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Thousands of Women Killed for Family "Honor"There is nothing in the Koran, the book of basic Islamic teachings, that permits or sanctions honor killings. However, the view of women as property with no rights of their own is deeply rooted in Islamic culture, Tahira Shahid Khan, a professor specializing in women's issues at the Aga Khan University in Pakistan, wrote in Chained to Custom, a review of honor killings published in 1999.
This is a sad article and also a sad reminder of ignorance on this board.
This is not the work of the ISLAM religion. (Hate it when ignorant people call it the muslim religion).
This is the work of a terrorist organization not Islam.
Yet people like AllieBaba think otherwise. Just because some people in the religion follow these methods doesn't mean they all do.
This is like saying Christians are a bunch of savages for bombing abortion clinics.
The only conclusion that I can draw from this fatuous crap that you posted is that it represents a cry for attention from a beardless youth. Unfortunately, I'm going to respond rather than put you in the corner and water you twice, as you deserve.
All the even-handed "libs" like nothing better than seeing equivalence between events that took place a thousand years ago, such as the Crusades, and the myriad of horrors perpetrated by the Koranic radicals of the current era.
Give me your list of abortion clinic bombings starting with the most recent. Now, how about listing the bombings, the beheadings, acid in the face of young girls, hostage taking, raping, etc. EQUIVALENT?
BTW, check out some of the numbers in these articles, then apologize for insulting any board members. Here is the Award for Unintentional Humor: you using the word ignorance.
A third of Muslim students back killings - Times Online
Jihad Watch: Tiny minority of extremists update: Indonesia Survey shows wide support for radical Islam
CNSNews.com - UK Poll Shows Extremism Among Muslim Students
Here is the Muslim attitude survey story. The full survey with the questions can be downloaded here. To no surprise, the liberal media goes to great lengths to paint a rosy picture of a dim finding. There are 2.35 million Muslims living in the United States, so let’s show the real math with the percentages:
Muslim American Support for Terrorism (Public Opinion Poll) » Right Pundits
Now I have to go and slap my own wrist for actually responding to what is clearly public school dogma.
This is a sad article and also a sad reminder of ignorance on this board.
This is not the work of the ISLAM religion. (Hate it when ignorant people call it the muslim religion).
This is the work of a terrorist organization not Islam.
Yet people like AllieBaba think otherwise. Just because some people in the religion follow these methods doesn't mean they all do.
This is like saying Christians are a bunch of savages for bombing abortion clinics.
Good effort, Robert. But methinks this thread is just being perceived as a place for doing their daily Muslim bashing by the resident Muslim haters. They are very vocal yet minor segment of the population who just has to have a target for the hate and spite that wells up inside themselves everyday. It probably stems from some sort of diverted self hatred. People like this will always exist and are pretty much hopelessly forever trapped in their state of impotent rage and anxiety. These Muslim bashers are no different from other hate mongers, it's just that in their case their target is one of today's most vulnerable religious groups, considering current world events and geography and Bush's holy war on terror. In the past these posters would have singled out Jews, Catholics, blacks, gays, women, Communists, Southerners, Northerners, you name it, any current and popular scapegoat for their targets.
Common sense and rational debate has little effect on these posters. However, it's worth it to point out their bogus talking points now and then. Because innocent and confused readers can sometimes get sucked into their games. And then other innocent people could end up getting harmed.
So I thank you for your post.
This is a sad article and also a sad reminder of ignorance on this board.
This is not the work of the ISLAM religion. (Hate it when ignorant people call it the muslim religion).
This is the work of a terrorist organization not Islam.
Yet people like AllieBaba think otherwise. Just because some people in the religion follow these methods doesn't mean they all do.
This is like saying Christians are a bunch of savages for bombing abortion clinics.
