit men and others were CIA assets. Oswald never fired a shot. The only print on the bolt action rifle was that of his palm that was put on the butt of the rifle after he was toe-tagged.

Bullets are not magical. The magic bullet theory was invented by conspiracy theorists. Jim Garrison claimed to have been the one who invented the term but many loonies have repeated the story. Unfortunately it is a proven myth which you have clearly fallen for.

You are using a circular argument which like all circular argument is self defeating . Your premise is there was a conspiracy which planted evidence and the planted evidence is what proves the conspiracy. But you have no evidence that it WAS planted or that there was a conspiracy. The casings were proven to have been cycled through Oswald's rifle as were ALL of the recovered bullets and bullet fragments. This is not evidence of multiple shooters it is evidence of ONE shooter.

The palm print was not on the butt it was found on the receiver which is exactly where it would be found after he dis assembled and re assembled the rifle. He was dead when they found it but it was not put there.

You have no evidence of multiple shooters. It is nothing more than a partisan myth

Well, the absence of evidence means one of two things, either somebody destroyed evidence, which we know is the case, or you may be right. However, Oswald appears to not have the skill to pull this off. At best, it was pure luck.

And that is core of conspiracy theories

That the absence of evidence is their evidence

Yes. Same thing with Russian Collusion.
A non-crime being investigate with no end in sight.

Apples and oranges.

Hmmmm.

In the Russian Collusion investigation the absence of evidence only means the investigation must continue.
In this case, the absence of evidence means that there can be only one conclusion. No further investigation needed.

 

[rightwinger]

Bullets are not magical. The magic bullet theory was invented by conspiracy theorists. Jim Garrison claimed to have been the one who invented the term but many loonies have repeated the story. Unfortunately it is a proven myth which you have clearly fallen for.

You are using a circular argument which like all circular argument is self defeating . Your premise is there was a conspiracy which planted evidence and the planted evidence is what proves the conspiracy. But you have no evidence that it WAS planted or that there was a conspiracy. The casings were proven to have been cycled through Oswald's rifle as were ALL of the recovered bullets and bullet fragments. This is not evidence of multiple shooters it is evidence of ONE shooter.

The palm print was not on the butt it was found on the receiver which is exactly where it would be found after he dis assembled and re assembled the rifle. He was dead when they found it but it was not put there.

You have no evidence of multiple shooters. It is nothing more than a partisan myth

Well, the absence of evidence means one of two things, either somebody destroyed evidence, which we know is the case, or you may be right. However, Oswald appears to not have the skill to pull this off. At best, it was pure luck.

And that is core of conspiracy theories

That the absence of evidence is their evidence

Yes. Same thing with Russian Collusion.
A non-crime being investigate with no end in sight.

Apples and oranges.

Hmmmm.

In the Russian Collusion investigation the absence of evidence only means the investigation must continue.
In this case, the absence of evidence means that there can be only one conclusion. No further investigation needed.

Poor example on your part

There is plenty of evidence warranting an investigation of Russian Collusion

Key Trump aids meeting with Russian agents, curious financial dealings with Russia, statements Trump made defending Russia

OK your turn
What evidence do you have to support a decision that Oswald had help

 

[Soupnazi630]

There is no absence of evidence.
'
The evidence exists and is overwhelming that Oswald shot Kennedy. The absence of evidence of a conspiracy means there was no conspiracy. You cannot point to an absence of evidence and use it AS evidence that there was one.

In fact Oswald did have the skill. He needed no skill to be there he worked there and was employed there well before the motorcade route was planned so being there required no skill. Oswald was a Marine and the Marines have the best basic rifle marksmanship training in the military. He was rated a sharpshooter and had experience hunting.

The actually shooting skill needed was not that challenging. Kennedy was less than 100 yards away moving very slowly and almost directly away from Oswald;s point of view. This makes for a very easy shot or shots which any soldier, marine or even the average deer hunter could have made.

Anyone with some shooting experience can easily look out of the windows of the sixth floor of the texas school book depository and realize it was no problem at all for Oswald to have hit Kennedy 3 out of 3 times.

