Want to cut taxes??

[SuMar]

While national offense is certainly bloated beyond belief, I see a whole pile in that green part of the pie that isn't any of the feds' business to start with.

Housing? - Nope.
Health? - Nope.
Edumacation? - Nope.
Community Development? - Hardly.
Agriculture? - Nuh-uh.
Environment? - Not even.
Science and Energy? - Negative.

Like I keep saying and the chart backs up...It's not the taxes, it's the spending.

Of course you have to spend to have a need to tax, and the chart also indicates that spending on military is a number one place to cut, an area out of control, and consuming far more than any other programs for the US citizens. If you want to stop a charging bull, you don't clip his toe nails. You have to take the head and horns.

I am for cutting everything on the list, but lets take out military spending first. A complete non-necessity item. Or you might like my idea to take the ability to fund legislation away from Congress & the President, and eliminate the IRS and federal taxes all together.

Kind of funny how YOU express where to cut taxes when you don't even live in this country.

 

[rightwinger]

While national offense is certainly bloated beyond belief, I see a whole pile in that green part of the pie that isn't any of the feds' business to start with.

Housing? - Nope.
Health? - Nope.
Edumacation? - Nope.
Community Development? - Hardly.
Agriculture? - Nuh-uh.
Environment? - Not even.
Science and Energy? - Negative.

Like I keep saying and the chart backs up...It's not the taxes, it's the spending.

Always the same with Libertarians. We don't need any Government till its gone

Health Dept? Who needs the center for disease control? Hospital oversight, medical research....all a waste of tax dollars

Agriculture? Education programs, controls over land use, pesticides, productivity, reseach grants...more government waste

Environmental Protection? Yes....Libertarians yearn for the good ole days when companies burned whatever they wanted and dumped everything else in the rivers and lakes

Science and Energy? Nuclear power regulation is never needed and we know how Republicans feel about science

 

[editec]

While national offense is certainly bloated beyond belief, I see a whole pile in that green part of the pie that isn't any of the feds' business to start with.

Housing? - Nope.
Health? - Nope.
Edumacation? - Nope.
Community Development? - Hardly.
Agriculture? - Nuh-uh.
Environment? - Not even.
Science and Energy? - Negative.

Like I keep saying and the chart backs up...It's not the taxes, it's the spending.

Always the same with Libertarians. We don't need any Government till its gone

Health Dept? Who needs the center for disease control? Hospital oversight, medical research....all a waste of tax dollars

Agriculture? Education programs, controls over land use, pesticides, productivity, reseach grants...more government waste

Environmental Protection? Yes....Libertarians yearn for the good ole days when companies burned whatever they wanted and dumped everything else in the rivers and lakes

Science and Energy? Nuclear power regulation is never needed and we know how Republicans feel about science

Well...not ALL libertarians are such thoughtless morons, RW.

I've known quite a few who understood that governments need to exist, but whose objections to ours were founded more or less in reality.

In another time, most of those thinking libertarians would have been either moderate Republicans or moderate Democrats, but they see, as many of us do, that neither party really stands for anything anymore.

Lacking a party they can get behind, they declare their independence by declaring themselves libertarians.

Incidently, libertarians ALSO disagree about what steps need be taken to solve our nations problems.

There are leftist libertarians and rightest libertarians.

They seem to seek the same outcomes, but disagree about how to arrive at that conclusion.

 

[rightwinger]

While national offense is certainly bloated beyond belief, I see a whole pile in that green part of the pie that isn't any of the feds' business to start with.

Housing? - Nope.
Health? - Nope.
Edumacation? - Nope.
Community Development? - Hardly.
Agriculture? - Nuh-uh.
Environment? - Not even.
Science and Energy? - Negative.

Like I keep saying and the chart backs up...It's not the taxes, it's the spending.

Always the same with Libertarians. We don't need any Government till its gone

Health Dept? Who needs the center for disease control? Hospital oversight, medical research....all a waste of tax dollars

Agriculture? Education programs, controls over land use, pesticides, productivity, reseach grants...more government waste

Environmental Protection? Yes....Libertarians yearn for the good ole days when companies burned whatever they wanted and dumped everything else in the rivers and lakes

Science and Energy? Nuclear power regulation is never needed and we know how Republicans feel about science

Well...not ALL libertarians are such thoughtless morons, RW.

