War Drums: Netanyahu: Iran Sanctions Not Working...

[Weddell08]

Israelies are the terrorists. We should be fighting them. Some Jews recently tried to bomb a Muslim building. Too bad it didn't make the news.

 

[paulitician]

Israel is welcome to take on Iran.......by themselves.

Not possible. Any Israel attack on Iran will be approved and supported by the U.S. Government. They cannot go it alone. And they won't. We will be involved.

Are you kidding? Israel if cut loose, could lay waste to most of the Middle East. And do that rapidly.

They will need our consent to do so. It's how the relationship works.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Um, in Thailand....(drumroll) they caught one of the IRANIAN TERRORISTS after he accidently blew off his own legs when trying to blow up the police.

As for nuclear scientists trying to help build nukes to kill "the Jews,"big deal. That is like killing Nazi scientists in WWII.

So when Israelis go into a sovereign country and assassinate scientists, there's no problem. Ok, no double standard there...............

Yes, and i'm pretty sure American Citizens wouldn't like it if foreign drones were flying over our Nation and our scientists were being assassinated. Just a hunch anyway.

Non Sequitur.
Besides, it is not the US that has made repeated threats to wipe a nation off the map.
it is not the US that spends heavily on terror organizations.
There is no comparison here. Other than your fear, you have no point.

 

[Pheonixops]

Yeah, we're going to be shooting hellfire missiles into your trailer park.

We're already doing ISR along the border to stop illegals and drugs...but you must be for illegals and drugs invading our country in addition to Iranian terrorists....

Well, gee I hope so. I hope that they are holding and interrogating the OTM's as well, oh that's right, they already are doing that.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Ahhhh, you're a terrorist supporter.

Govt scientists that are part of a terrorist war from Iran are legal targets.

Iran is run by terrorists that support terrorists in Al Qaeda, Lebanese Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.

Their military force, govt leaders and govt scientists are legal targets as terrorists.

If they didn't make statements about wiping Israel off the face of the Earth then Israel wouldn't be killing their govt people. I don't recall seeing Israel killing officials from Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc.....please tell us "cop."

What "terrorist war"? I'm willing to bet that the folks from Lebanon and Palestine think the same thing about the Israelis. So anyone that makes a verbal threat perceived or otherwise should just be attacked?

"On September 25, 1997, Mashal was injected in the ear with a toxin (thought to have been a derivative of the synthetic opiate Fentanyl called Levofentanyl)"
"Allegedly killed Jihad Ahmed Jibril, the leader of the military wing of the PFLP-GC, in Beirut in 2002.[55]

Allegedly killed Ghaleb Awwali, a senior Hezbollah official, in Beirut in 2004.[56]

Alllegedly killed Mahmoud al-Majzoub, a leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, in Sidon in 2006.[57]

The Mossad was suspected of establishing a large spy network in Lebanon, recruited from Druze, Christian, and Sunni Muslim communities, and officials in the Lebanese government, to spy on Hezbollah and its Iranian Revolutionary Guard advisors. Some have allegedly been active since the 1982 Lebanon War. In 2009, Lebanese Security Services supported by Hezbollah's intelligence unit, and working in collaboration with Syria, Iran, and possibly Russia, launched a major crackdown which resulted in the arrests of around 100 alleged spies "working for Israel".[58] Previously, in 2006, the Lebanese army uncovered a network that allegedly assassinated several Lebanese and Palestinian leaders on behalf of Israeli intelligence agency Mossad"

"The alleged killing of Izz El-Deen Sheikh Khalil, a senior member of the military wing of Hamas, in an automobile booby trap in September 2004 in Damascus.[61]

The alleged killing of Muhammad Suleiman, head of Syria's nuclear program, in 2008. Suleiman was killed by a sniper firing from a boat while on a beach in Tartus.[62]

The alleged killing of Imad Mughniyah, a senior leader of Hezbollah complicit in the 1983 United States embassy bombing, with an exploding headrest in Damascus in 2008.["

"The Mossad is suspected of killing Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a senior Hamas military commander, in January 2010 at Dubai, United Arab Emirates. The team which carried out the killing is estimated, on the basis of CCTV and other evidence, to have consisted of at least 26 agents traveling on bogus passports."

They CERTAINLY DO NOT have "clean hands" there "expert". If the Iranians (or any other country) are plotting (material) against Our country, I think that we should take out their operatives. If they actually attempt a larger attack we should act accordingly sans the "nation building" crap. I prefer that we try mutually respectful diplomacy first.