I guess nerves and adrenaline never plays a part in shooting.
A hired killer would have no problem scoring 3 out of 3.
A scared nutcase, probably not.

I corrected that to 2 out of 3 times.

Of course nerves and adrenaline can pay a role they may have in fact played a role in Oswald missing the first shot. But the claim that they effect someone does not argue that he was innocent after all if it did then NO One would be guilty of murder with a gun.

So a scared nutcase probably yes.

If he missed the first shot, this can cause panic, and then the shooter would be shooting wildly, not accurately.
Unless he had a spotter to tell him how to adjust his fire.
I've been in live life or death situations, and hitting the target isn't always easy when you're scared or unsure of your weapon. For a hired killer, the setup was perfect. As matter of fact, it was too perfect not to be a conspiracy.


I think the only way you can say for sure you have an accurate simulation is take some scared inexperienced Jarhead up there thinking he was committing murder, and simulate the same exact conditions, heat, humidity, time of day, etc, and then you'd get some sort of idea what he had to deal with.

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Bullets are not magical. The magic bullet theory was invented by conspiracy theorists. Jim Garrison claimed to have been the one who invented the term but many loonies have repeated the story. Unfortunately it is a proven myth which you have clearly fallen for.

You are using a circular argument which like all circular argument is self defeating . Your premise is there was a conspiracy which planted evidence and the planted evidence is what proves the conspiracy. But you have no evidence that it WAS planted or that there was a conspiracy. The casings were proven to have been cycled through Oswald's rifle as were ALL of the recovered bullets and bullet fragments. This is not evidence of multiple shooters it is evidence of ONE shooter.

The palm print was not on the butt it was found on the receiver which is exactly where it would be found after he dis assembled and re assembled the rifle. He was dead when they found it but it was not put there.

You have no evidence of multiple shooters. It is nothing more than a partisan myth

Well, the absence of evidence means one of two things, either somebody destroyed evidence, which we know is the case, or you may be right. However, Oswald appears to not have the skill to pull this off. At best, it was pure luck.

And that is core of conspiracy theories

That the absence of evidence is their evidence

Yes. Same thing with Russian Collusion.
A non-crime being investigate with no end in sight.

Apples and oranges.

Hmmmm.

In the Russian Collusion investigation the absence of evidence only means the investigation must continue.
In this case, the absence of evidence means that there can be only one conclusion. No further investigation needed.

False equivalence.

 

[rightwinger]

I guess nerves and adrenaline never plays a part in shooting.
A hired killer would have no problem scoring 3 out of 3.
A scared nutcase, probably not.

I corrected that to 2 out of 3 times.

Of course nerves and adrenaline can pay a role they may have in fact played a role in Oswald missing the first shot. But the claim that they effect someone does not argue that he was innocent after all if it did then NO One would be guilty of murder with a gun.

So a scared nutcase probably yes.

If he missed the first shot, this can cause panic, and then the shooter would be shooting wildly, not accurately.
Unless he had a spotter to tell him how to adjust his fire.
I've been in live life or death situations, and hitting the target isn't always easy when you're scared or unsure of your weapon. For a hired killer, the setup was perfect. As matter of fact, it was too perfect not to be a conspiracy.


I think the only way you can say for sure you have an accurate simulation is take some scared inexperienced Jarhead up there thinking he was committing murder, and simulate the same exact conditions, heat, humidity, time of day, etc, and then you'd get some sort of idea what he had to deal with.

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Which helps affirm the fact that Oswald acted alone

He had no hope of escape. Once he killed JFK and left the building it would quickly be checked which employee was missing. With Oswald’s record, he would quickly become prime suspect

As it is, he only lasted an hour and a half on the street

In a conspiracy, they would want Oswald away from the scene as quickly as possible. A car would be waiting nearby and like you said, Oswald would have been killed before he could talk to police

 

[candycorn]

On November 21, 1963 Oswald learned the JFK motorcade would be passing by his window at work the next day. So he went home, brought his rifle to work the next morning and fired three shots at the President. One of which blew his brains out

That is all there is

doubtful

Not doubtful at all as it is what the evidence proves.