Good effort, Robert. But methinks this thread is just being perceived as a place for doing their daily Muslim bashing by the resident Muslim haters. They are very vocal yet minor segment of the population who just has to have a target for the hate and spite that wells up inside themselves everyday. It probably stems from some sort of diverted self hatred. People like this will always exist and are pretty much hopelessly forever trapped in their state of impotent rage and anxiety. These Muslim bashers are no different from other hate mongers, it's just that in their case their target is one of today's most vulnerable religious groups, considering current world events and geography and Bush's holy war on terror. In the past these posters would have singled out Jews, Catholics, blacks, gays, women, Communists, Southerners, Northerners, you name it, any current and popular scapegoat for their targets.
Common sense and rational debate has little effect on these posters. However, it's worth it to point out their bogus talking points now and then. Because innocent and confused readers can sometimes get sucked into their games. And then other innocent people could end up getting harmed.
So I thank you for your post.
That's a lot of fantastical projection going on right there, Anguille. And what a surprise you think you're so much more enlightened than everyone else on yet another subject.
BTW - Other than Allie's sarcastic joke, can you point to exactly where all the supposed "Muslim bashing" was going on before Robert made his post?
I call her statement a sarcastic joke because unlike you, I have faith in her being the caring person she presents herself to be. What kind of person is so desperate to feel superior that they have to project such utter bullshit on another?
I mean, really, it's not like Allie raped anyone and strapped a bomb to them to save their honor or anything. I suggest you quit pretending you know what's in other people's hearts.
This is a sad article and also a sad reminder of ignorance on this board.
This is not the work of the ISLAM religion. (Hate it when ignorant people call it the muslim religion).
This is the work of a terrorist organization not Islam.
Yet people like AllieBaba think otherwise. Just because some people in the religion follow these methods doesn't mean they all do.
This is like saying Christians are a bunch of savages for bombing abortion clinics.
Good effort, Robert. But methinks this thread is just being perceived as a place for doing their daily Muslim bashing by the resident Muslim haters. They are very vocal yet minor segment of the population who just has to have a target for the hate and spite that wells up inside themselves everyday. It probably stems from some sort of diverted self hatred. People like this will always exist and are pretty much hopelessly forever trapped in their state of impotent rage and anxiety. These Muslim bashers are no different from other hate mongers, it's just that in their case their target is one of today's most vulnerable religious groups, considering current world events and geography and Bush's holy war on terror. In the past these posters would have singled out Jews, Catholics, blacks, gays, women, Communists, Southerners, Northerners, you name it, any current and popular scapegoat for their targets.
Common sense and rational debate has little effect on these posters. However, it's worth it to point out their bogus talking points now and then. Because innocent and confused readers can sometimes get sucked into their games. And then other innocent people could end up getting harmed.
So I thank you for your post.
That's a lot of fantastical projection going on right there, Anguille. And what a surprise you think you're so much more enlightened than everyone else on yet another subject.
BTW - Other than Allie's sarcastic joke, can you point to exactly where all the supposed "Muslim bashing" was going on before Robert made his post?
I call her statement a sarcastic joke because unlike you, I have faith in her being the caring person she presents herself to be. What kind of person is so desperate to feel superior that they have to project such utter bullshit on another?
I mean, really, it's not like Allie raped anyone and strapped a bomb to them to save their honor or anything. I suggest you quit pretending you know what's in other people's hearts.
That's a lot of fantastical projection going on right there, Anguille. And what a surprise you think you're so much more enlightened than everyone else on yet another subject.
BTW - Other than Allie's sarcastic joke, can you point to exactly where all the supposed "Muslim bashing" was going on before Robert made his post?
I call her statement a sarcastic joke because unlike you, I have faith in her being the caring person she presents herself to be. What kind of person is so desperate to feel superior that they have to project such utter bullshit on another?
I mean, really, it's not like Allie raped anyone and strapped a bomb to them to save their honor or anything. I suggest you quit pretending you know what's in other people's hearts.
I wonder why whenever a crime is committed, the religion of the accused is only mentioned if he/she is Muslim or Mormon?