 

[GoneBezerk]

ok hick, go put on your bedsheets....

Israelies are the terrorists. We should be fighting them. Some Jews recently tried to bomb a Muslim building. Too bad it didn't make the news.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Govt scientists that are part of a terrorist war from Iran are legal targets.

Iran is run by terrorists that support terrorists in Al Qaeda, Lebanese Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.

Their military force, govt leaders and govt scientists are legal targets as terrorists.

If they didn't make statements about wiping Israel off the face of the Earth then Israel wouldn't be killing their govt people. I don't recall seeing Israel killing officials from Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc.....please tell us "cop."

What "terrorist war"? I'm willing to bet that the folks from Lebanon and Palestine think the same thing about the Israelis. So anyone that makes a verbal threat perceived or otherwise should just be attacked?

"On September 25, 1997, Mashal was injected in the ear with a toxin (thought to have been a derivative of the synthetic opiate Fentanyl called Levofentanyl)"
"Allegedly killed Jihad Ahmed Jibril, the leader of the military wing of the PFLP-GC, in Beirut in 2002.[55]

Allegedly killed Ghaleb Awwali, a senior Hezbollah official, in Beirut in 2004.[56]

Alllegedly killed Mahmoud al-Majzoub, a leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, in Sidon in 2006.[57]

The Mossad was suspected of establishing a large spy network in Lebanon, recruited from Druze, Christian, and Sunni Muslim communities, and officials in the Lebanese government, to spy on Hezbollah and its Iranian Revolutionary Guard advisors. Some have allegedly been active since the 1982 Lebanon War. In 2009, Lebanese Security Services supported by Hezbollah's intelligence unit, and working in collaboration with Syria, Iran, and possibly Russia, launched a major crackdown which resulted in the arrests of around 100 alleged spies "working for Israel".[58] Previously, in 2006, the Lebanese army uncovered a network that allegedly assassinated several Lebanese and Palestinian leaders on behalf of Israeli intelligence agency Mossad"

"The alleged killing of Izz El-Deen Sheikh Khalil, a senior member of the military wing of Hamas, in an automobile booby trap in September 2004 in Damascus.[61]

The alleged killing of Muhammad Suleiman, head of Syria's nuclear program, in 2008. Suleiman was killed by a sniper firing from a boat while on a beach in Tartus.[62]

The alleged killing of Imad Mughniyah, a senior leader of Hezbollah complicit in the 1983 United States embassy bombing, with an exploding headrest in Damascus in 2008.["

"The Mossad is suspected of killing Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a senior Hamas military commander, in January 2010 at Dubai, United Arab Emirates. The team which carried out the killing is estimated, on the basis of CCTV and other evidence, to have consisted of at least 26 agents traveling on bogus passports."

They CERTAINLY DO NOT have "clean hands" there "expert". If the Iranians (or any other country) are plotting (material) against Our country, I think that we should take out their operatives. If they actually attempt a larger attack we should act accordingly sans the "nation building" crap. I prefer that we try mutually respectful diplomacy first.

Specious argument.
The Arab states are the aggressors.
What you anti-Semites never will admit is that the mere presence of a Jewish State is the impetus of Arab hate toward Jews and Israel.
Several Arab and Persian Gulf nations refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Good God you're an idiot....you just said using dones over the US was bad.

We have drones over the US looking at the border to catch illegals, drugs and (gasp) terrorists.

But you support terrorists and probably like illegals and drugs too like a typical kook.

Yeah, we're going to be shooting hellfire missiles into your trailer park.

We're already doing ISR along the border to stop illegals and drugs...but you must be for illegals and drugs invading our country in addition to Iranian terrorists....

Well, gee I hope so. I hope that they are holding and interrogating the OTM's as well, oh that's right, they already are doing that.

 

[Pheonixops]

I think idiots like you should be put on an island where you can kill each other off, that would be libs and losertarians.

Idiots like you would get millions killed with your crazy ass policies but then you'd blame others like a good kook.

Meanwhile those are the principles that led to the Founding of Our Country.

Not if they would have adhered to the principles of Washington's Farewell address............

Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it - It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it ? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue ? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.

Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.
LINK

 

[GoneBezerk]

You must have that saved for your grand moment here, but meanwhile you can't spell Phoenix correct.....eh, cop.

You have a pea sized brain, that is all....and you support terrorists, terrorist.

I think idiots like you should be put on an island where you can kill each other off, that would be libs and losertarians.

