Want to Keep Pot Illegal? Time to Justify...

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    Let's be honest here. Most of the right-wing objection to the smoking of marijuana doesn't stem from the threat of psychosis after prolongued use or the threat of tax-free pot (which is ridiculous, as the majority of dope smokers will plump for convenience over cost). It threatens their traditional values/world view, and is the kind of thing they imagine black people do.

    I'm a hard-right Conservative, but even I agree that the current marijuana laws in the West are ludicrous and are only in place to serve the interests of the alcohol and pharmaceutical industries.
     
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    Of course you're right about a percentage of more conservative Americans harboring what is colloquially referred to as the Reefer Madness mindset. But fortunately that mentality has substantially diminished and presently represents the lesser anti-marijuana disposition. In fact current polls reveal a 52 percent majority of Americans favor legalization. Survey: 52 percent of Americans in favor of legalizing marijuana - U.S. News

    That level of public approval leaves one to conclude another factor is responsible for government's resistance to legalization. And if that factor isn't money, what else can it be?
     
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    There really is a black market in cigarettes. But there is a black market in almost everything. The difference with pot is the drug dealers are established. It will be nothing for a pothead to go back to the old reliable dealer when taxes get too high. Users think of dealers as friends as it is.
     
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    It isn't at all surprising that a substantial part of the public are dysfunctional drug addicts. That's how obama got reelected. It will last until non users get tired of putting up with addicts. The same way they got tired of putting up with drunks.
     
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    There will be no dealers to go back to, as the cartel's revenue streams will be destroyed and the entire system - the infrastructure - will be disbanded.

    Again, this will be just like when prohibition of Alcohol was repealed.

    QUESTION: How many people do you know buy alcohol from a black market dealer, illegally? Taxes are sky high here in the city for beer and wine, yet I know not a SINGLE person who gets their alcohol from an illegal source.

    Why is that?


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    Food for thought Katz...

    "True legalization ought to drive the price way down by bringing modern cultivation and production methods to bear. In Canada, industrial hemp is grown for about $500 per acre. But that’s done on large farms, not small grow houses. With the application of modern efficient agribusiness methods, marijuana prices should be more like tea prices—closer to $3 an ounce of usable product than the current $300"

    Colorado and Washington pot prices: What are the economics of partial marijuana legalization? - Slate Magazine




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    The people against pot are always the ones who've never tried it.
     
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    Oh please of course the dealers will still be in business. They'll be selling other drugs that are still illegal.

    If you honestly think that the entire infrastructure of the drug cartels will be disbanded just because pot is made legal, then why didn't the end of prohibition end the organized crime networks of that day? Not only do we still have them, but there are more of them and they are all much stronger today than they were.

    You aren't asking the right questions. There are certainly more people who drink today, there are also more methods to get that buzz. They don't need alcohol, they can take Sudafed, cough syrup. They can smoke pot. They can sniff glue, or paint thinner. Someone who wants to get drunk, rather than have a glass of wine with dinner, just finds other means. If there is a need for low cost and untaxed pot, that need will be met by the same people meeting it today.
     
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    If the example of prohibition is really followed, that closet grow you have now will be as illegal as homemade brew. The difference will be, instead of being in alternative sentencing, the offender will be in federal prison for tax evasion.

    If you get right down to it, the end of prohibition didn't work out all that well either as laws against alcohol are close to being as stringent as they were when prohibition was in effect. The examples are, alcohol after prohibition ended and cigarettes, both technically legal, but so many laws against them, they may as well be illegal.

    So, you might say that the best way to keep pot illegal is to legalize it and then start passing laws restricting its use to the point where it may as well have stayed illegal.
     
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    Why not legalize pot? America is going that way. Don’t get your panties in a wad, as they say. Actually, I see this the other way, Why re-legalize marijuana. Years ago, it was legal. It was hemp, loco weed. And it was just as acceptable to sell Thompson sub machine guns in the mail. Do we really need to rationalize the abuse of either? Guns and drugs, ya know. Why not legalize meth? Why not? Why not legalize fully automatic AK 47’s? All the rationalizations posted here, they can apply to just about anything.
     

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