Wall for strong gun control

[Rigby5]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

No

Keep your wall because Guns are not the issue and you have laws already your side refuses to enforce.

That is totally ridiculous. I am against the wall, but gun control is what makes a country dangerous.

If they are just sitting ducks, why are homicide rates in countries with gun control a small fraction of ours?

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List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

Do the countries above us on this list have gun control?

Try countries comparable to us that are stable enough to enforce laws. Look at the UK, Germany, Japan, France, Denmark....

So you are suggesting that America establish a lot stricter law enforcement as well?

We have great law enforcement. What we need is stricter laws. Even angry kids have no problem getting guns in this country. The Swiss have lots of guns and a low homicide rates. What they have are much better laws.

There is totally easy access to guns by anyone in Switzerland.
Laws have nothing at all to do with low homicide rates except that when you have unfair laws that make people frustrated or angry, that will increase crime greatly.
Almost every house has a machinegun, and it is not hard for angry kids to gain access to them if they want to.
How is a minor gun law penalty going to deter someone bent on murder, the highest possible penalty?
Makes no sense at all to even begin to consider gun laws as possibly reducing crime.
It is the other way around, where harsh laws are what causes more crime.
If you took Swiss and forced them to obey the corrupt and draconian laws in the US, they would likely want to kill people too.

That’s a stupid statement. Any legal citizen gun owner knows how to keep there gun safe so children can’t get to them. It’s called a safe. I don’t care what my kids do they will never be able to get into them. Your talking about people who don’t own guns legally just put them anywhere. So your argument is bull-it and it’s just liberal whining. You better ban cars, drugs and disease while your at it. Amazing the crap the liberals spew.


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That makes no sense at all, because if you are not home, who is going to protect the children?
Children need firearm access in emergencies as well, and that is why the tradition always used to be a shotgun over the mantel piece.
Switzerland does not use gun safes.

{...
Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
...

“We will never change our attitude about the responsible use of weapons by law-abiding citizens,” says Hermann Suter, vice president of Pro-Tell, the country’s gun lobby, named after legendary apple shooter William Tell, who used a crossbow to target enemies long before firearms were invented.
...
Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm killings per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report.

Unlike some other heavily armed nations, Switzerland’s gun ownership is deeply rooted in a sense of patriotic duty and national identity. Weapons are kept at home because of the long-held belief that enemies could invade tiny Switzerland quickly, so every soldier had to be able to fight his way to his regiment’s assembly point. (Switzerland was at risk of being invaded by Germany during World War II but was spared, historians say, because every Swiss man was armed and trained to shoot.)
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com
...}

Obviously banning something can not prevent it, and defense is an inherent individual right.

 

[Brain357]

Little Brain,

Whatever anti second amendment group is paying you to post this broken record isn't getting their money's worth.

You didn't read my post and won't/can't address my three points.

At least try to earn the money you're being paid to be a shill. At least try to be interesting and informative. Obtuse is so boring.

I did address you. You seem to have no real response to the facts.

 

[Brain357]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

No

Keep your wall because Guns are not the issue and you have laws already your side refuses to enforce.

That is totally ridiculous. I am against the wall, but gun control is what makes a country dangerous.

Try countries comparable to us that are stable enough to enforce laws. Look at the UK, Germany, Japan, France, Denmark....

So you are suggesting that America establish a lot stricter law enforcement as well?

We have great law enforcement. What we need is stricter laws. Even angry kids have no problem getting guns in this country. The Swiss have lots of guns and a low homicide rates. What they have are much better laws.

There is totally easy access to guns by anyone in Switzerland.
Laws have nothing at all to do with low homicide rates except that when you have unfair laws that make people frustrated or angry, that will increase crime greatly.
Almost every house has a machinegun, and it is not hard for angry kids to gain access to them if they want to.
How is a minor gun law penalty going to deter someone bent on murder, the highest possible penalty?
Makes no sense at all to even begin to consider gun laws as possibly reducing crime.
It is the other way around, where harsh laws are what causes more crime.
If you took Swiss and forced them to obey the corrupt and draconian laws in the US, they would likely want to kill people too.

