Walker caves.

[007]

The WI 14 should not agree to anything unless Walker and the Senate GOP send 5 GOP Senators to Illinois to assure there wont be any funny stuff when they come back.

Exactly. The governor has proven beyond all reasonable doubt that he cannot be trusted.

He has? How is that exactly? Walker has openly stated what he wants from day one. It was the cowardly Dems who took flight and went into hiding...

Of which here in Wisconsin we refer to them as "FLEEBAGGERS."

 

[Sallow]

The WI 14 should not agree to anything unless Walker and the Senate GOP send 5 GOP Senators to Illinois to assure there wont be any funny stuff when they come back.

Exactly. The governor has proven beyond all reasonable doubt that he cannot be trusted.

Damn right. He's on tape saying he is willing to lie to get his way.

Lie..and send in trouble makers to make the protestors look bad.

 

[Sallow]

Unions... the last bastion of the mediocre.

And what your saying is what? Mediocre or Average people should not work? Or should they work only for very little money? Or should they be on the public dole? Or should they move out of the country? Or should they subject themselves to medical experiments?

Which is it?

 

[Sheldon]

Are teachers going to pay more toward their benefits as they should since the taxpayers are paying their salaries?

tax.com: Really Bad Reporting in Wisconsin: Who 'Contributes' to Public Workers' Pensions?

Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

How can that be? Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages – as pensions when they retire – rather than take immediately in cash. The same is true with the health care plan. If this were not so a serious crime would be taking place, the gift of public funds rather than payment for services.

...

The fact is that all of the money going into these plans belongs to the workers because it is part of the compensation of the state workers. The fact is that the state workers negotiate their total compensation, which they then divvy up between cash wages, paid vacations, health insurance and, yes, pensions. Since the Wisconsin government workers collectively bargained for their compensation, all of the compensation they have bargained for is part of their pay and thus only the workers contribute to the pension plan. This is an indisputable fact.​

So, what you are saying, is that they yearly pension is actually part of the compensation they were paid while working, just "deferred" for retirement, correct? That means, if the bewginning salary is $25,000, and the first year of retirement will be $60,000, the first year teacher is being compensated $85,000, only $60,000 is deferred is she stays long
enough for retirement. And say her thirtieth year her salary is $75,000 but she is actually compensated $140, 000 to give her one year of retirement later on. Wow.

That doesn't even include the paid vacations and health insurance.

The article speaks for itself. I don't know what the actual numbers are. Benefits are part of the total compensation package that's bargained for, not something separate. How can these teachers contribute more towards their benefits if they're already contributing 100 cents of every dollar? That's the answer-as-a-question to your initial question I quoted.

 

[Stephanie]

I think the Right is frankly stunned at the amount of nationwide support for unions/collective bargaining rights in this country...

...I think the Right got fooled by their own propagandists into believing that unions were overwhelmingly reviled by the American people.

ha ha

LOL, that's what you get for thinking. WHILE you all are on here gloating over something, other STATES have moved to limit the Unions Power.

Now who are the FOOLS.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Exactly. The governor has proven beyond all reasonable doubt that he cannot be trusted.

Damn right. He's on tape saying he is willing to lie to get his way.

Lie..and send in trouble makers to make the protestors look bad.

How many did he send in?


Damn, I knew libs would eventually drop the "he talked about send trouble makers in" and go to the better lie of "he sent them in", but I was hoping it would be the nuttier versions.

 

[JFK_USA]

Of course he will cave, he is against America and Wisconsin right now. If he wants to survive this summer, he will compromise.

 

[Stephanie]

Of course he will cave, he is against America and Wisconsin right now. If he wants to survive this summer, he will compromise.

Is that a threat?
You lefties have completly went off the deep end.
Walker will survive that same as the idiot Obama has. Till the NEXT ELECTION.

 

[xotoxi]

Walker caves.

Carlsbad Caverns.

 

[JFK_USA]

Of course he will cave, he is against America and Wisconsin right now. If he wants to survive this summer, he will compromise.

Is that a threat?
You lefties have completly went off the deep end.
Walker will survive that same as the idiot Obama has. Till the NEXT ELECTION.

Recall?

 

[DiveCon]

MADISON, Wis. — Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has offered to keep certain collective bargaining rights in place for state workers in a proposed compromise aimed at ending a nearly three-week standoff with absent Senate Democrats, according to e-mails released Tuesday by his office.

Wis. governor proposes union compromise - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

Looks like Walker is just another typical politician after all....

wait, hasnt that been his position all along?
that ONLY parts of collective bargaining were being removed?

 

[DiveCon]

Depends on how you look at it. From one perspective, he caves. From another, he's playing the polls, by appearing to have offered compromises, thus making the Dems look bad.

