Walk the talk...

[Yurt]

i see both sides of the aisle decry the saudis, how evil they are....etc...yet both sides kiss saudi behind...

i see both sides decry this ass kissing and then try to blame that ass kissing on the other side....

so, walk the talk.....

what is your proposal for cutting off all ties to SA? how will this work and how do you believe this will effect our country?

 

[ItsFairmont]

The real Libertarians don't go for the Saudis.

We don't need them.

We should abandon them. Let them defend themselves against Bin Laden.

 

[manu1959]

i see both sides of the aisle decry the saudis, how evil they are....etc...yet both sides kiss saudi behind...

i see both sides decry this ass kissing and then try to blame that ass kissing on the other side....

so, walk the talk.....

what is your proposal for cutting off all ties to SA? how will this work and how do you believe this will effect our country?

easy buy an electric car and plug it into an outlet on your house and put solar panels on your roof.....that is on an individual level....

the car cost what 50k and the panels are 30k.....have the government cut everyone a check....it would stimulate the economy and cost less than the one trillion we just blew.....

 

[Yurt]

 

[Old Rocks]

i see both sides of the aisle decry the saudis, how evil they are....etc...yet both sides kiss saudi behind...

i see both sides decry this ass kissing and then try to blame that ass kissing on the other side....

so, walk the talk.....

what is your proposal for cutting off all ties to SA? how will this work and how do you believe this will effect our country?

easy buy an electric car and plug it into an outlet on your house and put solar panels on your roof.....that is on an individual level....

the car cost what 50k and the panels are 30k.....have the government cut everyone a check....it would stimulate the economy and cost less than the one trillion we just blew.....

Were we to offer the proper incentatives, the increase in orders for these items would would bring the manufacturing prices down. And there are people already manufacturing solar panels that cost less than a dollar a watt.

Solar Panels Get Cheap, But Will the Trend Last? - Research says Silicon Solar Panels like First Solar Uses May Not Hold Up to Scale - Popular Mechanics

A long-sought solar milestone was eclipsed on Tuesday, when Tempe, Ariz.–based First Solar Inc. announced that the manufacturing costs for its thin-film photovoltaic panels had dipped below $1 per watt for the first time. With comparable costs for standard silicon panels still hovering in the $3 range, it's tempting to conclude that First Solar's cadmium telluride (CdTe) technology has won the race. But if we're concerned about the big picture (scaling up solar until it's a cheap and ubiquitous antidote to global warming and foreign oil) a forthcoming study from the University of California–Berkeley and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory suggests that neither material has what it takes compared to lesser-known alternatives such as—we're not kidding—fool's gold.

 

[Old Rocks]

An important point with home solar is that a watt produced at home is worth nearly a watt and one half produced elsewhere, for that is the average loss of the grid.

 

[strollingbones]

both sides kiss ass for oil..that simple....if the saudis didnt have oil..we would have done the right thing after 9/11 and kicked their fucking asses...instead we decide to attack afghanistan...

 

[ItsFairmont]

Watch the film W about the nincompoop the Supreme Court selected eight years ago.

There's a small scene in which Dick Cheney explains how the USA needs to engage in imperialism in the Middle East.

Personally, I was horribly disappointed at how nice Oliver Stone was to Dubya. He portrayed him as a bumbling idiot, but in fact I saw a sinister administration run by Cheney (aka Darth Vader).

These so-called wars in the Middle East are not in defense of America. That's the line the government feeds the suckers (aka, the uneducated).

It's imperialism and nothing else.

When you have your armies all around the world, you are doing the exact same thing the Romans, Greeks, French, British, Spanish and Germans did. Oh, and the Mongols, the Japanese, the Dutch, and so on, and so on.

It's our time now.

But nothing lasts forever. Sooner or later someone will bust our balls back into our own borders, just like they did to the Nazis, the Spanish, the British, the Dutch, the Japanese, yada, yada, yada.

Did I mention the Persians, the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Incas, the Aztecs, the Martians, etc.???


I actually look forward to it. I love the USA, but cannot wait until we are an independent nation again.

F--- the global economy.