I've known quite a few who understood that governments need to exist, but whose objections to ours were founded more or less in reality.

In another time, most of those thinking libertarians would have been either moderate Republicans or moderate Democrats, but they see, as many of us do, that neither party really stands for anything anymore.

Lacking a party they can get behind, they declare their independence by declaring themselves libertarians.

Incidently, libertarians ALSO disagree about what steps need be taken to solve our nations problems.

There are leftist libertarians and rightest libertarians.

They seem to seek the same outcomes, but disagree about how to arrive at that conclusion.

I too yearn for the days when Government managed from the center. Moderate Republicans and Democrats could forge compromise and work out solutions that were acceptable to everyone.
Libertarians have their place....not everyone is Lyndon LaRouche
Problem is....today everyone works from the extremes

 

[SuMar]

no asswipe we don't want to cut taxes, we just want the leeching 50% of youse who don't pay any federal income tax to pay some. that's what we want we are tired of carrying your dead weight asses around.

How do you know he doesn't pay taxes?

Because the OP lives in the Bahamas and last I checked folks in the Bahamas don't pay taxes in the US.

 

[Toro]

I want to cut my taxes.

But I don't want to cut yours.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

I see a whole pile in that green part of the pie that isn't any of the feds' business to start with.

Housing? - Nope.
Health? - Nope.
Edumacation? - Nope.
Community Development? - Hardly.
Agriculture? - Nuh-uh.
Environment? - Not even.
Science and Energy? - Negative.

The Constitution grants Congress power to provide for the general welfare of the United States.

Like I keep saying and the chart backs up...It's not the taxes, it's the spending.

Nope, you're wrong. The current budget deficit was the result of the foolish Bush tax cuts, the two wars started by Bush and the Great Bush Recession which was exacerbated by our foolish deregulation of the financial sector.

 

[Oddball]

I see a whole pile in that green part of the pie that isn't any of the feds' business to start with.

Housing? - Nope.
Health? - Nope.
Edumacation? - Nope.
Community Development? - Hardly.
Agriculture? - Nuh-uh.
Environment? - Not even.
Science and Energy? - Negative.

The Constitution grants Congress power to provide for the general welfare of the United States.

Here we go with that stale old chestnut again.

Read up on your James Madison, then get back to us.

 

[Oddball]

While national offense is certainly bloated beyond belief, I see a whole pile in that green part of the pie that isn't any of the feds' business to start with.

Housing? - Nope.
Health? - Nope.
Edumacation? - Nope.
Community Development? - Hardly.
Agriculture? - Nuh-uh.
Environment? - Not even.
Science and Energy? - Negative.

Like I keep saying and the chart backs up...It's not the taxes, it's the spending.

Always the same with Libertarians. We don't need any Government till its gone

Health Dept? Who needs the center for disease control? Hospital oversight, medical research....all a waste of tax dollars

Agriculture? Education programs, controls over land use, pesticides, productivity, reseach grants...more government waste

Environmental Protection? Yes....Libertarians yearn for the good ole days when companies burned whatever they wanted and dumped everything else in the rivers and lakes

Science and Energy? Nuclear power regulation is never needed and we know how Republicans feel about science

Well...not ALL libertarians are such thoughtless morons, RW.

I've known quite a few who understood that governments need to exist, but whose objections to ours were founded more or less in reality.

In another time, most of those thinking libertarians would have been either moderate Republicans or moderate Democrats, but they see, as many of us do, that neither party really stands for anything anymore.

Lacking a party they can get behind, they declare their independence by declaring themselves libertarians.

Incidently, libertarians ALSO disagree about what steps need be taken to solve our nations problems.

There are leftist libertarians and rightest libertarians.

They seem to seek the same outcomes, but disagree about how to arrive at that conclusion.

Bite me.

I don't know of any real libertarians who believe that it's the federal gubmint's role to solve anyone's problems.

