Warm Good-Cold Bad part II

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Just wanted to add a little more information to the warm vs cold debate and how the Chris's konrads and old frauds of the world think that cold is so much better than what we have.

While Chris has been bleating about the warmth across Russia and the ensuing wildfires (caused by an excess of fuel brought on by the severe winter that preceeded the current fire season) and the temps across the eastern US, he has been studiously ignoring those areas where it is colder than normal.

In the southwest it has been far colder than normal. And in South America the winter has been truly epic.

Snow in Brazil, below zero Celsius in the River Plate and tropical fish frozen — MercoPress

But that is not the point I want to make here. Warmth for the most part is far preferable to cold. The months of December January, and February see 800 more people die per day than the entire rest of the year. That's correct 72,000 more Americans die in winter than all the rest of the year.

The three months with the lowest mortality? June, July, and August.

I have linked the paper by Indur Goklany and just to save old fraud the time I also have linked the sourcewatch hit piece on the good Doctor. Seems they don't have much other than he's apparently a sceptic. However he also worked for the Dept. of the Interior so his source material is pretty solid.

http://www.csccc.info/reports/report_23.pdf

Indur Goklany - SourceWatch
 
"One of the predictions of Global Warming is that there will be wider and wilder swings in the weather, with an overall warming"

Sure, Walleyes, warm is good. Tell that to the Russians.
 
"One of the predictions of Global Warming is that there will be wider and wilder swings in the weather, with an overall warming"

Sure, Walleyes, warm is good. Tell that to the Russians.




I don't see a lot of Russians being killed by the heat there old fraud. Why don't you tell it to the extra 72,000 Americans who die during the winter, and their families who mourn them.

And how is that resignation from Evraz coming there old fraud...still polluting I see.
 
There's still the matter of the spread of tropical diseases. That's a "warm-bad" scenario. Increases in rainfall to the extent of flooding is also a "warm-bad" outcome.
 
There's still the matter of the spread of tropical diseases. That's a "warm-bad" scenario. Increases in rainfall to the extent of flooding is also a "warm-bad" outcome.




Wrong again bucko. The ratio stays the same it doesn't magically increase. But that's simple math, no wonder you can't grasp it. Flooding of the Nile was central to the development of the Egyptian civilisation. Flooding helps most other areas too so long as the communities are built away from flood plains. The problems with most third world nations is they build where they shouldn't. That's just simple stupidity. That can be fixed.
 
There's still the matter of the spread of tropical diseases. That's a "warm-bad" scenario. Increases in rainfall to the extent of flooding is also a "warm-bad" outcome.




Wrong again bucko. The ratio stays the same it doesn't magically increase. But that's simple math, no wonder you can't grasp it. Flooding of the Nile was central to the development of the Egyptian civilisation. Flooding helps most other areas too so long as the communities are built away from flood plains. The problems with most third world nations is they build where they shouldn't. That's just simple stupidity. That can be fixed.

LOL!!! You can't get Americans to move off the MS flood plain or barrier islands without complaints about the 'gubmint' getting into people's business! How are you going to do that around the world? I don't understand what I'm supposedly wrong about. There's no ratio involved that has any bearing on this discussion. It appears to me that you're just throwing things out there to try and confuse. You haven't answered the tropical disease or flood questions at all, IMO.
 
There's still the matter of the spread of tropical diseases. That's a "warm-bad" scenario. Increases in rainfall to the extent of flooding is also a "warm-bad" outcome.




Wrong again bucko. The ratio stays the same it doesn't magically increase. But that's simple math, no wonder you can't grasp it. Flooding of the Nile was central to the development of the Egyptian civilisation. Flooding helps most other areas too so long as the communities are built away from flood plains. The problems with most third world nations is they build where they shouldn't. That's just simple stupidity. That can be fixed.

LOL!!! You can't get Americans to move off the MS flood plain or barrier islands without complaints about the 'gubmint' getting into people's business! How are you going to do that around the world? I don't understand what I'm supposedly wrong about. There's no ratio involved that has any bearing on this discussion. It appears to me that you're just throwing things out there to try and confuse. You haven't answered the tropical disease or flood questions at all, IMO.




Why prey tell will tropical diseases increase? They operate independantly of temperature.
Air travel has been the single largest mechanism for the dispersion of tropical disease.
 
Wrong again bucko. The ratio stays the same it doesn't magically increase. But that's simple math, no wonder you can't grasp it. Flooding of the Nile was central to the development of the Egyptian civilisation. Flooding helps most other areas too so long as the communities are built away from flood plains. The problems with most third world nations is they build where they shouldn't. That's just simple stupidity. That can be fixed.

