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[Avatar4321]

I was thinking about the other thread a bit. And taking a job is good and all, but if we want to create more jobs, if we want the economy to grow, we just cant be content to take a job if it's offered. We have to go out there and create them. We need people who arent content to sit around all day starting their own businesses and creating a need to hire other people.

Our economy will not recover while people are acting like they are entitled to have someone else give them something. You have to go out and create opportunities.

 

[FireGod]

OK I will bite, tell me how to do it then.

 

[Vel]

I was thinking about the other thread a bit. And taking a job is good and all, but if we want to create more jobs, if we want the economy to grow, we just cant be content to take a job if it's offered. We have to go out there and create them. We need people who arent content to sit around all day starting their own businesses and creating a need to hire other people.
Our economy will not recover while people are acting like they are entitled to have someone else give them something. You have to go out and create opportunities.

That's a great idea, but one of the problems I see right now is that providing someone a job during Obama's term isn't taken as just offering someone an opportunity to work. It has become tantamount to taking someone to raise.

 

[DiamondDave]

OK I will bite, tell me how to do it then.

Hire me as a consultant..

See... you had 'demand'... I can provide a service to meet that demand.. you can compensate with monies to pay for the labor of me fulfilling that demand

here endeth the lesson

 

[SFC Ollie]

The Mrs and I have everything needed to run a small home ceramic business. She is a certified Ceramics instructor and one hell of an artist. We used to make our pices and sell them at places like Christmas bazaars and summer flea markets. One of our specialties is ceramic skulls which I developed a technique for that makes them look most real. It costs us about $7 to produce one and at least an hours time each. We used to sell them for $12.

Any more all we get is "will you take $5 for that?" Needless to say we have almost stopped making things except as gifts for family and friends.

 

[rightwinger]

Damn!

Why didn't I think of that?

Its so easy!

 

[rightwinger]

I've got an idea

I could charge you all to read my posts!

 

[DiamondDave]

I've got an idea

I could charge you all to read my posts!

You can try... but don't try and claim welfare if no income trickles in

 

[SFC Ollie]

I've got an idea

I could charge you all to read my posts!

You're going to be very hungry.

 

[rightwinger]

I've got an idea

I could charge you all to read my posts!

You're going to be very hungry.

You owe me $1.49

 

[DiamondDave]

I've got an idea

I could charge you all to read my posts!

You're going to be very hungry.

You owe me $1.49

Nah... it was his personal need to do it.... so since we have the precedent that you support the fed providing your personal need thru the taxation of others, you can wait until they receive taxes... go red tape and bureaucratic review... have enormous overhead as multiple committees and branches must regulate both your post and his attempt to read it.. .and get back to you on compensation.. oh, and that governmental effort costs a lot for that overhead... and of course you are taxed on what you get.. plus for your internet and electricity use, and so many other things... so you actually owe the government an additional $1.53... so you can see first hand that governmental control helps nobody

 

[FireGod]

OK I will bite, tell me how to do it then.

Hire me as a consultant..

See... you had 'demand'... I can provide a service to meet that demand.. you can compensate with monies to pay for the labor of me fulfilling that demand

here endeth the lesson

Willing to work for free as I have 0 assets?

 

[DiamondDave]

OK I will bite, tell me how to do it then.

Hire me as a consultant..

See... you had 'demand'... I can provide a service to meet that demand.. you can compensate with monies to pay for the labor of me fulfilling that demand

here endeth the lesson

Willing to work for free as I have 0 assets?

Nope... nor do I think you are owed my services at the expense of someone else, merely because you want them or consider them needed for your personal well being

 

[FireGod]

Hire me as a consultant..

See... you had 'demand'... I can provide a service to meet that demand.. you can compensate with monies to pay for the labor of me fulfilling that demand

here endeth the lesson

Willing to work for free as I have 0 assets?

Nope... nor do I think you are owed my services at the expense of someone else, merely because you want them or consider them needed for your personal well being

Too true, pro bono work I can help you advertise
A little barter never hurt anyone.

 

[rdean]

I was thinking about the other thread a bit. And taking a job is good and all, but if we want to create more jobs, if we want the economy to grow, we just cant be content to take a job if it's offered. We have to go out there and create them. We need people who arent content to sit around all day starting their own businesses and creating a need to hire other people.

Our economy will not recover while people are acting like they are entitled to have someone else give them something. You have to go out and create opportunities.

Sure,
You want to clean my house?

You could make cookies out of your kitchen.

 

[Cuyo]

I was thinking about the other thread a bit. And taking a job is good and all, but if we want to create more jobs, if we want the economy to grow, we just cant be content to take a job if it's offered. We have to go out there and create them. We need people who arent content to sit around all day starting their own businesses and creating a need to hire other people.

Our economy will not recover while people are acting like they are entitled to have someone else give them something. You have to go out and create opportunities.