Sure….that is why one of the few guys (if not the only guy) who defected from the US to Russia, then back during the height of the cold war, a guy who visits the Cuban and Russian embassies in Mexico city a month before the assassination, a guy who as, at the very least, a visible Pro-Castro activist…just happened to be on the motorcade route.

Hell of a coincidence; or at least 4 of them.

 

[mudwhistle]

Well, the absence of evidence means one of two things, either somebody destroyed evidence, which we know is the case, or you may be right. However, Oswald appears to not have the skill to pull this off. At best, it was pure luck.

And that is core of conspiracy theories

That the absence of evidence is their evidence

Yes. Same thing with Russian Collusion.
A non-crime being investigate with no end in sight.

Apples and oranges.

Hmmmm.

In the Russian Collusion investigation the absence of evidence only means the investigation must continue.
In this case, the absence of evidence means that there can be only one conclusion. No further investigation needed.

Poor example on your part

There is plenty of evidence warranting an investigation of Russian Collusion

Key Trump aids meeting with Russian agents, curious financial dealings with Russia, statements Trump made defending Russia

OK your turn
What evidence do you have to support a decision that Oswald had help

None, thus we must continue the investigation forever until we find something.


Some Russian that the Hillary campaign paid to establish contact with Trump officials talks to a couple of people and this is evidence of Collusion?
What it does establish is evidence of several attempts by a political opponent to conduct espionage.

 

[Soupnazi630]

On November 21, 1963 Oswald learned the JFK motorcade would be passing by his window at work the next day. So he went home, brought his rifle to work the next morning and fired three shots at the President. One of which blew his brains out

That is all there is

doubtful

Not doubtful at all as it is what the evidence proves.

Sure….that is why one of the few guys (if not the only guy) who defected from the US to Russia, then back during the height of the cold war, a guy who visits the Cuban and Russian embassies in Mexico city a month before the assassination, a guy who as, at the very least, a visible Pro-Castro activist…just happened to be on the motorcade route.

Hell of a coincidence; or at least 4 of them.

Coincidences are normal.

Stranger things have happened. Sure the coincidences may be cause for suspicion but they prove nothing and there is no evidence of a conspiracy despite endless books and videos on the subject.

He was on the motorcade route because he worked there and took the job before the route was even planned. That is evidence that it was in fact NOT a conspiracy unless you wish to implicate the Secret Service who planned the route, which would be unrealistic and preposterous.

Either that or the conspirators had amazing precognition and could see the future.

IF Oswald were hired to work at the depository AFTER the route was planned then you might have something but he was hired there before the route was planned which ruins the conspiracy theory.

 

[rightwinger]

On November 21, 1963 Oswald learned the JFK motorcade would be passing by his window at work the next day. So he went home, brought his rifle to work the next morning and fired three shots at the President. One of which blew his brains out

That is all there is

doubtful

Not doubtful at all as it is what the evidence proves.

Sure….that is why one of the few guys (if not the only guy) who defected from the US to Russia, then back during the height of the cold war, a guy who visits the Cuban and Russian embassies in Mexico city a month before the assassination, a guy who as, at the very least, a visible Pro-Castro activist…just happened to be on the motorcade route.

Hell of a coincidence; or at least 4 of them.

Some coincidence

After the fall of the USSR they released the Oswald files
Other than he was a creep who was not trusted, nothing there

 

[Soupnazi630]

And that is core of conspiracy theories

That the absence of evidence is their evidence

Yes. Same thing with Russian Collusion.
A non-crime being investigate with no end in sight.

Apples and oranges.

Hmmmm.

In the Russian Collusion investigation the absence of evidence only means the investigation must continue.
In this case, the absence of evidence means that there can be only one conclusion. No further investigation needed.

Poor example on your part

There is plenty of evidence warranting an investigation of Russian Collusion

Key Trump aids meeting with Russian agents, curious financial dealings with Russia, statements Trump made defending Russia

OK your turn
What evidence do you have to support a decision that Oswald had help

None, thus we must continue the investigation forever until we find something.