LOL!!! You can't get Americans to move off the MS flood plain or barrier islands without complaints about the 'gubmint' getting into people's business! How are you going to do that around the world? I don't understand what I'm supposedly wrong about. There's no ratio involved that has any bearing on this discussion. It appears to me that you're just throwing things out there to try and confuse. You haven't answered the tropical disease or flood questions at all, IMO.




Why prey tell will tropical diseases increase? They operate independantly of temperature.
Air travel has been the single largest mechanism for the dispersion of tropical disease.

100% independently?!?! I hardly think so. Besides, increased air travel would merely exacerbate the spread of disease, rather than being a root cause. Under normal, cooler conditions, tropical diseases would have limited staying power in temperate climes. That equation changes dramatically, if increases in GHGs causes a long-term heat rise.
 
Early Warning Signs of Global Warming: Spreading Disease | Union of Concerned Scientists

Early Warning Signs of Global Warming: Spreading Disease
Climate change affects the occurrence and spread of disease by impacting the population size and range of hosts and pathogens, the length of the transmission season, and the timing and intensity of outbreaks (McMichael, 1996; McMichael et al., 1996; Epstein et al., 1998; Epstein, 1999). In general, warmer temperatures and greater moisture will favor extensions of the geographical range and season for vector organisms such as insects, rodents, and snails. This in turn leads to an expansion of the zone of potential transmission for many vector-borne diseases, among them malaria, dengue fever, yellow fever, and some forms of viral encephalitis. Extreme weather events such as heavy rainfall or droughts often trigger disease outbreaks, especially in poorer regions where treatment and prevention measures may be inadequate.

Mosquitoes in particular are highly sensitive to temperature. The mosquitoes that can carry malaria (Anopheline spp.) generally do not develop or breed below about 16° C, and the variety that transmits dengue fever (Aedes aegypti) is limited by winter temperatures below 10° C. Mosquito survival also drops at their upper temperature threshold, about 40° C. With sufficient moisture, warmer temperatures will generally cause an increase in mosquito abundance, biting rates, and activity level, and will accelerate the incubation of the parasites and viruses within them.

Warmer global temperatures will allow an expansion of the geographic range within which both the mosquito and parasite could survive with sufficient abundance for sustained transmission. Model predictions indicate that a 3° C global temperature rise by 2100 could increase the number of annual malaria cases by 50-80 million (not considering factors such as local control measures or health services) (Martens et al., 1995). The largest changes will occur in areas adjacent to current risk areas, at both higher altitudes and latitudes. In these regions, a temperature increase can convert areas that are malaria-free into areas that experience seasonal epidemics. In many cases, the affected populations will have little or no immunity, so that epidemics could be characterized by high levels of sickness and death
 
Wrong again bucko. The ratio stays the same it doesn't magically increase. But that's simple math, no wonder you can't grasp it. Flooding of the Nile was central to the development of the Egyptian civilisation. Flooding helps most other areas too so long as the communities are built away from flood plains. The problems with most third world nations is they build where they shouldn't. That's just simple stupidity. That can be fixed.

LOL!!! You can't get Americans to move off the MS flood plain or barrier islands without complaints about the 'gubmint' getting into people's business! How are you going to do that around the world? I don't understand what I'm supposedly wrong about. There's no ratio involved that has any bearing on this discussion. It appears to me that you're just throwing things out there to try and confuse. You haven't answered the tropical disease or flood questions at all, IMO.




Why prey tell will tropical diseases increase? They operate independantly of temperature.
Air travel has been the single largest mechanism for the dispersion of tropical disease.
Go study murkin.
aegis aegyptii
 
There's always been dengue in Key West. All this nonsense about us getting tropical mosquito borne diseases in the U.S. because of some marginal increase in temperature is total bullshit. We've already had them. The U.S. came with malaria and most of the other mosquito borne diseases. We sprayed some crap out and treated people for the diseases and bingo! All gone! It's easy for them to be persistent in these tropical places because everyone lives in a hut and when they get malaria the go sit on their porch where a mosquito bites them and then gives it to their neighbor 20 feet away instead of being treated for it and staying inside like we would do here.
 
LOL!!! You can't get Americans to move off the MS flood plain or barrier islands without complaints about the 'gubmint' getting into people's business! How are you going to do that around the world? I don't understand what I'm supposedly wrong about. There's no ratio involved that has any bearing on this discussion. It appears to me that you're just throwing things out there to try and confuse. You haven't answered the tropical disease or flood questions at all, IMO.