That’s a stupid statement. Any legal citizen gun owner knows how to keep there gun safe so children can’t get to them. It’s called a safe. I don’t care what my kids do they will never be able to get into them. Your talking about people who don’t own guns legally just put them anywhere. So your argument is bull-it and it’s just liberal whining. You better ban cars, drugs and disease while your at it. Amazing the crap the liberals spew.


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That makes no sense at all, because if you are not home, who is going to protect the children?
Children need firearm access in emergencies as well, and that is why the tradition always used to be a shotgun over the mantel piece.
Switzerland does not use gun safes.

{...
Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
...

“We will never change our attitude about the responsible use of weapons by law-abiding citizens,” says Hermann Suter, vice president of Pro-Tell, the country’s gun lobby, named after legendary apple shooter William Tell, who used a crossbow to target enemies long before firearms were invented.
...
Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm killings per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report.

Unlike some other heavily armed nations, Switzerland’s gun ownership is deeply rooted in a sense of patriotic duty and national identity. Weapons are kept at home because of the long-held belief that enemies could invade tiny Switzerland quickly, so every soldier had to be able to fight his way to his regiment’s assembly point. (Switzerland was at risk of being invaded by Germany during World War II but was spared, historians say, because every Swiss man was armed and trained to shoot.)
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com
...}

Obviously banning something can not prevent it, and defense is an inherent individual right.

From you link, the Swiss have much stronger gun laws than the US.

But the “gun in every closet” tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others — the only mass shooting in Switzerland’s recent history. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country’s existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.

 

[2aguy]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

Moron, we already have 20,000 gun control laws at all levels of government...what we need is criminal control..but unfortunately, the democrat party keeps letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail.....stop them from doing this and we reduce our crime rate over night.....

And on the plus side....as more law abiding citizens over the last 26 years have gone out and bought guns...and now actually carry them...our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate has gone down 75%, and our violent crime rate has gone down 72%.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

No

Keep your wall because Guns are not the issue and you have laws already your side refuses to enforce.

That is totally ridiculous. I am against the wall, but gun control is what makes a country dangerous.

So you are suggesting that America establish a lot stricter law enforcement as well?

We have great law enforcement. What we need is stricter laws. Even angry kids have no problem getting guns in this country. The Swiss have lots of guns and a low homicide rates. What they have are much better laws.

There is totally easy access to guns by anyone in Switzerland.
Laws have nothing at all to do with low homicide rates except that when you have unfair laws that make people frustrated or angry, that will increase crime greatly.
Almost every house has a machinegun, and it is not hard for angry kids to gain access to them if they want to.
How is a minor gun law penalty going to deter someone bent on murder, the highest possible penalty?
Makes no sense at all to even begin to consider gun laws as possibly reducing crime.
It is the other way around, where harsh laws are what causes more crime.
If you took Swiss and forced them to obey the corrupt and draconian laws in the US, they would likely want to kill people too.

That’s a stupid statement. Any legal citizen gun owner knows how to keep there gun safe so children can’t get to them. It’s called a safe. I don’t care what my kids do they will never be able to get into them. Your talking about people who don’t own guns legally just put them anywhere. So your argument is bull-it and it’s just liberal whining. You better ban cars, drugs and disease while your at it. Amazing the crap the liberals spew.


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That makes no sense at all, because if you are not home, who is going to protect the children?
Children need firearm access in emergencies as well, and that is why the tradition always used to be a shotgun over the mantel piece.
Switzerland does not use gun safes.

{...
Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
...

“We will never change our attitude about the responsible use of weapons by law-abiding citizens,” says Hermann Suter, vice president of Pro-Tell, the country’s gun lobby, named after legendary apple shooter William Tell, who used a crossbow to target enemies long before firearms were invented.
...
Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm killings per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report.

Unlike some other heavily armed nations, Switzerland’s gun ownership is deeply rooted in a sense of patriotic duty and national identity. Weapons are kept at home because of the long-held belief that enemies could invade tiny Switzerland quickly, so every soldier had to be able to fight his way to his regiment’s assembly point. (Switzerland was at risk of being invaded by Germany during World War II but was spared, historians say, because every Swiss man was armed and trained to shoot.)
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com
...}

Obviously banning something can not prevent it, and defense is an inherent individual right.