Idiots like you would get millions killed with your crazy ass policies but then you'd blame others like a good kook.

Meanwhile those are the principles that led to the Founding of Our Country.

Not if they would have adhered to the principles of Washington's Farewell address............

Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it - It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it ? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue ? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.

Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.
LINK

 

[GoneBezerk]

Come on "Pheonix" you are a muslim terrorist hiding in Phoenix trying to be Mr PR for your fellow thugs, but you are failing. Allah wants you go stand in traffic tonight in dark clothing, like say the Interstate.

 

[Pheonixops]

Yeah dumbfuck, people in "Phoenix" don't want Predators patrolling the border to protect them from the southern invasion.

Oh, you think they are really spying on you in your compound.....

Yes, and i'm pretty sure American Citizens wouldn't like it if foreign drones were flying over our Nation and our scientists were being assassinated. Just a hunch anyway.

LOL, no doubt.

Hey you fucking "genius" what about foreign drones did you not understand?

 

[Pheonixops]

Ahhhh, you're a terrorist supporter.

No, I am a truth detector and not some white supremacist racist pig. I am a Proud American and a Proud Liberal, not some neocon BIGOT warmonger.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Um, the Paulestinian kook is afraid of "US" drones.

You should be too, terrorist. Come on Abdul, you've been exposed by screwing up your safe house location as Pheonix.

Quick, move to Las Angelles.

Yeah dumbfuck, people in "Phoenix" don't want Predators patrolling the border to protect them from the southern invasion.

Oh, you think they are really spying on you in your compound.....

LOL, no doubt.

Hey you fucking "genius" what about foreign drones did you not understand?

 

[GoneBezerk]

No, you are a terrorist.....you support Iran, LH, Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc.

We understand uneducated foreigners can't spell our cities correctly.

Ahhhh, you're a terrorist supporter.

No, I am a truth detector and not some white supremacist racist pig. I am a Proud American and a Proud Liberal, not some neocon BIGOT warmonger.

 

[Pheonixops]

Specious argument.
The Arab states are the aggressors.
What you anti-Semites never will admit is that the mere presence of a Jewish State is the impetus of Arab hate toward Jews and Israel.
Several Arab and Persian Gulf nations refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.

It's not an "argument", it FACTS. That's your silly opinion. I'm not an "anti-Semite" just because I am not a lackey for Israel. I wish them the best, I respect my Jewish Brothers and Sisters here who favor peace and helped out part of my family during the Civil rights movement in this country. I respect and support my peace loving Israeli Brothers and Sisters as well, so you can take that "anti-Semite' shit and shove it up your ass.

 

[Pheonixops]

Good God you're an idiot....you just said using dones over the US was bad.

We have drones over the US looking at the border to catch illegals, drugs and (gasp) terrorists.

But you support terrorists and probably like illegals and drugs too like a typical kook.

This once again demonstrates how much of a reactionary kook that you are acting like; what about foreign drones do you not understand?

 

[GoneBezerk]

Sure Abdul, you're full of shit.

I'm done with you tonight since I'm going to smoke a cigar and drink beer.

Now go play in traffic like I said......

Specious argument.
The Arab states are the aggressors.
What you anti-Semites never will admit is that the mere presence of a Jewish State is the impetus of Arab hate toward Jews and Israel.
Several Arab and Persian Gulf nations refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.

It's not an "argument", it FACTS. That's your silly opinion. I'm not an "anti-Semite" just because I am not a lackey for Israel. I wish them the best, I respect my Jewish Brothers and Sisters here who favor peace and helped out part of my family during the Civil rights movement in this country. I respect and support my peace loving Israeli Brothers and Sisters as well, so you can take that "anti-Semite' shit and shove it up your ass.

 

[Pheonixops]

You must have that saved for your grand moment here, but meanwhile you can't spell Phoenix correct.....eh, cop.

You have a pea sized brain, that is all....and you support terrorists, terrorist.

LOL, it was a typo that stuck from another forum "genius".

You sound like a rabid right wing psychopath that suffers from paranoia, delusions of grandeur, and just a plain dumb fuck who likes to hurl insults and lies toward people who like to think rationally. You, son are the terrorist, not me. Fucking keyboard commando!

 

[Pheonixops]

Come on "Pheonix" you are a muslim terrorist hiding in Phoenix trying to be Mr PR for your fellow thugs, but you are failing. Allah wants you go stand in traffic tonight in dark clothing, like say the Interstate.

LOL, thanks for the laugh psychopath. I'll drink another beer for you.