War crimes in Libya

[Momanohedhunter]

Yeah and often times slow, torture-filled deaths too.

That's warfare on the dark continent for you.

Yep, it's sad my paycheck has to be involved in these sort of things

It is.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

No and No. I'm just saying these Viagra/Rape stories are ridiculous European/American-funded propaganda. Haven't people learned anything from Wikilieaks? Governments lie to the People 24/7. It's what they do. I actually feel sorry for the people who believe this Viagra/Rape propaganda. It's like they're lost in the Matrix or something. Will they ever wake up?

Will they ever pull there heads out of there ass ? You used the Media as a source that rape is not happening, so you are choosing one liar's lies over anthers then ? You do know that raped woman are considered scum over there right ? That they have a stigma attached to them right ? I would be shocked if BOTH sides were not using rape as a weapon.

Far more Women are raped in the U.S. than in Libya. So it's still not a valid excuse to Bomb & Kill over there. The Europeans & Americans are just creating these stupid lies to justify their own crimes. I say arrest Gaddafi and European/American Officials for War Crimes. They have both committed them in this needless War.

Well, that has been stated by three posters already. As for the rape thing ? you are just wrong. Rape is a different thing here. In other country's, a raped woman is a thing to be reviled, and avoided. Much like you storm front members.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Will they ever pull there heads out of there ass ? You used the Media as a source that rape is not happening, so you are choosing one liar's lies over anthers then ? You do know that raped woman are considered scum over there right ? That they have a stigma attached to them right ? I would be shocked if BOTH sides were not using rape as a weapon.

Far more Women are raped in the U.S. than in Libya. So it's still not a valid excuse to Bomb & Kill over there. The Europeans & Americans are just creating these stupid lies to justify their own crimes. I say arrest Gaddafi and European/American Officials for War Crimes. They have both committed them in this needless War.

Well, that has been stated by three posters already. As for the rape thing ? you are just wrong. Rape is a different thing here. In other country's, a raped woman is a thing reviled, and avoided. Much like you storm front members.

There is absolutely no evidence that Gaddafi ordered anyone to get hopped up on Viagra and go rape women. That is an absurd European/American fabrication. It just didn't happen. This was their Civil War and we had no business getting involved. Now they have to make up stupid shit like this to justify their own War Crimes. We should have just stayed out. Period,end of story.

 

[GHook93]

BlahBlahBlah. Bush Bad, really bad! He lied. Israel pulled the strings. NATO's war in Libya bad! Blah Blah Blah! McKinney is a NUTJOB! Is there an irrelevant nutjobs you don't stand behind?

 

[GHook93]

Why in Gods name did we even get involved in Libya? weren't we already fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Us getting involved in Libya is wrong (ditto for Iraq), but not the the nutjob conspiracy reason this Moron (McKinney) is saying!

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Far more Women are raped in the U.S. than in Libya. So it's still not a valid excuse to Bomb & Kill over there. The Europeans & Americans are just creating these stupid lies to justify their own crimes. I say arrest Gaddafi and European/American Officials for War Crimes. They have both committed them in this needless War.

Well, that has been stated by three posters already. As for the rape thing ? you are just wrong. Rape is a different thing here. In other country's, a raped woman is a thing reviled, and avoided. Much like you storm front members.

There is absolutely no evidence that Gaddafi ordered anyone to get hopped up on Viagra and go rape women. That is an absurd European/American fabrication. It just didn't happen. This was their Civil War and we had no business getting involved. Now they have to make up stupid shit like this to justify their own War Crimes. We should have just stayed out. Period,end of story.

Ok. So now you go back to Gaddifi ordering rape. That will be decided when he is caught. It does not change the fact that rape is going on and being perpetrated by both side most likely. That is how war is fought in many countries. It also does not change the fact that you and PF say the media lies, yet you always quote them to back up your statements. What would a fella call that I wonder ? Now run along with your buddy and go hate on some Jews on Storm front or the daily Paul.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Well, that has been stated by three posters already. As for the rape thing ? you are just wrong. Rape is a different thing here. In other country's, a raped woman is a thing reviled, and avoided. Much like you storm front members.