From you link, the Swiss have much stronger gun laws than the US.

But the “gun in every closet” tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others — the only mass shooting in Switzerland’s recent history. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country’s existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.

My shotgun is more dangerous than any Ar-15 with just buck shot, and most people do not even know that.

Again it is not the firearm that is the issue and also Switzerland population is a fraction of our Nation Population but of course you will not accept that and compare apples to oranges.

So again no on your gun control laws because you have enough laws already and Florida officials along with the Federal Government failed twice when they could have prevented a mass shooting...

 

[2aguy]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

No

Keep your wall because Guns are not the issue and you have laws already your side refuses to enforce.

That is totally ridiculous. I am against the wall, but gun control is what makes a country dangerous.

So you are suggesting that America establish a lot stricter law enforcement as well?

We have great law enforcement. What we need is stricter laws. Even angry kids have no problem getting guns in this country. The Swiss have lots of guns and a low homicide rates. What they have are much better laws.

There is totally easy access to guns by anyone in Switzerland.
Laws have nothing at all to do with low homicide rates except that when you have unfair laws that make people frustrated or angry, that will increase crime greatly.
Almost every house has a machinegun, and it is not hard for angry kids to gain access to them if they want to.
How is a minor gun law penalty going to deter someone bent on murder, the highest possible penalty?
Makes no sense at all to even begin to consider gun laws as possibly reducing crime.
It is the other way around, where harsh laws are what causes more crime.
If you took Swiss and forced them to obey the corrupt and draconian laws in the US, they would likely want to kill people too.

That’s a stupid statement. Any legal citizen gun owner knows how to keep there gun safe so children can’t get to them. It’s called a safe. I don’t care what my kids do they will never be able to get into them. Your talking about people who don’t own guns legally just put them anywhere. So your argument is bull-it and it’s just liberal whining. You better ban cars, drugs and disease while your at it. Amazing the crap the liberals spew.


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That makes no sense at all, because if you are not home, who is going to protect the children?
Children need firearm access in emergencies as well, and that is why the tradition always used to be a shotgun over the mantel piece.
Switzerland does not use gun safes.

{...
Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
...

“We will never change our attitude about the responsible use of weapons by law-abiding citizens,” says Hermann Suter, vice president of Pro-Tell, the country’s gun lobby, named after legendary apple shooter William Tell, who used a crossbow to target enemies long before firearms were invented.
...
Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm killings per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report.

Unlike some other heavily armed nations, Switzerland’s gun ownership is deeply rooted in a sense of patriotic duty and national identity. Weapons are kept at home because of the long-held belief that enemies could invade tiny Switzerland quickly, so every soldier had to be able to fight his way to his regiment’s assembly point. (Switzerland was at risk of being invaded by Germany during World War II but was spared, historians say, because every Swiss man was armed and trained to shoot.)
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com
...}

Obviously banning something can not prevent it, and defense is an inherent individual right.

From you link, the Swiss have much stronger gun laws than the US.

But the “gun in every closet” tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others — the only mass shooting in Switzerland’s recent history. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country’s existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.

Moron...they have fully automatic military rifles in their homes....guns aren't the issue...it is the culture of the criminals......the Swiss have guns and ammo...they just don't use them to commit murder, you doofus..... Which one of those rules would keep a Swiss citizen from walking into a school, a mall, a theater or a church and murder people....? Since only the military ammo is kept in armories...and if they have access to those armories they can shoot people if they want to.....they just don't do it...which means that guns aren't the issue, the values, culture and population are the issue....

 

[Brain357]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

Moron, we already have 20,000 gun control laws at all levels of government...what we need is criminal control..but unfortunately, the democrat party keeps letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail.....stop them from doing this and we reduce our crime rate over night.....

And on the plus side....as more law abiding citizens over the last 26 years have gone out and bought guns...and now actually carry them...our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate has gone down 75%, and our violent crime rate has gone down 72%.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes right after we got background checks gun crime dropped drastically. Thank you for pointing that out.