 

[auditor0007]

i see both sides of the aisle decry the saudis, how evil they are....etc...yet both sides kiss saudi behind...

i see both sides decry this ass kissing and then try to blame that ass kissing on the other side....

so, walk the talk.....

what is your proposal for cutting off all ties to SA? how will this work and how do you believe this will effect our country?

easy buy an electric car and plug it into an outlet on your house and put solar panels on your roof.....that is on an individual level....

the car cost what 50k and the panels are 30k.....have the government cut everyone a check....it would stimulate the economy and cost less than the one trillion we just blew.....

Hmm, more like $20 trillion I believe, and that's at minimum.

 

[krotchdog]

i see both sides of the aisle decry the saudis, how evil they are....etc...yet both sides kiss saudi behind...

i see both sides decry this ass kissing and then try to blame that ass kissing on the other side....

so, walk the talk.....

what is your proposal for cutting off all ties to SA? how will this work and how do you believe this will effect our country?

easy buy an electric car and plug it into an outlet on your house and put solar panels on your roof.....that is on an individual level....

the car cost what 50k and the panels are 30k.....have the government cut everyone a check....it would stimulate the economy and cost less than the one trillion we just blew.....

Were we to offer the proper incentatives, the increase in orders for these items would would bring the manufacturing prices down. And there are people already manufacturing solar panels that cost less than a dollar a watt.

Solar Panels Get Cheap, But Will the Trend Last? - Research says Silicon Solar Panels like First Solar Uses May Not Hold Up to Scale - Popular Mechanics

A long-sought solar milestone was eclipsed on Tuesday, when Tempe, Ariz.–based First Solar Inc. announced that the manufacturing costs for its thin-film photovoltaic panels had dipped below $1 per watt for the first time. With comparable costs for standard silicon panels still hovering in the $3 range, it's tempting to conclude that First Solar's cadmium telluride (CdTe) technology has won the race. But if we're concerned about the big picture (scaling up solar until it's a cheap and ubiquitous antidote to global warming and foreign oil) a forthcoming study from the University of California–Berkeley and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory suggests that neither material has what it takes compared to lesser-known alternatives such as—we're not kidding—fool's gold.

More pollution, when the life of the panel is over you got to bury it, what happens if there is a tornado hits the house and destroys the panel, what about houses that catch fire. Its CADMIUM TELLURIDE for Christs sake. What about the pollution created this nasty actor, what about all that. The Greenie meanies act like this nasty shit grows on trees or is caught like fish, maybe the tooth fairy brings them.

ALDRICH
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
Date Printed: 09/18/2008
Date Updated: 01/07/2008
Version 1.5
Section 1 - Product and Company Information
Product Name CADMIUM TELLURIDE, POWDER, <250 MICRON,
99.99+% METALS BASIS
Product Number 256544
Brand ALDRICH
Company Sigma-Aldrich
Address 3050 Spruce Street
SAINT LOUIS MO 63103 US
Technical Phone: 800-325-5832
Fax: 800-325-5052
Emergency Phone: 314-776-6555
Section 2 - Composition/Information on Ingredient
Substance Name CAS # SARA 313
CADMIUM TELLURIDE, POWDER, <250 1306-25-8 No
MICRON
Formula CdTe
Synonyms Cadmium monotelluride * Irtran 6
RTECS Number: EV3330000
Section 3 - Hazards Identification
EMERGENCY OVERVIEW
Toxic. Dangerous for the environment.
May cause cancer. Harmful by inhalation, in contact with

skin and
if swallowed. Very toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause

long-term
adverse effects in the aquatic environment.
Confirmed Carcinogen (US). Calif. Prop. 65 carcinogen &
developmental hazard. Danger: Contains cadmium. Avoid

creating
dust. Can cause lung and kidney disease.
HMIS RATING
HEALTH: 1*
FLAMMABILITY: 0
REACTIVITY: 0
NFPA RATING
HEALTH: 1
FLAMMABILITY: 0
REACTIVITY: 0
*additional chronic hazards present.
For additional information on toxicity, please refer to