There is absolutely no evidence that Gaddafi ordered anyone to get hopped up on Viagra and go rape women. That is an absurd European/American fabrication. It just didn't happen. This was their Civil War and we had no business getting involved. Now they have to make up stupid shit like this to justify their own War Crimes. We should have just stayed out. Period,end of story.

Ok. So now you go back to Gaddifi ordering rape. That will be decided when he is caught. It does not change the fact that rape is going on and being perpetrated by both side most likely. That is how war is fought in many countries. It also does not change the fact that you and PF say the media lies, yet you always quote them to back up your statements. What would a fella call that I wonder ? Now run along with your buddy and go hate on some Jews on Storm front or the daily Paul.

What Media Outlet have have i quoted as saying the Europeans/Americans are lying about Gaddafi ordering "Viagra-Fueled Rapes?" I'll wait for your response on that one. Also,as far as hating Jews goes,you haven't proved your assertion that i hate Jews. I'll wait for your response on that one too. Thanks.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

There is absolutely no evidence that Gaddafi ordered anyone to get hopped up on Viagra and go rape women. That is an absurd European/American fabrication. It just didn't happen. This was their Civil War and we had no business getting involved. Now they have to make up stupid shit like this to justify their own War Crimes. We should have just stayed out. Period,end of story.

Ok. So now you go back to Gaddifi ordering rape. That will be decided when he is caught. It does not change the fact that rape is going on and being perpetrated by both side most likely. That is how war is fought in many countries. It also does not change the fact that you and PF say the media lies, yet you always quote them to back up your statements. What would a fella call that I wonder ? Now run along with your buddy and go hate on some Jews on Storm front or the daily Paul.

What Media Outlet have have i quoted as saying the Europeans/Americans are lying about Gaddafi ordering "Viagra-Fueled Rapes?" I'll wait for your response on that one. Also,as far as hating Jews goes,you haven't proved your assertion that i hate Jews. I'll wait for your response on that one too. Thanks.

because you and PF are buds. And as to the media thing, You quote them all over the boards . If they lie why would you quote them as you do here ?

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So if you agree, they are telling the truth, If it is counter to what you believe in, they are corrupt. That's almost hypocrisy isn't it ?. I never said you quoted any news outlet in this thread, on this topic, but you do every ware else. Why spread lies?

Here is the link ware you quote a major news outlet- http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...im-world-reveals-money-cant-buy-you-love.html

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Ok. So now you go back to Gaddifi ordering rape. That will be decided when he is caught. It does not change the fact that rape is going on and being perpetrated by both side most likely. That is how war is fought in many countries. It also does not change the fact that you and PF say the media lies, yet you always quote them to back up your statements. What would a fella call that I wonder ? Now run along with your buddy and go hate on some Jews on Storm front or the daily Paul.

What Media Outlet have have i quoted as saying the Europeans/Americans are lying about Gaddafi ordering "Viagra-Fueled Rapes?" I'll wait for your response on that one. Also,as far as hating Jews goes,you haven't proved your assertion that i hate Jews. I'll wait for your response on that one too. Thanks.

because you and PF are buds. And as to the media thing, You quote them all over the boards . If they lie why would you quote them as you do here ?

Your Money: U.S. Foreign Aid to Arab,Muslim World Reveals Money Can't Buy You Love...
Interesting article showing how most Arab Muslim Nations receiving U.S. Foreign Aid,consistently Vote against American Interests in the UN...

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So if you agree, they are telling the truth, If it is counter to what you believe in, they are corrupt. That's almost hypocrisy isn't it ?. I never said you quoted any news outlet in this thread, on this topic, but you do every ware else. Why spread lies?