 

[Brain357]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

No

Keep your wall because Guns are not the issue and you have laws already your side refuses to enforce.

That is totally ridiculous. I am against the wall, but gun control is what makes a country dangerous.

We have great law enforcement. What we need is stricter laws. Even angry kids have no problem getting guns in this country. The Swiss have lots of guns and a low homicide rates. What they have are much better laws.

There is totally easy access to guns by anyone in Switzerland.
Laws have nothing at all to do with low homicide rates except that when you have unfair laws that make people frustrated or angry, that will increase crime greatly.
Almost every house has a machinegun, and it is not hard for angry kids to gain access to them if they want to.
How is a minor gun law penalty going to deter someone bent on murder, the highest possible penalty?
Makes no sense at all to even begin to consider gun laws as possibly reducing crime.
It is the other way around, where harsh laws are what causes more crime.
If you took Swiss and forced them to obey the corrupt and draconian laws in the US, they would likely want to kill people too.

That’s a stupid statement. Any legal citizen gun owner knows how to keep there gun safe so children can’t get to them. It’s called a safe. I don’t care what my kids do they will never be able to get into them. Your talking about people who don’t own guns legally just put them anywhere. So your argument is bull-it and it’s just liberal whining. You better ban cars, drugs and disease while your at it. Amazing the crap the liberals spew.


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That makes no sense at all, because if you are not home, who is going to protect the children?
Children need firearm access in emergencies as well, and that is why the tradition always used to be a shotgun over the mantel piece.
Switzerland does not use gun safes.

{...
Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
...

“We will never change our attitude about the responsible use of weapons by law-abiding citizens,” says Hermann Suter, vice president of Pro-Tell, the country’s gun lobby, named after legendary apple shooter William Tell, who used a crossbow to target enemies long before firearms were invented.
...
Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm killings per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report.

Unlike some other heavily armed nations, Switzerland’s gun ownership is deeply rooted in a sense of patriotic duty and national identity. Weapons are kept at home because of the long-held belief that enemies could invade tiny Switzerland quickly, so every soldier had to be able to fight his way to his regiment’s assembly point. (Switzerland was at risk of being invaded by Germany during World War II but was spared, historians say, because every Swiss man was armed and trained to shoot.)
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com
...}

Obviously banning something can not prevent it, and defense is an inherent individual right.

From you link, the Swiss have much stronger gun laws than the US.

But the “gun in every closet” tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others — the only mass shooting in Switzerland’s recent history. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country’s existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.

My shotgun is more dangerous than any Ar-15 with just buck shot, and most people do not even know that.

Again it is not the firearm that is the issue and also Switzerland population is a fraction of our Nation Population but of course you will not accept that and compare apples to oranges.

So again no on your gun control laws because you have enough laws already and Florida officials along with the Federal Government failed twice when they could have prevented a mass shooting...

Yes they do have a small population. Germany has a pretty big population though. They have strong gun control and a much lower homicide rate than ours.

 

[2aguy]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

Same argument which is why cons are hypocrites. They dont want to put up a wall/law around guns and one of the arguments is that walls/laws wont keep people from getting the guns.

Moron....we want to put up a wall around actual gun criminals...you know....prison? But the democrat party keeps letting violent, repeat, known, gun criminals out of jail, over and over again......that is the issue...

We Want Walls ARound the actual Criminals......we don't want to bother law abiding gun owners.....

 

[Brain357]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

No

Keep your wall because Guns are not the issue and you have laws already your side refuses to enforce.

That is totally ridiculous. I am against the wall, but gun control is what makes a country dangerous.

We have great law enforcement. What we need is stricter laws. Even angry kids have no problem getting guns in this country. The Swiss have lots of guns and a low homicide rates. What they have are much better laws.