Section 11.
Section 4 - First Aid Measures
ORAL EXPOSURE
If swallowed, wash out mouth with water provided person is
conscious. Call a physician.
INHALATION EXPOSURE
If inhaled, remove to fresh air. If not breathing give
artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give

oxygen.
DERMAL EXPOSURE
In case of skin contact, flush with copious amounts of

water for
at least 15 minutes. Remove contaminated clothing and

shoes.
Call a physician.
EYE EXPOSURE
In case of contact with eyes, flush with copious amounts

of
water for at least 15 minutes. Assure adequate flushing by
separating the eyelids with fingers. Call a physician.
Section 5 - Fire Fighting Measures
FLASH POINT
N/A
AUTOIGNITION TEMP
N/A
FLAMMABILITY
N/A
EXTINGUISHING MEDIA
Suitable: Noncombustible. Use extinguishing media

appropriate to
surrounding fire conditions.
FIREFIGHTING
Protective Equipment: Wear self-contained breathing

apparatus
and protective clothing to prevent contact with skin and

eyes.
Specific Hazard(s): Emits toxic fumes under fire

conditions.
Section 6 - Accidental Release Measures
PROCEDURE TO BE FOLLOWED IN CASE OF LEAK OR SPILL
Evacuate area.
PROCEDURE(S) OF PERSONAL PRECAUTION(S)
Wear self-contained breathing apparatus, rubber boots, and

heavy
rubber gloves.
METHODS FOR CLEANING UP
Sweep up, place in a bag and hold for waste disposal.

Avoid
raising dust. Ventilate area and wash spill site after

material
pickup is complete.
Section 7 - Handling and Storage
HANDLING
User Exposure: Do not breathe dust. Avoid contact with

eyes,
skin, and clothing. Avoid prolonged or repeated exposure.
STORAGE
Suitable: Keep tightly closed.
Incompatible Materials: Avoid contact with acid.
Section 8 - Exposure Controls / PPE
ALDRICH - 256544 Sigma Aldrich Home Page 2
ENGINEERING CONTROLS
Safety shower and eye bath. Mechanical exhaust required.
PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT
Respiratory: Use respirators and components tested and

approved
under appropriate government standards such as NIOSH (US)

or CEN
(EU). Where risk assessment shows air-purifying

respirators are
appropriate use a dust mask type N95 (US) or type P1 (EN

143)
respirator.
Hand: Compatible chemical-resistant gloves.
Eye: Chemical safety goggles.
GENERAL HYGIENE MEASURES
Wash thoroughly after handling.
EXPOSURE LIMITS, RTECS
Country Source Type Value
USA ACGIH TWA 0.01 MG(CD)/M3
Remarks: inhalable dust
USA ACGIH TWA 0.002 MG(CD)/M3
Remarks: respirable dust
USA ACGIH TWA 0.1 MG(TE)/M3
USA MSHA Standard-air TWA 0.2 MG(CD)/M3
New Zealand OEL
Remarks: check ACGIH TLV
USA NIOSH LOWEST FEASIBLE CONC.
Section 9 - Physical/Chemical Properties
Appearance Physical State: Solid
Color: White
Form: Crystals
Property Value At Temperature or Pressure
Molecular Weight 240.01 AMU
pH N/A
BP/BP Range N/A
MP/MP Range N/A
Freezing Point N/A
Vapor Pressure N/A
Vapor Density N/A
Saturated Vapor Conc. N/A
SG/Density 6.2 g/cm3
Bulk Density N/A
Odor Threshold N/A
Volatile% N/A
VOC Content N/A
Water Content N/A
Solvent Content N/A
Evaporation Rate N/A
Viscosity N/A
Surface Tension N/A
Partition Coefficient N/A
Decomposition Temp. N/A
Flash Point N/A
Explosion Limits N/A
Flammability N/A
Autoignition Temp N/A
Refractive Index N/A
Optical Rotation N/A
Miscellaneous Data N/A
ALDRICH - 256544 Sigma Aldrich Home Page 3
Solubility N/A
N/A = not available
Section 10 - Stability and Reactivity
STABILITY
Stable: Stable.
Materials to Avoid: Strong oxidizing agents, Strong acids.
HAZARDOUS DECOMPOSITION PRODUCTS
Hazardous Decomposition Products: Cadmium/cadmium oxides,
Tellurium oxides.
HAZARDOUS POLYMERIZATION
Hazardous Polymerization: Will not occur
Section 11 - Toxicological Information
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE
Skin Contact: May cause skin irritation.
Skin Absorption: Harmful if absorbed through skin.
Eye Contact: May cause eye irritation.
Inhalation: Harmful if inhaled. Material may be irritating

to
mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract.
Ingestion: Harmful if swallowed.
SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS OF EXPOSURE
Acute inhalation exposure to cadmium fumes may cause