Here is the link ware you quote a major news outlet- http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...im-world-reveals-money-cant-buy-you-love.html

Well that's pretty convoluted thinking,but ok. If that's what you want to go with then go for it. And the Media is not necessarily lying anyway. The Governments are lying and they're just regurgitating the Government Talking-Points. But you still haven't shown where i quoted any Media Outlet claiming the Europeans/Americans are lying about Gaddafi ordering "Viagra-Fueled Rapes." The MSM has completely towed the line on those ridiculous accusations. I'm saying they're lying because they are lying. It never happened. Also,you still haven't proven your assertion that i hate Jews. I'll await your proof. Thanks.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

What Media Outlet have have i quoted as saying the Europeans/Americans are lying about Gaddafi ordering "Viagra-Fueled Rapes?" I'll wait for your response on that one. Also,as far as hating Jews goes,you haven't proved your assertion that i hate Jews. I'll wait for your response on that one too. Thanks.

because you and PF are buds. And as to the media thing, You quote them all over the boards . If they lie why would you quote them as you do here ?

Your Money: U.S. Foreign Aid to Arab,Muslim World Reveals Money Can't Buy You Love...
Interesting article showing how most Arab Muslim Nations receiving U.S. Foreign Aid,consistently Vote against American Interests in the UN...

It's All Your Money: Foreign Aid to Muslim/Arab nations - FoxNews.com
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So if you agree, they are telling the truth, If it is counter to what you believe in, they are corrupt. That's almost hypocrisy isn't it ?. I never said you quoted any news outlet in this thread, on this topic, but you do every ware else. Why spread lies?

Here is the link ware you quote a major news outlet- http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...im-world-reveals-money-cant-buy-you-love.html

Well that's pretty convoluted thinking,but ok. If that's what you want to go with then go for it. And the Media is not necessarily lying anyway. The Governments are lying and they're just regurgitating the Government Talking-Points. But you still haven't shown where i quoted any Media Outlet claiming the Europeans/Americans are lying about Gaddafi ordering "Viagra-Fueled Rapes." The MSM has completely towed the line on those ridiculous accusations. I'm saying they're lying because they are lying. It never happened. Also,you still haven't proven your assertion that i hate Jews. I'll await your proof. Thanks.

Now you are changing your story. On the subject of rape, an allegation you dont support, they are known lairs, yet on any subject you do support, they are to be trusted or at the very least worthy of quotation ? That's cowardly . And I never said you did quoted them in this instance.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

because you and PF are buds. And as to the media thing, You quote them all over the boards . If they lie why would you quote them as you do here ?

Your Money: U.S. Foreign Aid to Arab,Muslim World Reveals Money Can't Buy You Love...
Interesting article showing how most Arab Muslim Nations receiving U.S. Foreign Aid,consistently Vote against American Interests in the UN...

It's All Your Money: Foreign Aid to Muslim/Arab nations - FoxNews.com
Reply With Quote

So if you agree, they are telling the truth, If it is counter to what you believe in, they are corrupt. That's almost hypocrisy isn't it ?. I never said you quoted any news outlet in this thread, on this topic, but you do every ware else. Why spread lies?

Here is the link ware you quote a major news outlet- http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...im-world-reveals-money-cant-buy-you-love.html

Well that's pretty convoluted thinking,but ok. If that's what you want to go with then go for it. And the Media is not necessarily lying anyway. The Governments are lying and they're just regurgitating the Government Talking-Points. But you still haven't shown where i quoted any Media Outlet claiming the Europeans/Americans are lying about Gaddafi ordering "Viagra-Fueled Rapes." The MSM has completely towed the line on those ridiculous accusations. I'm saying they're lying because they are lying. It never happened. Also,you still haven't proven your assertion that i hate Jews. I'll await your proof. Thanks.

Now you are changing your story. On the subject of rape, an allegation you dont support, they are known lairs, yet on any subject you do support, they are to be trusted or at the very least worthy of quotation ? That's cowardly . And I never said you did quoted them in this instance.