There is totally easy access to guns by anyone in Switzerland.
Laws have nothing at all to do with low homicide rates except that when you have unfair laws that make people frustrated or angry, that will increase crime greatly.
Almost every house has a machinegun, and it is not hard for angry kids to gain access to them if they want to.
How is a minor gun law penalty going to deter someone bent on murder, the highest possible penalty?
Makes no sense at all to even begin to consider gun laws as possibly reducing crime.
It is the other way around, where harsh laws are what causes more crime.
If you took Swiss and forced them to obey the corrupt and draconian laws in the US, they would likely want to kill people too.

That’s a stupid statement. Any legal citizen gun owner knows how to keep there gun safe so children can’t get to them. It’s called a safe. I don’t care what my kids do they will never be able to get into them. Your talking about people who don’t own guns legally just put them anywhere. So your argument is bull-it and it’s just liberal whining. You better ban cars, drugs and disease while your at it. Amazing the crap the liberals spew.


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That makes no sense at all, because if you are not home, who is going to protect the children?
Children need firearm access in emergencies as well, and that is why the tradition always used to be a shotgun over the mantel piece.
Switzerland does not use gun safes.

{...
Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
...

“We will never change our attitude about the responsible use of weapons by law-abiding citizens,” says Hermann Suter, vice president of Pro-Tell, the country’s gun lobby, named after legendary apple shooter William Tell, who used a crossbow to target enemies long before firearms were invented.
...
Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm killings per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report.

Unlike some other heavily armed nations, Switzerland’s gun ownership is deeply rooted in a sense of patriotic duty and national identity. Weapons are kept at home because of the long-held belief that enemies could invade tiny Switzerland quickly, so every soldier had to be able to fight his way to his regiment’s assembly point. (Switzerland was at risk of being invaded by Germany during World War II but was spared, historians say, because every Swiss man was armed and trained to shoot.)
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com
...}

Obviously banning something can not prevent it, and defense is an inherent individual right.

From you link, the Swiss have much stronger gun laws than the US.

But the “gun in every closet” tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others — the only mass shooting in Switzerland’s recent history. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country’s existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.

Moron...they have fully automatic military rifles in their homes....guns aren't the issue...it is the culture of the criminals......the Swiss have guns and ammo...they just don't use them to commit murder, you doofus..... Which one of those rules would keep a Swiss citizen from walking into a school, a mall, a theater or a church and murder people....? Since only the military ammo is kept in armories...and if they have access to those armories they can shoot people if they want to.....they just don't do it...which means that guns aren't the issue, the values, culture and population are the issue....

No they don't. Read the link. And note this part also:
all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes.

Your only defense is always lies.

 

[2aguy]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

No

Keep your wall because Guns are not the issue and you have laws already your side refuses to enforce.

That is totally ridiculous. I am against the wall, but gun control is what makes a country dangerous.

There is totally easy access to guns by anyone in Switzerland.
Laws have nothing at all to do with low homicide rates except that when you have unfair laws that make people frustrated or angry, that will increase crime greatly.
Almost every house has a machinegun, and it is not hard for angry kids to gain access to them if they want to.
How is a minor gun law penalty going to deter someone bent on murder, the highest possible penalty?
Makes no sense at all to even begin to consider gun laws as possibly reducing crime.
It is the other way around, where harsh laws are what causes more crime.
If you took Swiss and forced them to obey the corrupt and draconian laws in the US, they would likely want to kill people too.

That’s a stupid statement. Any legal citizen gun owner knows how to keep there gun safe so children can’t get to them. It’s called a safe. I don’t care what my kids do they will never be able to get into them. Your talking about people who don’t own guns legally just put them anywhere. So your argument is bull-it and it’s just liberal whining. You better ban cars, drugs and disease while your at it. Amazing the crap the liberals spew.


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That makes no sense at all, because if you are not home, who is going to protect the children?
Children need firearm access in emergencies as well, and that is why the tradition always used to be a shotgun over the mantel piece.
Switzerland does not use gun safes.

{...
Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
...

“We will never change our attitude about the responsible use of weapons by law-abiding citizens,” says Hermann Suter, vice president of Pro-Tell, the country’s gun lobby, named after legendary apple shooter William Tell, who used a crossbow to target enemies long before firearms were invented.
...
Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm killings per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report.