"metal fume
fever" with flu-like symptoms of weakness, fever,

headache,
chills, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, sweating, muscular

pain,
cough and difficulty breathing. Acute pulmonary edema may
develop within 24 hours and reaches a maximum by three

days.The
first chronic effect of exposure to cadmium is generally

kidney
damage, manifested by excretion of excessive protein in

the
urine, followed by anemia, teeth discoloration and loss of
smell. Cadmium also is believed to cause pulmonary

emphysema and
bone disease.
TOXICITY DATA
Intraperitoneal
Rat
2820 MG/KG
LD50
Remarks: Behavioral:Tremor. Behavioral:Change in motor

activity
(specific assay). Nutritional and Gross Metabolic:Weight

loss or
decreased weight gain.
Intraperitoneal
Mouse
2100 MG/KG
LD50
Remarks: Behavioral:Change in motor activity (specific

assay).
Behavioral:Tremor. Nutritional and Gross Metabolic:Weight

loss
or decreased weight gain.
CHRONIC EXPOSURE - CARCINOGEN
Result: Chronic exposure to cadmium may cause lung and

prostate
cancer. This is or contains a component that has been

reported
to be carcinogenic based on its IARC, OSHA, ACGIH, NTP, or

EPA
classification.
ALDRICH - 256544 Sigma Aldrich Home Page 4
OSHA CARCINOGEN LIST
Rating: cancer hazard
IARC CARCINOGEN LIST
Rating: Group 1 Group 1
Rating: Group 1
ACGIH CARCINOGEN LIST
Rating: A2
Rating: A2
IRIS/EPA CARCINOGEN LIST
Rating: Group B2
CHRONIC EXPOSURE - REPRODUCTIVE HAZARD
Result: Overexposure may cause reproductive disorder(s)

based on
tests with laboratory animals.
Section 12 - Ecological Information
No data available.
Section 13 - Disposal Considerations
APPROPRIATE METHOD OF DISPOSAL OF SUBSTANCE OR PREPARATION
Contact a licensed professional waste disposal service to

dispose
of this material. Dissolve or mix the material with a

combustible
solvent and burn in a chemical incinerator equipped with

an
afterburner and scrubber. Observe all federal, state, and

local
environmental regulations.
Section 14 - Transport Information
DOT
Proper Shipping Name: Cadmium compounds
UN#: 2570
Class: 6.1
Packing Group: Packing Group III
Hazard Label: Toxic Substance
PIH: Not PIH
IATA
Proper Shipping Name: Cadmium compound
IATA UN Number: 2570
Hazard Class: 6.1
Packing Group: III
Section 15 - Regulatory Information
EU DIRECTIVES CLASSIFICATION
Symbol of Danger: Xn-N
Indication of Danger: Harmful. Dangerous for the

environment.
R: 20/21/22-50/53
Risk Statements: Harmful by inhalation, in contact with

skin and
if swallowed. Very toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause
long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment.
S: 60-61
Safety Statements: This material and its container must be
disposed of as hazardous waste. Avoid release to the
ALDRICH - 256544 Sigma Aldrich Home Page 5
environment. Refer to special instructions/safety data

sheets.
US CLASSIFICATION AND LABEL TEXT
Indication of Danger: Toxic. Dangerous for the

environment.
Risk Statements: May cause cancer. Harmful by inhalation,

in
contact with skin and if swallowed. Very toxic to aquatic
organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the

aquatic
environment.
Safety Statements: In case of accident or if you feel

unwell,
seek medical advice immediately (show the label where

possible).
Restricted to professional users. Attention - Avoid

exposure -
obtain special instructions before use. This material and

its
container must be disposed of as hazardous waste. Avoid

release
to the environment. Refer to special instructions/safety

data
sheets.
US Statements: Confirmed Carcinogen (US). Calif. Prop. 65
carcinogen & developmental hazard. Danger: Contains

cadmium.
Avoid creating dust. Can cause lung and kidney disease.
UNITED STATES REGULATORY INFORMATION
SARA LISTED: No
NOTES: This product is subject to SARA section 313

reporting
requirements. This product is subject to SARA section 313
reporting requirements.
TSCA INVENTORY ITEM: Yes
UNITED STATES - STATE REGULATORY INFORMATION
CALIFORNIA PROP - 65
California Prop - 65: This product is or contains

chemical(s)
known to the state of California to cause cancer. This

product
is or contains chemical(s) known to the state of

California to
cause developmental toxicity.
CANADA REGULATORY INFORMATION
WHMIS Classification: This product has been classified in
accordance with the hazard criteria of the CPR, and the