Some Russian that the Hillary campaign paid to establish contact with Trump officials talks to a couple of people and this is evidence of Collusion?
What it does establish is evidence of several attempts by a political opponent to conduct espionage.

Comparing Trump collusion with JFK is not valid it is apples and oranges. I agree there is no evidence of collusion and the investigation is junk but in the case of JFK they investigated exhaustively and DID find massive evidence.

Your trying for a false equivalency.

 

[Soupnazi630]

On November 21, 1963 Oswald learned the JFK motorcade would be passing by his window at work the next day. So he went home, brought his rifle to work the next morning and fired three shots at the President. One of which blew his brains out

That is all there is

doubtful

Not doubtful at all as it is what the evidence proves.

Sure….that is why one of the few guys (if not the only guy) who defected from the US to Russia, then back during the height of the cold war, a guy who visits the Cuban and Russian embassies in Mexico city a month before the assassination, a guy who as, at the very least, a visible Pro-Castro activist…just happened to be on the motorcade route.

Hell of a coincidence; or at least 4 of them.

BTW he did not defect.

One cannot defect from the USA as it is a fre country and you may leave when and as you wish. One defects from nations like the USSR where they do not allow people to escape.

After the fall of the USSR the files and archives of the USSR were opened and it turns out they had nothing to do with it. They did not like or trust Oswald and only the foreign ministry of the USSR intervened and allowed him to stay. The Rest of the government wanted to send him back as they considered him a useless fool, The foreign ministry decided they wanted him to stay because he attempted suicide and they felt that if the media got hold of that information it would negatively impact the planned summit between Khruschev and Ike. When they let him stay they stashed him away in an obscure out of the way corner where he could not be a nuisance and were quite happy to get rid of him when he decided to return to the US.

The same archives also reveal that it was the USSR who advised the cubans to turn the guy away as they still knew h was a nut and an idiot.,

 

[mudwhistle]

I guess nerves and adrenaline never plays a part in shooting.
A hired killer would have no problem scoring 3 out of 3.
A scared nutcase, probably not.

I corrected that to 2 out of 3 times.

Of course nerves and adrenaline can pay a role they may have in fact played a role in Oswald missing the first shot. But the claim that they effect someone does not argue that he was innocent after all if it did then NO One would be guilty of murder with a gun.

So a scared nutcase probably yes.

If he missed the first shot, this can cause panic, and then the shooter would be shooting wildly, not accurately.
Unless he had a spotter to tell him how to adjust his fire.
I've been in live life or death situations, and hitting the target isn't always easy when you're scared or unsure of your weapon. For a hired killer, the setup was perfect. As matter of fact, it was too perfect not to be a conspiracy.


I think the only way you can say for sure you have an accurate simulation is take some scared inexperienced Jarhead up there thinking he was committing murder, and simulate the same exact conditions, heat, humidity, time of day, etc, and then you'd get some sort of idea what he had to deal with.

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

 

[candycorn]

On November 21, 1963 Oswald learned the JFK motorcade would be passing by his window at work the next day. So he went home, brought his rifle to work the next morning and fired three shots at the President. One of which blew his brains out

That is all there is

doubtful

Not doubtful at all as it is what the evidence proves.

Sure….that is why one of the few guys (if not the only guy) who defected from the US to Russia, then back during the height of the cold war, a guy who visits the Cuban and Russian embassies in Mexico city a month before the assassination, a guy who as, at the very least, a visible Pro-Castro activist…just happened to be on the motorcade route.

Hell of a coincidence; or at least 4 of them.

Coincidences are normal.

Stranger things have happened. Sure the coincidences may be cause for suspicion but they prove nothing and there is no evidence of a conspiracy despite endless books and videos on the subject.

He was on the motorcade route because he worked there and took the job before the route was even planned. That is evidence that it was in fact NOT a conspiracy unless you wish to implicate the Secret Service who planned the route, which would be unrealistic and preposterous.