Unlike some other heavily armed nations, Switzerland’s gun ownership is deeply rooted in a sense of patriotic duty and national identity. Weapons are kept at home because of the long-held belief that enemies could invade tiny Switzerland quickly, so every soldier had to be able to fight his way to his regiment’s assembly point. (Switzerland was at risk of being invaded by Germany during World War II but was spared, historians say, because every Swiss man was armed and trained to shoot.)
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com
...}

Obviously banning something can not prevent it, and defense is an inherent individual right.

From you link, the Swiss have much stronger gun laws than the US.

But the “gun in every closet” tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others — the only mass shooting in Switzerland’s recent history. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country’s existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.

My shotgun is more dangerous than any Ar-15 with just buck shot, and most people do not even know that.

Again it is not the firearm that is the issue and also Switzerland population is a fraction of our Nation Population but of course you will not accept that and compare apples to oranges.

So again no on your gun control laws because you have enough laws already and Florida officials along with the Federal Government failed twice when they could have prevented a mass shooting...

Yes they do have a small population. Germany has a pretty big population though. They have strong gun control and a much lower homicide rate than ours.

And it has nothing to do with their gun control laws....since they actually have a high rate of gun ownership in Germany, you doofus.....the Germans only commit mass murder in the millions...like the 12 million innocent men, women and children they murdered in their death camps.....but you forgot about those people...you moron...

 

[Brain357]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

Same argument which is why cons are hypocrites. They dont want to put up a wall/law around guns and one of the arguments is that walls/laws wont keep people from getting the guns.

Moron....we want to put up a wall around actual gun criminals...you know....prison? But the democrat party keeps letting violent, repeat, known, gun criminals out of jail, over and over again......that is the issue...

We Want Walls ARound the actual Criminals......we don't want to bother law abiding gun owners.....

We have the fullest jails in the world.

 

[Brain357]

No

Keep your wall because Guns are not the issue and you have laws already your side refuses to enforce.

That is totally ridiculous. I am against the wall, but gun control is what makes a country dangerous.

That’s a stupid statement. Any legal citizen gun owner knows how to keep there gun safe so children can’t get to them. It’s called a safe. I don’t care what my kids do they will never be able to get into them. Your talking about people who don’t own guns legally just put them anywhere. So your argument is bull-it and it’s just liberal whining. You better ban cars, drugs and disease while your at it. Amazing the crap the liberals spew.


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That makes no sense at all, because if you are not home, who is going to protect the children?
Children need firearm access in emergencies as well, and that is why the tradition always used to be a shotgun over the mantel piece.
Switzerland does not use gun safes.

{...
Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
...

“We will never change our attitude about the responsible use of weapons by law-abiding citizens,” says Hermann Suter, vice president of Pro-Tell, the country’s gun lobby, named after legendary apple shooter William Tell, who used a crossbow to target enemies long before firearms were invented.
...
Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm killings per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report.

Unlike some other heavily armed nations, Switzerland’s gun ownership is deeply rooted in a sense of patriotic duty and national identity. Weapons are kept at home because of the long-held belief that enemies could invade tiny Switzerland quickly, so every soldier had to be able to fight his way to his regiment’s assembly point. (Switzerland was at risk of being invaded by Germany during World War II but was spared, historians say, because every Swiss man was armed and trained to shoot.)
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com
...}

Obviously banning something can not prevent it, and defense is an inherent individual right.

From you link, the Swiss have much stronger gun laws than the US.

But the “gun in every closet” tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others — the only mass shooting in Switzerland’s recent history. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country’s existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.

My shotgun is more dangerous than any Ar-15 with just buck shot, and most people do not even know that.

Again it is not the firearm that is the issue and also Switzerland population is a fraction of our Nation Population but of course you will not accept that and compare apples to oranges.

So again no on your gun control laws because you have enough laws already and Florida officials along with the Federal Government failed twice when they could have prevented a mass shooting...

Yes they do have a small population. Germany has a pretty big population though. They have strong gun control and a much lower homicide rate than ours.

And it has nothing to do with their gun control laws....since they actually have a high rate of gun ownership in Germany, you doofus.....the Germans only commit mass murder in the millions...like the 12 million innocent men, women and children they murdered in their death camps.....but you forgot about those people...you moron...