The feds' role is to provide protection from aggression from without and a framework for redress of aggression from within...That's it.

 

[Avorysuds]

Why should anyone want to cut the U.S. military budget? Because conservatives are squealing like stuck pigs on Brokenback Mountain to lower taxes,.........it's trendy. Secondly, it takes over half of the budget as the pie chart below explains.


One reason is that -- with $549 billion requested for basic military expenditures and another $159 billion requested for U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- the record $708 billion military spending called for by the Obama administration for fiscal 2011 will be nearly equivalent to the military spending of all other nations in the world combined. When it comes to military appropriations, the U.S. government already spends about seven times as much as China, thirteen times as much as Russia, and seventy-three times as much as Iran.

Is this really necessary? During the Cold War, the United States confronted far more dangerous and numerous military adversaries, including the Soviet Union. And the U.S. government certainly possessed an enormous and devastating military arsenal, as well as the armed forces that used it. But in those years, U.S. military spending accounted for only 26 percent of the world total. Today, as U.S. Congressman Barney Frank has observed, "we have fewer enemies and we're spending more money."

Where does this vast outlay of U.S. tax dollars -- the greatest military appropriations in U.S. history -- go? One place is to overseas U.S. military bases. According to Chalmers Johnson, a political scientist and former CIA consultant, as much as $250 billion per year is used to maintain some 865 U.S. military facilities in more than forty countries and overseas U.S. territories.

The money also goes to fund vast legions of private military contractors. A recent Pentagon report estimated that the Defense Department relies on 766,000 contractors at an annual cost of about $155 billion, and this figure does not include private intelligence organizations. A Washington Post study, which included all categories, estimated that the Defense Department employs 1.2 million private contractors.

How Much Is Enough? America's Runaway Military Spending | World | AlterNet

no asswipe we don't want to cut taxes, we just want the leeching 50% of youse who don't pay any federal income tax to pay some. that's what we want we are tired of carrying your dead weight asses around. [/QUOTE]

You still can't get blood from a stone. The money is not there. People with families struggling to pay the rent, feed their children, pay medical bills, heat their homes in the winter....do not have much extra money to tax

However, if you want to look at the 1% of Americans who control 34% of the wealth, they have plenty of money left over after they have paid for food, housing and healthcare

And so begins the second great depression. I do love that in order to help keep these poor people from failing you need to bail out the uber rich, nice of you to fight for that.

 

[rightwinger]

Always the same with Libertarians. We don't need any Government till its gone

Health Dept? Who needs the center for disease control? Hospital oversight, medical research....all a waste of tax dollars

Agriculture? Education programs, controls over land use, pesticides, productivity, reseach grants...more government waste

Environmental Protection? Yes....Libertarians yearn for the good ole days when companies burned whatever they wanted and dumped everything else in the rivers and lakes

Science and Energy? Nuclear power regulation is never needed and we know how Republicans feel about science

Well...not ALL libertarians are such thoughtless morons, RW.

I've known quite a few who understood that governments need to exist, but whose objections to ours were founded more or less in reality.

In another time, most of those thinking libertarians would have been either moderate Republicans or moderate Democrats, but they see, as many of us do, that neither party really stands for anything anymore.

Lacking a party they can get behind, they declare their independence by declaring themselves libertarians.

Incidently, libertarians ALSO disagree about what steps need be taken to solve our nations problems.

There are leftist libertarians and rightest libertarians.

They seem to seek the same outcomes, but disagree about how to arrive at that conclusion.

Bite me.

I don't know of any real libertarians who believe that it's the federal gubmint's role to solve anyone's problems.

The feds' role is to provide protection from aggression from without and a framework for redress of aggression from within...That's it.

And thats why no modern industrialized country is run on libertarian principles. Outside of some modern day Lyndon La Rouches, libertarianism exists only on internet message boards

Nobody would be dumb enough to try it in real life

 

[rightwinger]

no asswipe we don't want to cut taxes, we just want the leeching 50% of youse who don't pay any federal income tax to pay some. that's what we want we are tired of carrying your dead weight asses around. [/QUOTE]

You still can't get blood from a stone. The money is not there. People with families struggling to pay the rent, feed their children, pay medical bills, heat their homes in the winter....do not have much extra money to tax

However, if you want to look at the 1% of Americans who control 34% of the wealth, they have plenty of money left over after they have paid for food, housing and healthcare

And so begins the second great depression. I do love that in order to help keep these poor people from failing you need to bail out the uber rich, nice of you to fight for that.