Either that or the conspirators had amazing precognition and could see the future.

IF Oswald were hired to work at the depository AFTER the route was planned then you might have something but he was hired there before the route was planned which ruins the conspiracy theory.

ok.

 

[candycorn]

On November 21, 1963 Oswald learned the JFK motorcade would be passing by his window at work the next day. So he went home, brought his rifle to work the next morning and fired three shots at the President. One of which blew his brains out

That is all there is

doubtful

Not doubtful at all as it is what the evidence proves.

Sure….that is why one of the few guys (if not the only guy) who defected from the US to Russia, then back during the height of the cold war, a guy who visits the Cuban and Russian embassies in Mexico city a month before the assassination, a guy who as, at the very least, a visible Pro-Castro activist…just happened to be on the motorcade route.

Hell of a coincidence; or at least 4 of them.

BTW he did not defect.

One cannot defect from the USA as it is a fre country and you may leave when and as you wish. One defects from nations like the USSR where they do not allow people to escape.

After the fall of the USSR the files and archives of the USSR were opened and it turns out they had nothing to do with it. They did not like or trust Oswald and only the foreign ministry of the USSR intervened and allowed him to stay. The Rest of the government wanted to send him back as they considered him a useless fool, The foreign ministry decided they wanted him to stay because he attempted suicide and they felt that if the media got hold of that information it would negatively impact the planned summit between Khruschev and Ike. When they let him stay they stashed him away in an obscure out of the way corner where he could not be a nuisance and were quite happy to get rid of him when he decided to return to the US.

The same archives also reveal that it was the USSR who advised the cubans to turn the guy away as they still knew h was a nut and an idiot.,

I have no doubt he was a nut and an idiot.

 

[candycorn]

On November 21, 1963 Oswald learned the JFK motorcade would be passing by his window at work the next day. So he went home, brought his rifle to work the next morning and fired three shots at the President. One of which blew his brains out

That is all there is

doubtful

Not doubtful at all as it is what the evidence proves.

Sure….that is why one of the few guys (if not the only guy) who defected from the US to Russia, then back during the height of the cold war, a guy who visits the Cuban and Russian embassies in Mexico city a month before the assassination, a guy who as, at the very least, a visible Pro-Castro activist…just happened to be on the motorcade route.

Hell of a coincidence; or at least 4 of them.

Some coincidence

After the fall of the USSR they released the Oswald files
Other than he was a creep who was not trusted, nothing there

I have no doubt he was a creep. Then again, I think his assassinating JFK confirmed that; don’t you?

 

[Soupnazi630]

I corrected that to 2 out of 3 times.

Of course nerves and adrenaline can pay a role they may have in fact played a role in Oswald missing the first shot. But the claim that they effect someone does not argue that he was innocent after all if it did then NO One would be guilty of murder with a gun.

So a scared nutcase probably yes.

If he missed the first shot, this can cause panic, and then the shooter would be shooting wildly, not accurately.
Unless he had a spotter to tell him how to adjust his fire.
I've been in live life or death situations, and hitting the target isn't always easy when you're scared or unsure of your weapon. For a hired killer, the setup was perfect. As matter of fact, it was too perfect not to be a conspiracy.


I think the only way you can say for sure you have an accurate simulation is take some scared inexperienced Jarhead up there thinking he was committing murder, and simulate the same exact conditions, heat, humidity, time of day, etc, and then you'd get some sort of idea what he had to deal with.

Quite wrong actually.

Oswald clearly intended to kill the president. Nerves may have affected the first shot but his nervousness would have decreased or vanished after the first shot and he would have settled in. This is because once the first shot is fired he is committed and there is no turning back.

There was no perfect set up for a hired killer in fact there seldom is such a thing which is really an invention of hollywood much like the triangulation of fire nonsense.

This was not a life or death situation for Oswald as he was not fighting for his life he was attempting to commit cold blooded murder.n It was not a kill or be killed situation. The nerves if he had such a problem would have come from knowing that he was essentially ending his own life after taking the shot. Once the first shot is fired though there is no turning back.