The Dems have looked bad all along. Walker had my support because he had stuck to his guns. Now, it APPEARS he is reacting to polls, like a typical politician.

no, this is looking more like MEDIA SPIN

 

[Annie]

The emails go back to mid-February, Walker looks good which is why he release the emails. The pdf of emails and more found at site:

Is Gov. Scott Walker's offer enough for a deal with rogue 'Wisconsin 14'? - CSMonitor.com

Is Gov. Scott Walker's offer enough for a deal with rogue 'Wisconsin 14'?

Governor Walker has released emails with some of the absentee 'Wisconsin 14' that show he's willing to compromise – on some issues, to some extent.

By Peter Grier, Staff writer
posted March 9, 2011 at 1:53 pm EST

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has said for weeks that he’s not willing to budge on the parts of his budget bill that would strip most Badger State public unions of their collective bargaining power. But now it turns out that’s not entirely true – he is willing to compromise, after all. Is he giving up enough so that Wisconsin’s union standoff can be settled via a deal?

Let’s examine possible answers to that question by going to the emails (pdf).

First, a little background. On Tuesday, Governor Walker released to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel a chain of emails that show he’s offered to dial back a bit on his anti-union efforts. The emails were sent to some of the “Wisconsin 14” – the Democratic state senators who have fled to Illinois to block a vote on this whole thing.

Among key changes, Walker’s offer would allow public unions to bargain over salaries with no dollar limit. In his budget bill, he had banned negotiations over anything but increases that keep up with inflation.

Walker also says that he’d let unions continue to bargain over mandatory overtime, performance bonuses, hazardous duty pay, and classroom size for teachers, among other things.

Only one of the Wisconsin 14 has to return for the state Senate to muster a quorum and return to work. And several of the rogue Democrats say that Walker's offer is enough to keep them talking – though it’s not enough yet to get them to give up the dubious comfort of a hotel bed in Illinois.

“I’m more than willing to continue to work through this if there is willingness on the other side,” said Democratic state Sen. Bob Jauch.

There are several obvious points to make here. First, now that the details of a possible compromise are public, the pressure on both sides to reach a deal will ratchet up. Some Wisconsin Democrats are worried that they increasingly look like a party that’s standing in the way of the democratic process. Some Wisconsin Republicans are worried that they increasingly look like a party bent on destroying unions at all costs.

So if a deal is to be made, Walker’s offer likely will likely be the draft from which it is derived...

 

[Flopper]

MADISON, Wis. — Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has offered to keep certain collective bargaining rights in place for state workers in a proposed compromise aimed at ending a nearly three-week standoff with absent Senate Democrats, according to e-mails released Tuesday by his office.

Wis. governor proposes union compromise - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

Looks like Walker is just another typical politician after all....

It sounds like a good compromise. It give both side something they want and something they don't want.

 

[DiveCon]

MADISON, Wis. — Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has offered to keep certain collective bargaining rights in place for state workers in a proposed compromise aimed at ending a nearly three-week standoff with absent Senate Democrats, according to e-mails released Tuesday by his office.

Wis. governor proposes union compromise - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

Looks like Walker is just another typical politician after all....

It sounds like a good compromise. It give both side something they want and something they don't want.

actually, it looks like Walker is only giving what he started out giving
LOL
only the media spin wants it to be different

 

[Sarah G]

Unions... the last bastion of the mediocre.

That would explain why Reagan headed one.

 

[Charles_Main]

Exactly. The governor has proven beyond all reasonable doubt that he cannot be trusted.

He has? How is that exactly? Walker has openly stated what he wants from day one. It was the cowardly Dems who took flight and went into hiding...

For saying he thought about planting troublemakers in the crowd for starters. For publicly saying he wouldn't negogiate while privately doing so for seconds.

Yes how horrible of him to consider doing something Liberals do all the time. Tea Party rallies are loaded with Democrat Plants there to give the whole movement a bad name.

 

[DiveCon]

He has? How is that exactly? Walker has openly stated what he wants from day one. It was the cowardly Dems who took flight and went into hiding...

For saying he thought about planting troublemakers in the crowd for starters. For publicly saying he wouldn't negogiate while privately doing so for seconds.

Yes how horrible of him to consider doing something Liberals do all the time. Tea Party rallies are loaded with Democrat Plants there to give the whole movement a bad name.

yeah, to "think about it" but not actually do it

 

[DaGoose]

For saying he thought about planting troublemakers in the crowd for starters. For publicly saying he wouldn't negogiate while privately doing so for seconds.

Yes how horrible of him to consider doing something Liberals do all the time. Tea Party rallies are loaded with Democrat Plants there to give the whole movement a bad name.

yeah, to "think about it" but not actually do it

Unlike Reagan who actually did.

 

[Trajan]

MADISON, Wis. — Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has offered to keep certain collective bargaining rights in place for state workers in a proposed compromise aimed at ending a nearly three-week standoff with absent Senate Democrats, according to e-mails released Tuesday by his office.

Wis. governor proposes union compromise - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

Looks like Walker is just another typical politician after all....

hes removed the fiscal part of the legislation, they don't need a quorum to pass it.