Good effort, Robert. But methinks this thread is just being perceived as a place for doing their daily Muslim bashing by the resident Muslim haters. They are very vocal yet minor segment of the population who just has to have a target for the hate and spite that wells up inside themselves everyday. It probably stems from some sort of diverted self hatred. People like this will always exist and are pretty much hopelessly forever trapped in their state of impotent rage and anxiety. These Muslim bashers are no different from other hate mongers, it's just that in their case their target is one of today's most vulnerable religious groups, considering current world events and geography and Bush's holy war on terror. In the past these posters would have singled out Jews, Catholics, blacks, gays, women, Communists, Southerners, Northerners, you name it, any current and popular scapegoat for their targets.
Common sense and rational debate has little effect on these posters. However, it's worth it to point out their bogus talking points now and then. Because innocent and confused readers can sometimes get sucked into their games. And then other innocent people could end up getting harmed.
So I thank you for your post.
That's a lot of fantastical projection going on right there, Anguille. And what a surprise you think you're so much more enlightened than everyone else on yet another subject.
BTW - Other than Allie's sarcastic joke, can you point to exactly where all the supposed "Muslim bashing" was going on before Robert made his post?
I call her statement a sarcastic joke because unlike you, I have faith in her being the caring person she presents herself to be. What kind of person is so desperate to feel superior that they have to project such utter bullshit on another?
I mean, really, it's not like Allie raped anyone and strapped a bomb to them to save their honor or anything. I suggest you quit pretending you know what's in other people's hearts.
I suggest you take your own advice.
Not sure what that has to do with this topic. I have a feeling that if Christians or Mormons used honor killing targets as suicide bombers we'd hear about it.I wonder why whenever a crime is committed, the religion of the accused is only mentioned if he/she is Muslim or Mormon?
That's my point. You don't see "Christian kills man" or "Jew kills family" in the news.
Nope nope nope, only if it's a Muslim/member of Islam and rarely so often; Mormons. (Though Mormons are usually mentioned only if it's polygamy).
That's a lot of fantastical projection going on right there, Anguille. And what a surprise you think you're so much more enlightened than everyone else on yet another subject.
BTW - Other than Allie's sarcastic joke, can you point to exactly where all the supposed "Muslim bashing" was going on before Robert made his post?
I call her statement a sarcastic joke because unlike you, I have faith in her being the caring person she presents herself to be. What kind of person is so desperate to feel superior that they have to project such utter bullshit on another?
I mean, really, it's not like Allie raped anyone and strapped a bomb to them to save their honor or anything. I suggest you quit pretending you know what's in other people's hearts.
I suggest you take your own advice.
Yeah, I'm predisposed to giving her the benefit of the doubt.
You assume she hates all Muslims JUST because they're Muslims. You assume YOU are such a better person than she is. You obviously NEED to believe that.
So who's the one really doing the hating here, genius?
I suggest you take your own advice.
Yeah, I'm predisposed to giving her the benefit of the doubt.
You assume she hates all Muslims JUST because they're Muslims. You assume YOU are such a better person than she is. You obviously NEED to believe that.
So who's the one really doing the hating here, genius?
You? Sorry, Val, I'm just not that into you.
Murder in the Family: Honor Killings in America
Saturday, July 26, 2008
When she was just 19, Sandeela Kanwal traveled from America to Pakistan for an arranged marriage to a cousin twice her age.
Less than six years later, she was dead strangled and her father, Chaudhry Rashid, was arrested by police as the suspect for what some have called an "honor killing."
After their marriage, Kanwal had lived in the United States apart from her husband, who remained in Pakistan. She was reunited with him in April at her family home in Atlanta, but he moved to Chicago days later, leaving her alone once again.
On July 1, Kanwal filed for divorce, a prospect her father, a 52-year-old immigrant from Pakistan, would not entertain. Investigators say that after an argument on the night of July 5, he strangled Kanwal with a bungee cord. He could not accept the "disgrace" a divorce or affair would bring on his family, according to police.