MSDS
contains all the information required by the CPR.
DSL: No
NDSL: Yes
Section 16 - Other Information
DISCLAIMER
For R&D use only. Not for drug, household or other uses.
WARRANTY
The above information is believed to be correct but does

not
purport to be all inclusive and shall be used only as a

guide. The
information in this document is based on the present state

of our
knowledge and is applicable to the product with regard to
appropriate safety precautions. It does not represent any
guarantee of the properties of the product. Sigma-Aldrich

Inc.,
shall not be held liable for any damage resulting from

handling or
from contact with the above product. See reverse side of

invoice
or packing slip for additional terms and conditions of

sale.
Copyright 2008 Sigma-Aldrich Co. License granted to make

unlimited
paper copies for internal use only.

 

[Old Rocks]

Cadmium
Another issue frequently mentioned, is the use and recycling of the extremely toxic metal cadmium, one of the six most toxic materials banned by European Union's RoHS regulation. According to First Solar's annual report[30], the CdTe solar panel is not in RoHS compliance, not listed in the exemption product list, but not currently listed in the restricted product list either. So the product's future RoHS compliance status is uncertain[31]. First Solar has a self-imposed recycling regimen that provides a deposited amount (<$0.05 a watt) that covers the costs of transport and recycling of the module at the end of its useful life.[32][33] Recycling has been fully demonstrated on scrap modules. In a validating test, Vasilis Fthenakis of the Brookhaven National Laboratory showed that the glass plates surrounding CdTe material sandwiched between them (as they are in all commercial modules) seal during a fire and do not allow any cadmium release.[34] All other uses and exposures related to cadmium are minor and similar in kind and magnitude to exposures from other materials in the broader PV value chain, e.g., to toxic gases, lead solder, or solvents (most of which are not used in CdTe manufacturing).[35]

Cadmium telluride photovoltaics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[krotchdog]

old rock knowingly posted false information in environment under climate change

how can I address old rocks post here, I will have to spend hours looking for the answer like before and than I find out old rock willingly and knowingly posted a false report, not only did old man post the false report but old man had a rebutal ready in case he got found out

this kind of stuff make me sick, further look at the vile old man says about others, and than we are suppose to take his word and if we dont we get old rokes vile mouth

wikipedia is not a source, I found a false fact, fixed it and a liberal put the false fact right back in

http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/73527-climate-change-the-simple-argument.html


old rock is a scurrilous lying crock of shit (this is not a flame, its old rocks words with old rocks name placed in front)

 

[WillowTree]

How is the goracle gonna fly his jet? doyathink?

 

[FactFinder]

i see both sides of the aisle decry the saudis, how evil they are....etc...yet both sides kiss saudi behind...

i see both sides decry this ass kissing and then try to blame that ass kissing on the other side....

so, walk the talk.....

what is your proposal for cutting off all ties to SA? how will this work and how do you believe this will effect our country?

I have done the following.

I drive 55 on the highway. No jack rabbit starts and I try to adjust my speed downward coming up to red lights to avoid stopping, saving the extra fuel it requires to build up momentum. I drive far less than I used to and even changed jobs to reduce mileage.

I built up flower beds around my foundation and increased actic insulation levels to R45.

I installed a wood stove and made that my primary heat source with the oil fired furnace a secondary source. Compared with last year I saved about 3000 dollars and did my part to reduce demand.

Flourescent bulbs have largely replaced incandescent ones.

I have been slowly doing my homework as it applies to adding solar panels to my roof.

I often sit in the dark at my computer. So if you see typos be sure that it was due to a good cause.

 

[krotchdog]

We should not cut our ties to the Arab kingdom. Its great oil and its very fulfilliing, my truck loves it. My truck gets pissed if I put that sulpher laden north american oil in it. If I had my choice I would burn pure light sweet crude from the middle east, I would burn it until we use it all

Burn, Burn, Burn

Saudi light sweet crude truely is the best in the world, thats why the British created Saudi Arabia.