As I said people murder other people every day. Stating they cannot do so because they are scared is not a valid argument.

I think a trained sniper would react that way.
Especially if they had a weapon they were extremely familiar with.
I don't know enough about the facts to say that about this situation.

Anyone would react that way.

You're over looking the fact that a trained sniper would have been MORE nervous than Oswald would have been. A trained sniper recruited to kill Kennedy would have been just as frightened as Oswald about the consequences of his actions. Like Oswald he would have known that once he took the shot the entire federal state and local government will be after him.

But unlike Oswald who acted alone a trained sniper would know that his life was also in danger by the very people who hired him. Such a man would KNOW that the people who recruited him would want to tie up loose and and would want him dead. Therefore he has to worry about who is right behind him or in the next room or waiting for him in a safehouse or at home or whatever. Oswald had only the consequences of his actions to worry about. A trained sniper would know that someone crazy enough to want to kill the president would also want HIM dead.

Nope.
A trained sniper would figure that JFK was being killed for a good reason. Perhaps he felt that JFK was a threat similar to Donald J. Trump. Someone who threatened the establishment. Someone who said he may totally change the FBI and CIA. Not to mention rub elbows with likes of communists like MLK. JFK needed to die, according to the shooter. The shooter would think he was saving the country from a great danger, and thus the powers that be owed him a debt. It doesn't make much sense that Oswald would do this. What were his motives?
Usually a hit results in no motive. John Wilks Booth had a motive. What was Oswald's?

Wrong.

On the one hand you say a trained sniper was recruited and hired for the murder but then you argue that such a person would have motive to kill. That is contradictory. Such a hired shooter would care nothing except surviving and getting paid.

You cannot have it both ways that it was a hired hitman and also motivated to by politics or hatred that he WANTED to kill Kennedy. Furthermore you ignore that hiring a hitman would have made said hitman scared as he would have logically known that the conspirators would want him dead after the fact.

Yes Oswald had motives as well and like Oswald we do not know precisely what Boothe's motives were because he died before he could explain the motives.

In both cases we cannot ever know for sure but we can make educated guesses about the motives and they are good guesses based on evidence.

IN the end motive is often guessed at. When lawyers present motive in court it is usually inferred rather than proven because the accused typically does not confess and therefore does not express a motive.

This is why the evidence of motive is not as important as the evidence proving who did it. We have evidence OSwald did it. We have no evidence anyone else was involved. Therefore since his motive can only be inferred it is more valid than your pure speculation.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yes. Same thing with Russian Collusion.
A non-crime being investigate with no end in sight.

Apples and oranges.

Hmmmm.

In the Russian Collusion investigation the absence of evidence only means the investigation must continue.
In this case, the absence of evidence means that there can be only one conclusion. No further investigation needed.

Poor example on your part

There is plenty of evidence warranting an investigation of Russian Collusion

Key Trump aids meeting with Russian agents, curious financial dealings with Russia, statements Trump made defending Russia

OK your turn
What evidence do you have to support a decision that Oswald had help

None, thus we must continue the investigation forever until we find something.


Some Russian that the Hillary campaign paid to establish contact with Trump officials talks to a couple of people and this is evidence of Collusion?
What it does establish is evidence of several attempts by a political opponent to conduct espionage.

Comparing Trump collusion with JFK is not valid it is apples and oranges. I agree there is no evidence of collusion and the investigation is junk but in the case of JFK they investigated exhaustively and DID find massive evidence.

Your trying for a false equivalency.

Actually I'm pointing out a fallacy in the current investigation.
Most of the misinformation in the JFK assassination is thanks to kooks, Hollywood, and media speculation. I find it strange how first JFK was killed, 5 years later MLK is assassinated, then 2 months later RFK is assassinated. All of the above were trying to change America, or all the above were tied in with the same people. Why were they killed?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

MLK and RBJ didn't get killed in the same year but only by forces who wanted them both dead.

Nixon got beat bad with RJK and sure as the shit didn't want to go up against a different Kennedy.

Nixon was going to beat Bobby.