Ah so you bring up ancient history. How many are still alive from that time? Germany has strong gun control.

 

[2aguy]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

Moron, we already have 20,000 gun control laws at all levels of government...what we need is criminal control..but unfortunately, the democrat party keeps letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail.....stop them from doing this and we reduce our crime rate over night.....

And on the plus side....as more law abiding citizens over the last 26 years have gone out and bought guns...and now actually carry them...our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate has gone down 75%, and our violent crime rate has gone down 72%.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes right after we got background checks gun crime dropped drastically. Thank you for pointing that out.

Again, when criminals use straw buyers, who can pass background checks, or they steal their guns....how do background checks magically stop criminals from getting guns? Please, explain....

Then explain how your argument...that more guns in the hands of more law abiding people causes more crime.....fits in with the truth that as more law abiding Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, our violent crime rate went down 72%....

Explain that part of your argument.

 

[Polishprince]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

Moron, we already have 20,000 gun control laws at all levels of government...what we need is criminal control..but unfortunately, the democrat party keeps letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail.....stop them from doing this and we reduce our crime rate over night.....

And on the plus side....as more law abiding citizens over the last 26 years have gone out and bought guns...and now actually carry them...our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate has gone down 75%, and our violent crime rate has gone down 72%.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes right after we got background checks gun crime dropped drastically. Thank you for pointing that out.

The point is that the fact we have millions of armed law abiders out there, our violent crime rate is going down.

A lot of older people like myself would face certain death on the streets if the criminal element didn't think we were packing heat. My mum, example given, is 88 years old. Some young thug comes up to her what chance would she have if she wasn't armed?

 

[Brain357]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

Moron, we already have 20,000 gun control laws at all levels of government...what we need is criminal control..but unfortunately, the democrat party keeps letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail.....stop them from doing this and we reduce our crime rate over night.....

And on the plus side....as more law abiding citizens over the last 26 years have gone out and bought guns...and now actually carry them...our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate has gone down 75%, and our violent crime rate has gone down 72%.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes right after we got background checks gun crime dropped drastically. Thank you for pointing that out.

Again, when criminals use straw buyers, who can pass background checks, or they steal their guns....how do background checks magically stop criminals from getting guns? Please, explain....

Then explain how your argument...that more guns in the hands of more law abiding people causes more crime.....fits in with the truth that as more law abiding Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, our violent crime rate went down 72%....

Explain that part of your argument.

Right after we got background check gun crime dropped like a rock. That's simply a fact.

 

[2aguy]

That is totally ridiculous. I am against the wall, but gun control is what makes a country dangerous.
That makes no sense at all, because if you are not home, who is going to protect the children?
Children need firearm access in emergencies as well, and that is why the tradition always used to be a shotgun over the mantel piece.
Switzerland does not use gun safes.

{...
Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
...

“We will never change our attitude about the responsible use of weapons by law-abiding citizens,” says Hermann Suter, vice president of Pro-Tell, the country’s gun lobby, named after legendary apple shooter William Tell, who used a crossbow to target enemies long before firearms were invented.
...
Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm killings per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report.

Unlike some other heavily armed nations, Switzerland’s gun ownership is deeply rooted in a sense of patriotic duty and national identity. Weapons are kept at home because of the long-held belief that enemies could invade tiny Switzerland quickly, so every soldier had to be able to fight his way to his regiment’s assembly point. (Switzerland was at risk of being invaded by Germany during World War II but was spared, historians say, because every Swiss man was armed and trained to shoot.)
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com
...}

Obviously banning something can not prevent it, and defense is an inherent individual right.

From you link, the Swiss have much stronger gun laws than the US.

But the “gun in every closet” tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others — the only mass shooting in Switzerland’s recent history. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country’s existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.

My shotgun is more dangerous than any Ar-15 with just buck shot, and most people do not even know that.

Again it is not the firearm that is the issue and also Switzerland population is a fraction of our Nation Population but of course you will not accept that and compare apples to oranges.