Sorry my friend...

It is you who are burdening Americans who are struggling not to fail with an additional tax burden

 

[Oddball]

Well...not ALL libertarians are such thoughtless morons, RW.

I've known quite a few who understood that governments need to exist, but whose objections to ours were founded more or less in reality.

In another time, most of those thinking libertarians would have been either moderate Republicans or moderate Democrats, but they see, as many of us do, that neither party really stands for anything anymore.

Lacking a party they can get behind, they declare their independence by declaring themselves libertarians.

Incidently, libertarians ALSO disagree about what steps need be taken to solve our nations problems.

There are leftist libertarians and rightest libertarians.

They seem to seek the same outcomes, but disagree about how to arrive at that conclusion.

Bite me.

I don't know of any real libertarians who believe that it's the federal gubmint's role to solve anyone's problems.

The feds' role is to provide protection from aggression from without and a framework for redress of aggression from within...That's it.

And thats why no modern industrialized country is run on libertarian principles. Outside of some modern day Lyndon La Rouches, libertarianism exists only on internet message boards

Nobody would be dumb enough to try it in real life

Reddest of red herring.

Just because Fabian socialist progressives have taken over the republic, doesn't mean that the principles of its founding are no longer valid or won't work.

Just because you're a willing subject doesn't necessarily mean everyone else wants to be.

 

[Avorysuds]

I see a whole pile in that green part of the pie that isn't any of the feds' business to start with.

Housing? - Nope.
Health? - Nope.
Edumacation? - Nope.
Community Development? - Hardly.
Agriculture? - Nuh-uh.
Environment? - Not even.
Science and Energy? - Negative.

The Constitution grants Congress power to provide for the general welfare of the United States.

Like I keep saying and the chart backs up...It's not the taxes, it's the spending.

Nope, you're wrong. The current budget deficit was the result of the foolish Bush tax cuts, the two wars started by Bush and the Great Bush Recession which was exacerbated by our foolish deregulation of the financial sector.

That always makes me wonder why they even bother to write the rest of the constitution... I mean at any moment congress can just decide it's in your best interest and BAM...

It’s interesting that the one area of the constitution that could be exploited, well, one of the few… has, and every single time it’s exploited the program that was “needed” failed and ended up costing the country many times more than we were told it would be.

 

[rightwinger]

Bite me.

I don't know of any real libertarians who believe that it's the federal gubmint's role to solve anyone's problems.

The feds' role is to provide protection from aggression from without and a framework for redress of aggression from within...That's it.

And thats why no modern industrialized country is run on libertarian principles. Outside of some modern day Lyndon La Rouches, libertarianism exists only on internet message boards

Nobody would be dumb enough to try it in real life

Reddest of red herring.

Just because Fabian socialist progressives have taken over the republic, doesn't mean that the principles of its founding are no longer valid or won't work.

Just because you're a willing subject doesn't necessarily mean everyone else wants to be.

Far from a red herring...


Just a fact that nobody has EVER tried to run a modern industrialized economy based on Libertarian principles. The reason is that nobody is actually that dumb to believe it would actually work

Come on Dude.....I mean Oddball

Name one successful implementation of Libertarianism in a modern society

 

[Avorysuds]

And so begins the second great depression. I do love that in order to help keep these poor people from failing you need to bail out the uber rich, nice of you to fight for that.

Sorry my friend...

It is you who are burdening Americans who are struggling not to fail with an additional tax burden

We have been doing things your way for a very long time. Things ain't looking so great, maybe you should let someone who knows what they are doing have a go at it eh?

 

[shintao]

I am for cutting everything on the list, but lets take out military spending first. A complete non-necessity item. Or you might like my idea to take the ability to fund legislation away from Congress & the President, and eliminate the IRS and federal taxes all together.