Why prey tell will tropical diseases increase? They operate independantly of temperature.
Air travel has been the single largest mechanism for the dispersion of tropical disease.
Go study murkin.
aegis aegyptii



I suggest you do the same. Dengue Fever is mosquito borne same as Malaria. You kill the mosquito you kill the disease. The simple fact is mosquito abatement programs have been defunded and that is causing the increase in all diseases. Now run along and do some studying, you clearly need it Mr. Merkin you're watching FAR TOO MUCH softcore porn!


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxtWEW2nKRI]YouTube - ‪The Distortion of the Malaria Issue by the UN and Al Gore - from The Great Global Warming Swindle‬‎[/ame]
 
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Well gee ravi, I would think the extra 72,000 people that die during the winter months would agree with me that it was better when it was warm. Don't you? I mean they would still be alive and all that.

Hi... Summer of 2003 just called, asking you to cite your claims with a link.

European heatwave caused 35,000 deaths - 10 October 2003 - New Scientist




Yes that was a very sad episode for sure. However when the evidence was reviewed it was found that very few deaths were attributable to hyperthermia. Less than 25% in point of fact. Also it was found that non surprisingly the primary victims were the old (above 74 years old) and the very young. Also it was found that the vast majority of deaths were in the urban areas where the urban island effect was a prime factor in the deaths.

And finally that occured in 2003, one year. EVERY year 72,000 die from cold related effects in the US alone. One other factor that a traditional Japanese physician told me that I found very surprising.. the single most important invention to increase lifespan has been the air conditioner.

The old are particularly susceptible to prolonged heat. Those that died in the 2003 heat wave were for the most part on the lower socio econmic levels and were thus without air conditioning.

Eurosurveillance - View Article
 
Yes that was a very sad episode for sure. However when the evidence was reviewed it was found that very few deaths were attributable to hyperthermia. Less than 25% in point of fact. Also it was found that non surprisingly the primary victims were the old (above 74 years old) and the very young. Also it was found that the vast majority of deaths were in the urban areas where the urban island effect was a prime factor in the deaths.

And finally that occured in 2003, one year. EVERY year 72,000 die from cold related effects in the US alone. One other factor that a traditional Japanese physician told me that I found very surprising.. the single most important invention to increase lifespan has been the air conditioner.

The old are particularly susceptible to prolonged heat. Those that died in the 2003 heat wave were for the most part on the lower socio econmic levels and were thus without air conditioning.

Eurosurveillance - View Article

LOL.... You just tried to offer perspective that the deaths were largely attributable to the old and young and urban. Oh, that clears everything up. Thanks so much. Thus, the middle-aged aged rural people were safe, and there's "nothing to see here! Please stand back!!"

It's interesting that YOUR metric considers "cold-related" effects, whereas mine needs perspective on age demographics and can only include "hyperthermia" related causes.

Just admit your argument failed. You seem desperate to maintain a theory that the vast majority of scientists flat disagree with you on. So much so.

Cold, hot... What's the difference? Point is, climate is volatile, people are dying and economies are crumbling. Is this just part of the Rapture?
 
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Yes that was a very sad episode for sure. However when the evidence was reviewed it was found that very few deaths were attributable to hyperthermia. Less than 25% in point of fact. Also it was found that non surprisingly the primary victims were the old (above 74 years old) and the very young. Also it was found that the vast majority of deaths were in the urban areas where the urban island effect was a prime factor in the deaths.

And finally that occured in 2003, one year. EVERY year 72,000 die from cold related effects in the US alone. One other factor that a traditional Japanese physician told me that I found very surprising.. the single most important invention to increase lifespan has been the air conditioner.

The old are particularly susceptible to prolonged heat. Those that died in the 2003 heat wave were for the most part on the lower socio econmic levels and were thus without air conditioning.

Eurosurveillance - View Article

LOL.... You just tried to offer perspective that the deaths were largely attributable to the old and young and urban. Oh, that clears everything up. Thanks so much. Thus, the middle-aged aged rural people were safe, and there's "nothing to see here! Please stand back!!"

It's interesting that YOUR metric considers "cold-related" effects, whereas mine needs perspective on age demographics and can only include "hyperthermia" related causes.

Just admit your argument failed. You seem desperate to maintain a theory that the vast majority of scientists flat disagree with you on. So much so.

Cold, hot... What's the difference? Point is, climate is volatile, people are dying and economies are crumbling. Is this just part of the Rapture?




How did my argument fail? I think 72k per year is more than 35k in one year. Is that not a true statement? If those facts are indeed true then warm is better than cold by a fairly large margin. Or is 72,000 not a larger number than 35,000?

Now it is being reported that for every one degree C the temperature drops 200 people have heart attacks that otherwise wouldn't. This will obviously affect the old and infirm but once again the cold is the proximal cause.

Heart attacks linked to cold weather, study claims | Science | The Guardian
 

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