So again no on your gun control laws because you have enough laws already and Florida officials along with the Federal Government failed twice when they could have prevented a mass shooting...

Yes they do have a small population. Germany has a pretty big population though. They have strong gun control and a much lower homicide rate than ours.

And it has nothing to do with their gun control laws....since they actually have a high rate of gun ownership in Germany, you doofus.....the Germans only commit mass murder in the millions...like the 12 million innocent men, women and children they murdered in their death camps.....but you forgot about those people...you moron...

Ah so you bring up ancient history. How many are still alive from that time? Germany has strong gun control.

Until they do it again.....the 12 million their government murdered is a higher number than all the victims of gun murder in this country over the same time period.....it isn't even close......you just prefer the government commit the murder rather than individual criminals.

 

[Brain357]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

Moron, we already have 20,000 gun control laws at all levels of government...what we need is criminal control..but unfortunately, the democrat party keeps letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail.....stop them from doing this and we reduce our crime rate over night.....

And on the plus side....as more law abiding citizens over the last 26 years have gone out and bought guns...and now actually carry them...our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate has gone down 75%, and our violent crime rate has gone down 72%.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes right after we got background checks gun crime dropped drastically. Thank you for pointing that out.

The point is that the fact we have millions of armed law abiders out there, our violent crime rate is going down.

A lot of older people like myself would face certain death on the streets if the criminal element didn't think we were packing heat. My mum, example given, is 88 years old. Some young thug comes up to her what chance would she have if she wasn't armed?

Look at countries with strong gun control. They have much lower homicide rates. Their mums are much safer.

 

[2aguy]

Trump is claiming to want to protect us with this wall. Well nothing would protect us more than some strong gun control. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. Trade the wall for strong gun control!

Moron, we already have 20,000 gun control laws at all levels of government...what we need is criminal control..but unfortunately, the democrat party keeps letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail.....stop them from doing this and we reduce our crime rate over night.....

And on the plus side....as more law abiding citizens over the last 26 years have gone out and bought guns...and now actually carry them...our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate has gone down 75%, and our violent crime rate has gone down 72%.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes right after we got background checks gun crime dropped drastically. Thank you for pointing that out.

Again, when criminals use straw buyers, who can pass background checks, or they steal their guns....how do background checks magically stop criminals from getting guns? Please, explain....

Then explain how your argument...that more guns in the hands of more law abiding people causes more crime.....fits in with the truth that as more law abiding Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, our violent crime rate went down 72%....

Explain that part of your argument.

Right after we got background check gun crime dropped like a rock. That's simply a fact.

Nope...... you can't explain how background checks stopped crime when criminals use straw buyers....who can pass background checks and then give the guns to criminals, or the criminal simply steal the guns...you can't explain how background checks worked....

You can't explain how more Americans with more guns didn't increase any of the crime rates....another thing you can't explain.

 

[Brain357]

From you link, the Swiss have much stronger gun laws than the US.

But the “gun in every closet” tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others — the only mass shooting in Switzerland’s recent history. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country’s existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.

My shotgun is more dangerous than any Ar-15 with just buck shot, and most people do not even know that.

Again it is not the firearm that is the issue and also Switzerland population is a fraction of our Nation Population but of course you will not accept that and compare apples to oranges.

So again no on your gun control laws because you have enough laws already and Florida officials along with the Federal Government failed twice when they could have prevented a mass shooting...

Yes they do have a small population. Germany has a pretty big population though. They have strong gun control and a much lower homicide rate than ours.

And it has nothing to do with their gun control laws....since they actually have a high rate of gun ownership in Germany, you doofus.....the Germans only commit mass murder in the millions...like the 12 million innocent men, women and children they murdered in their death camps.....but you forgot about those people...you moron...

Ah so you bring up ancient history. How many are still alive from that time? Germany has strong gun control.

Until they do it again.....the 12 million their government murdered is a higher number than all the victims of gun murder in this country over the same time period.....it isn't even close......you just prefer the government commit the murder rather than individual criminals.

Yes you are still scared of Nazis. Is that really all you have? Hitler is long dead.