Well that's why they're called 'opinions' i guess.' That's what Message Boards are all about no? However,claiming someone hates Jews with absolutely no proof is just fucking stupid. And that's not opinion. That's just fact. So i'll wait a little longer for your proof on that.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Well that's pretty convoluted thinking,but ok. If that's what you want to go with then go for it. And the Media is not necessarily lying anyway. The Governments are lying and they're just regurgitating the Government Talking-Points. But you still haven't shown where i quoted any Media Outlet claiming the Europeans/Americans are lying about Gaddafi ordering "Viagra-Fueled Rapes." The MSM has completely towed the line on those ridiculous accusations. I'm saying they're lying because they are lying. It never happened. Also,you still haven't proven your assertion that i hate Jews. I'll await your proof. Thanks.

Now you are changing your story. On the subject of rape, an allegation you dont support, they are known lairs, yet on any subject you do support, they are to be trusted or at the very least worthy of quotation ? That's cowardly . And I never said you did quoted them in this instance.

Well that's why they're called 'opinions' i guess.' That's what Message Boards are all about no? However,claiming someone hates Jews with absolutely no proof is just fucking stupid. And that's not opinion. That's just fact. So i'll wait a little longer for your proof on that.

Folks are judged by the company they keep. I was taught that as a wee child. So sure, the Jew hater thing (in your case) may have been uncalled for. Consider that statement a public apology, but only the Jew hater comment. I stand by the rest.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Now you are changing your story. On the subject of rape, an allegation you dont support, they are known lairs, yet on any subject you do support, they are to be trusted or at the very least worthy of quotation ? That's cowardly . And I never said you did quoted them in this instance.

Well that's why they're called 'opinions' i guess.' That's what Message Boards are all about no? However,claiming someone hates Jews with absolutely no proof is just fucking stupid. And that's not opinion. That's just fact. So i'll wait a little longer for your proof on that.

Folks are judged by the company they keep. I was taught that as a wee child. So sure, the Jew hater thing (in your case) may have been uncalled for. Consider that statement a public apology, but only the Jew hater comment. I stand by the rest.

Cool,i'll take what i can get. Kudos to you. Opposing this stupid Libya War doesn't mean one hates Jews.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Well that's why they're called 'opinions' i guess.' That's what Message Boards are all about no? However,claiming someone hates Jews with absolutely no proof is just fucking stupid. And that's not opinion. That's just fact. So i'll wait a little longer for your proof on that.

Folks are judged by the company they keep. I was taught that as a wee child. So sure, the Jew hater thing (in your case) may have been uncalled for. Consider that statement a public apology, but only the Jew hater comment. I stand by the rest.

Cool,i'll take what i can get. Kudos to you. Opposing this stupid Libya War doesn't mean one hates Jews.

No it does not, and it was all wrong to start with. NATO's intervention opened the door for all this to happen.

 

[Kuros]

Brutally slaughtering Gaddafi's Son and Grandchildren was an awful crime against humanity. There should be prosecutions.

No. The removal of a dictator is not a crime against humanity. Go ahead: look for it in the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

Article 7 - Crimes against humanity1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

(a) Murder;
(b) Extermination;
(c) Enslavement;
(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
(e) Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;
(f) Torture;
(g) Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;
(h) Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;
(i) Enforced disappearance of persons;
(j) The crime of apartheid;
(k) Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.
2. For the purpose of paragraph 1:

(a) "Attack directed against any civilian population" means a course of conduct involving the multiple commission of acts referred to in paragraph 1 against any civilian population, pursuant to or in furtherance of a State or organizational policy to commit such attack;
(b) "Extermination" includes the intentional infliction of conditions of life, inter alia the deprivation of access to food and medicine, calculated to bring about the destruction of part of a population;
(c) "Enslavement" means the exercise of any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership over a person and includes the exercise of such power in the course of trafficking in persons, in particular women and children;
(d) "Deportation or forcible transfer of population" means forced displacement of the persons concerned by expulsion or other coercive acts from the area in which they are lawfully present, without grounds permitted under international law;
(e) "Torture" means the intentional infliction of severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, upon a person in the custody or under the control of the accused; except that torture shall not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to, lawful sanctions;
(f) "Forced pregnancy" means the unlawful confinement of a woman forcibly made pregnant, with the intent of affecting the ethnic composition of any population or carrying out other grave violations of international law. This definition shall not in any way be interpreted as affecting national laws relating to pregnancy;
(g) "Persecution" means the intentional and severe deprivation of fundamental rights contrary to international law by reason of the identity of the group or collectivity;
(h) "The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;
(i) "Enforced disappearance of persons" means the arrest, detention or abduction of persons by, or with the authorization, support or acquiescence of, a State or a political organization, followed by a refusal to acknowledge that deprivation of freedom or to give information on the fate or whereabouts of those persons, with the intention of removing them from the protection of the law for a prolonged period of time.
3. For the purpose of this Statute, it is understood that the term "gender" refers to the two sexes, male and female, within the context of society. The term "gender" does not indicate any meaning different from the above.

Good luck showing that NATO is engaged in "an attack directed against any civilian population." If you want an example of that, look no further than Qaddaffi's assaults on Misrata and Benghazi.

 

[waltky]

Hague Court Issues War Crimes Warrant for Qaddafi...

Charges of War Crimes Brought Against Qaddafi
June 27, 2011 — The International Criminal Court in The Hague issued arrest warrants on Monday for Libya’s leader, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, one of his sons and his intelligence chief, accusing them of crimes against humanity during the first two weeks of the uprising in Libya that led to a NATO bombing campaign.

In addition to Colonel Qaddafi, warrants were issued for Seif al-Islam Qaddafi and the chief of military intelligence, Abdullah Senussi, the Libyan leader’s brother-in-law. Reading out the decision, the presiding judge, Sanji Monogeng of Botswana, said there were “reasonable grounds” to believe that the three were criminally responsible for the murder and persecution of hundreds of civilians during peaceful protests in February. The decision by a three-judge panel said it was impossible to know the number of people killed or imprisoned because the crimes were covered up. The order, another step in the isolation of the Qaddafi regime, raised the questions of how — and whether — the court could gain custody of the men since it has no police powers.

Colonel Qaddafi’s government, which is not among the 115 countries that recognize the court, denounced the ruling. Libya’s justice minister, Mohammed al-Qamoodi, was quoted as saying the court “is a tool of the Western world to prosecute leaders in the Third World.” One possible solution, lawyers said, would be for Libyan rebels to capture the men and send them to The Hague. But even as rebel fighters have loosened Colonel Qaddafi’s grip on the mountain towns southwest of Tripoli in recent weeks, they have been unable to reach the heavily defended capital. On Monday, rebels based in the mountains pushed north and east to the town of Bir al Ghanam, roughly 100 miles from Tripoli, in heavy fighting with Qaddafi forces.

Failing a rebel capture of Colonel Qaddafi, NATO, now past the 100th day of its air campaign against his forces, could expand its mandate to include the arrest of the three Libyans. But any overt or covert operations to track down the suspects would require that NATO leaders revise their policy of limiting alliance actions to aerial attacks. Prosecutors in The Hague hope that the United Nations Security Council, which has requested the investigation of possible crimes in Libya, will find ways to encourage the arrest of the suspects and allow the court to go beyond statements and orders that may not be enforced.

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[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Vfg73QJTA]Eyewitness - NATO used Al-CIA-da to destroy Gadhafi/Libya ? TPH 07.24.2013 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMRgn4-wG1c]U.S. Invasion of Libya: Media Lies Warning from Joyce Riley of The Power Hour - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What is the allegation --- that you are trying to promote?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What is the allegation --- that you are trying to promote?

Most Respectfully,
R

Libya was not a humanitarian mission. It was a case of armed robbery.