"Provide for the common defense" is in the Constitution so good luck with eliminating that.

The idea of eliminating the IRS is a great idea but just remember that the last government person to move against large government entities was assassinated for it. No politician has the balls to do it and until the people march on DC with guns, pitchforks and torches it aint gonna' happen.

Not so, you can take back the American government the legal way. You just need the right tools. I propose a change in the way our government works, by making WE THE PEOPLE directly responsible for our own actions.



Read: All Volunteer Government Party (AVGP)

 

[Avorysuds]

RW, can you tell me at what point and point where the Government has shrunk in last, 50 years? I mean a real cut back, not we end a war while not even taking that they started the war into context.

You are adamantly against what Bush does despite the fact that he grew Government on almost every level. You go out of your way to criticize Bush on the wars while Obama lies about ending 1 and still is pushing to start a third while expanding the other war.

Big Government Under the Bush Administration

Scroll down a tab and you can see the general growth in Government programs Bush did… and like omg, war, nukes, troops and weapons were not the only area!!! Education you say!!! NOT POSSIBLE!!!

You are just another noobie claiming you want things governed from the “center,” hahaha… Of course you mean Center of far left, defined by people like Bush (Big Government) and Obama (Really Big Government).

Your problem is you are such a hack that when it’s “your guy” in office he can’t get enough power, or things done his way… then when it’s “the evil other guy” in office you can’t rage-quit hard enough about how they have TOO MUCH power…

YOU are the problem. YOU are your own worst enemy.

 

[rightwinger]

Sorry my friend...

It is you who are burdening Americans who are struggling not to fail with an additional tax burden

We have been doing things your way for a very long time. Things ain't looking so great, maybe you should let someone who knows what they are doing have a go at it eh?

Which way is that?

We have been relieving the rich of their tax burden for 30 years since Republican Reagan. Since that time, collective wealth has been redistributed fron the middle class to the upper 10% of Americans

 

[shintao]

Why should anyone want to cut the U.S. military budget? Because conservatives are squealing like stuck pigs on Brokenback Mountain to lower taxes,.........it's trendy. Secondly, it takes over half of the budget as the pie chart below explains.


One reason is that -- with $549 billion requested for basic military expenditures and another $159 billion requested for U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- the record $708 billion military spending called for by the Obama administration for fiscal 2011 will be nearly equivalent to the military spending of all other nations in the world combined. When it comes to military appropriations, the U.S. government already spends about seven times as much as China, thirteen times as much as Russia, and seventy-three times as much as Iran.

Is this really necessary? During the Cold War, the United States confronted far more dangerous and numerous military adversaries, including the Soviet Union. And the U.S. government certainly possessed an enormous and devastating military arsenal, as well as the armed forces that used it. But in those years, U.S. military spending accounted for only 26 percent of the world total. Today, as U.S. Congressman Barney Frank has observed, "we have fewer enemies and we're spending more money."

Where does this vast outlay of U.S. tax dollars -- the greatest military appropriations in U.S. history -- go? One place is to overseas U.S. military bases. According to Chalmers Johnson, a political scientist and former CIA consultant, as much as $250 billion per year is used to maintain some 865 U.S. military facilities in more than forty countries and overseas U.S. territories.

The money also goes to fund vast legions of private military contractors. A recent Pentagon report estimated that the Defense Department relies on 766,000 contractors at an annual cost of about $155 billion, and this figure does not include private intelligence organizations. A Washington Post study, which included all categories, estimated that the Defense Department employs 1.2 million private contractors.

How Much Is Enough? America's Runaway Military Spending | World | AlterNet

no asswipe we don't want to cut taxes, we just want the leeching 50% of youse who don't pay any federal income tax to pay some. that's what we want we are tired of carrying your dead weight asses around.

Hmm, we have a crystal ball gazing, palm & tea leaf reading, imbecile, that is trying to read my balls by looking up my ass. You are wrong on all accounts except for that dingle berry hanging on a ass hair, stuck to you teeth.

Don't try to intimidate me with wealth little man. I retired in 1990 at 45 years old, so what is taking you so long?