*Sigh* Avatar, just what the hell are you talking about?

First of all, starting a business takes capital. People who are out of work don't have capital. They have DEBT. While it is possible to start a business while in debt, they almost always fail. You are providing a good or service, and unless it's a brand spankin new technology that nobody's ever heard of, there's already somebody else doing it. Since you have debt, and the other stronger firms have capital, you are priced out of the market.

This is doubly true in a down economy. The demand is not there, so established firms are twice as willing to operate at tiny margins just to stay in business. Someone starting with nothing does not have that luxury.

As I've discussed in other threads, the problem is that the opportunities are gone. *Poof* is that clear? We don't make anything here anymore. It's not the stupid libbies pushing the "recession" button just to piss you off. The system threw the middle class overboard 30 years ago. There are solutions, real, solvent, coherent solutions that will bring jobs back to this country, but they dare not be mentioned in the lawmaking process, lest we be accused of being communists, socialists, haters of freedom, or whatever buzzword you guys are using this week.

You're assertion that people are "Acting like they are entitled to have someone else give them something" because they can't find work is obnoxious. I don't know what the source of your income is, but I hope for your sake it remains solvent and doesn't get outsourced, lest you will have to appeal to the very lawmakers for help that you now crucify due to your lack of understanding.

 

[B L Zeebub]

The Mrs and I have everything needed to run a small home ceramic business. She is a certified Ceramics instructor and one hell of an artist. We used to make our pices and sell them at places like Christmas bazaars and summer flea markets. One of our specialties is ceramic skulls which I developed a technique for that makes them look most real. It costs us about $7 to produce one and at least an hours time each. We used to sell them for $12.

Any more all we get is "will you take $5 for that?" Needless to say we have almost stopped making things except as gifts for family and friends.

Would you please post a picture of the skull, it interests me.

 

[Avatar4321]

I've got an idea

I could charge you all to read my posts!

You're assuming we are actually reading them now.

 

[Avatar4321]

I was thinking about the other thread a bit. And taking a job is good and all, but if we want to create more jobs, if we want the economy to grow, we just cant be content to take a job if it's offered. We have to go out there and create them. We need people who arent content to sit around all day starting their own businesses and creating a need to hire other people.

Our economy will not recover while people are acting like they are entitled to have someone else give them something. You have to go out and create opportunities.

Sure,
You want to clean my house?

You could make cookies out of your kitchen.

Not if you want to survive long. I make horrible cookies.

However, there is absolutely nothing wrong with starting businesses like those if that is what you are good at doing. If you enjoy cleaning, why not start a cleaning business? If you enjoy baking, why not bake cookies?

You seem to imply that these are degrading jobs. But they aren't. Korean immigrants, for example, made lots of money by starting businesses to clean clothes. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, im willing to bet they've done more with their lives than most people have.

The key to creating your own job is finding a market for something you enjoy doing. Then it won't always feel like work.

 

[Avatar4321]

I was thinking about the other thread a bit. And taking a job is good and all, but if we want to create more jobs, if we want the economy to grow, we just cant be content to take a job if it's offered. We have to go out there and create them. We need people who arent content to sit around all day starting their own businesses and creating a need to hire other people.

Our economy will not recover while people are acting like they are entitled to have someone else give them something. You have to go out and create opportunities.

*Sigh* Avatar, just what the hell are you talking about?

First of all, starting a business takes capital. People who are out of work don't have capital. They have DEBT. While it is possible to start a business while in debt, they almost always fail. You are providing a good or service, and unless it's a brand spankin new technology that nobody's ever heard of, there's already somebody else doing it. Since you have debt, and the other stronger firms have capital, you are priced out of the market.

This is doubly true in a down economy. The demand is not there, so established firms are twice as willing to operate at tiny margins just to stay in business. Someone starting with nothing does not have that luxury.

As I've discussed in other threads, the problem is that the opportunities are gone. *Poof* is that clear? We don't make anything here anymore. It's not the stupid libbies pushing the "recession" button just to piss you off. The system threw the middle class overboard 30 years ago. There are solutions, real, solvent, coherent solutions that will bring jobs back to this country, but they dare not be mentioned in the lawmaking process, lest we be accused of being communists, socialists, haters of freedom, or whatever buzzword you guys are using this week.

You're assertion that people are "Acting like they are entitled to have someone else give them something" because they can't find work is obnoxious. I don't know what the source of your income is, but I hope for your sake it remains solvent and doesn't get outsourced, lest you will have to appeal to the very lawmakers for help that you now crucify due to your lack of understanding.

Opportunities are only gone because people arent looking for them. They expect them to just be there instead of working for them.

I will never be appealing to lawmakers for a job. It's not their responsibility to provide for me or my family. It's mine.

Until you learn this, you will always be enslaved.