The United Nations estimates that as many as 5,000 women are murdered in such honor killings each year for offenses like immodesty or refusing an arranged marriage. They may be on the rise in the U.S., as seen anecdotally in Kanwal's death and a handful of other prominent attacks:
Fifty-year-old Yaser Abdel Said became the focus of a massive manhunt after he allegedly killed his teenage daughters Sarah and Amina for dating boys against his will. Relatives say he tried to marry off Amina in his native Egypt when she was 16, and he hasn't been seen since the girls were shot to death on New Year's Day.
Zein Isa, a Palestinian terrorist who lived in St. Louis, was convicted of killing his daughter Palestina in 1989. Investigators say he was furious she had a black boyfriend, went to a school dance and got a job at Wendy's. Palestina's mother held her down as Isa plunged a 9-inch knife into his daughter's chest, actions the FBI picked up on a microphone as they investigated Isa for his terrorist ties.
Waheed Mohammad, a 22-year-old immigrant from Afghanistan, was shamed by his sister, who he thought was a "bad Muslim girl." At his mother's behest, investigators say, he tried to "stop" his sister, stabbing her multiple times, though she survived and spoke to FOX News.
I wonder why whenever a crime is committed, the religion of the accused is only mentioned if he/she is Muslim or Mormon?
That's my point. You don't see "Christian kills man" or "Jew kills family" in the news.
Nope nope nope, only if it's a Muslim/member of Islam and rarely so often; Mormons. (Though Mormons are usually mentioned only if it's polygamy).
Besides, their fucked up religion is so mixed up that NOBODY can put any order to it.
By the way......remember at the beginning of Genesis, when it talked about all being chaos, and then God put order to it?
If Islam was a true religion, then why is it so chaotic? God likes order, not chaos.
Good effort, Robert. But methinks this thread is just being perceived as a place for doing their daily Muslim bashing by the resident Muslim haters. They are very vocal yet minor segment of the population who just has to have a target for the hate and spite that wells up inside themselves everyday. It probably stems from some sort of diverted self hatred. People like this will always exist and are pretty much hopelessly forever trapped in their state of impotent rage and anxiety. These Muslim bashers are no different from other hate mongers, it's just that in their case their target is one of today's most vulnerable religious groups, considering current world events and geography and Bush's holy war on terror. In the past these posters would have singled out Jews, Catholics, blacks, gays, women, Communists, Southerners, Northerners, you name it, any current and popular scapegoat for their targets.
Common sense and rational debate has little effect on these posters. However, it's worth it to point out their bogus talking points now and then. Because innocent and confused readers can sometimes get sucked into their games. And then other innocent people could end up getting harmed.
So I thank you for your post.
That's a lot of fantastical projection going on right there, Anguille. And what a surprise you think you're so much more enlightened than everyone else on yet another subject.
BTW - Other than Allie's sarcastic joke, can you point to exactly where all the supposed "Muslim bashing" was going on before Robert made his post?
I call her statement a sarcastic joke because unlike you, I have faith in her being the caring person she presents herself to be. What kind of person is so desperate to feel superior that they have to project such utter bullshit on another?
I mean, really, it's not like Allie raped anyone and strapped a bomb to them to save their honor or anything. I suggest you quit pretending you know what's in other people's hearts.
You DO REALIZE that I was talking about Allie when I made those comments right?
And Allie is a religious wingnut who has showed it time and time again on this board.
Like I said dipstick......read Genesis, and see where God put order to the Universe.
It's in the first couple of chapters.
Like I said dipstick......read Genesis, and see where God put order to the Universe.
It's in the first couple of chapters.
Jesus looked at them intently and said, "For humans this is impossible, but for God all things are possible."
Now the LORD was with Judah, and they took possession of the hill country; but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had iron chariots.
The LORD is a warrior; The LORD is His name.
