Wal Mart workers threaten walkout on Black Friday

[Dot Com]

it always amazes me those condemning Walmart yet don't attack Target which both pay about the same (though Walmarts bonuses are bigger than Targets) and yet Walmart offers much better health benefits of which even part time workers are able to get.

link? What are these "benefits". Keep in mind that many are only offered P/T positions so the benefits consist of 30% off at the wally world lunch counter.

actually no. Read up for my link.

that link of yours is going on 8 yrs old and it references a "medical plan" BUT doesn't say whats in it. You need a better source than that. Give me one that outlines medical benefits for P/T employees that you brought up.

 

[depotoo]

Target Salaries | Glassdoor
Walmart Stores Salaries | Glassdoor

 

[depotoo]

Overall wal mart pays low wages,keeps you under 40 hours so as not to give you benefits and any hint of dissent is immediately suppressed...maybe union is not the answer but something needs to be done.

actually that is a lie. They also give benefits to part timers. They offer the same health benefits to their part time employees as they do their full time.

well then. A link should be easy for you to provide

I did.

 

[Dot Com]

Target Salaries | Glassdoor
Walmart Stores Salaries | Glassdoor

Those are salaries, not benefits. Do you know how much 1-day in the ER costs?

 

[BBCAmerica]

There's about 45,000 where I live. We have a ton of factories that pay pretty good. We also have 2 Wal-Marts. I know they employ a lot of people and people are OK with the job, I'm just wondering if the employees here are treated a little better because it wouldn't be so east to find new employees. I mean here if you don't have a job it's because you don't want one. We have at least 15 temp agencies. All paying around $10 an hr. Wal-Mart pays $8 an hr and always has a help wanted as you walk in. Hell McDonald's here pays $8.50. Now you got some factories that start at $17 an hr that treat their employees because they know they can. These jobs are not easy to come by. I hear the Asian factories are notorious for treating people like crap. But if you are making &20 an hr, what you gonna do? But yeah I can see people being treated like crap at Wal-Marts that are not hurting for people treating folks like crap. It may not be so much Wal-Mart itself as it is just the assholes you work for

 

[Dissent]

Damn where you live? Sounds like a nice place.

 

[depotoo]

link? What are these "benefits". Keep in mind that many are only offered P/T positions so the benefits consist of 30% off at the wally world lunch counter.

actually no. Read up for my link.

that link of yours is going on 8 yrs old and it references a "medical plan" BUT doesn't say whats in it. You need a better source than that. Give me one that outlines medical benefits for P/T employees that you brought up.

I need to make a correction regarding the part time for both Walmart and Target.
Walmart has changed it health benefits to include only those working 24 hours a week or more. This was done in 2011.
And Target has starting doing the same.

from that link

Both companies offer health care insurance to employees, but Target’s is considered more restrictive. Two years ago, Target dropped health care insurance coverage for all part-time workers. By contrast, Wal-Mart makes its medical plan available to all workers, full- and part-time.

Union groups that have analyzed the two companies’ policies maintain that Wal-Mart’s also is more equitable.

All Wal-Mart’s employees, from store cashiers to chief executive Lee Scott, are covered under the same medical plan. All employees can choose from the same four deductible options and receive unlimited coverage for catastrophic expenses — such as organ transplants or cancer treatments — that can financially ruin an employee.

Target, however, offers multiple health care plans to its employees that vary by geographic location, according to the company’s employee handbook. At Target, store employees do not receive catastrophic coverage and deductible levels vary, according to former and current employees.

oh, and this just in -
Walmart Expands Health Benefits to Cover Heart and Spine Surgeries at No Cost to Associates - MarketWatch
Walmart Careers - Benefits Careers
Employee Benefits, Fringe Benefits, Perks | Target Corporate

 

[Katzndogz]

Overall wal mart pays low wages,keeps you under 40 hours so as not to give you benefits and any hint of dissent is immediately suppressed...maybe union is not the answer but something needs to be done.

No one is forcing people to work at Walmart. If people don't like the pay, the hours or the benefits they can find another job.

ummm..... no they can't. When Wally World comes to town, the small local businesses are forced to shutter their business' because they can't compete w/ Wally World's business model- cheap products from Red China sold at low prices/high volume.

The ultimate beneficiary of that business model is the consumer because they get better merchandise at lower prices. Those mom and pops sell the same cheap stuff from China, they just charge more for it. Since the volume is low, most of what they sell is old, outdated and in the area of food, mostly spoiled.

It isn't hard for a small store to compete with Wal Mart. They just have to be clever. They have to innovate. Small mom and pop stores think they can just open their doors and customers will walk in, pay more and get less customer service. Return something to Wal Mart. A bored clerk processes the return and gives you your money. Return something to a mom and pop, get an argument and you will never see your money.

 

[SniperFire]

No one is forcing people to work at Walmart. If people don't like the pay, the hours or the benefits they can find another job.

ummm..... no they can't. When Wally World comes to town, the small local businesses are forced to shutter their business' because they can't compete w/ Wally World's business model- cheap products from Red China sold at low prices/high volume.

The ultimate beneficiary of that business model is the consumer because they get better merchandise at lower prices. Those mom and pops sell the same cheap stuff from China, they just charge more for it. Since the volume is low, most of what they sell is old, outdated and in the area of food, mostly spoiled.

It isn't hard for a small store to compete with Wal Mart. They just have to be clever. They have to innovate. Small mom and pop stores think they can just open their doors and customers will walk in, pay more and get less customer service. Return something to Wal Mart. A bored clerk processes the return and gives you your money. Return something to a mom and pop, get an argument and you will never see your money.

The chains that are putting the hurt on Walmart right now are the Dollar Generals and Family Dollars. National chains to be sure, but doing business locally and beating Walmart at their own game.

 

[BBCAmerica]

Target Salaries | Glassdoor
Walmart Stores Salaries | Glassdoor

Those are salaries, not benefits. Do you know how much 1-day in the ER costs?

Yeah the benefit package is not that good for part timers IF you can even get them.
This is snipped from USA Today Money

Higher bar for benefits
Fluctuating hours also make it difficult to qualify — and pay — for health care coverage, workers complain.
Full-time employees are eligible for benefits six months after being hired, while part-time employees must wait a year and average 30 hours weekly, Walmart says. That's up from an average 24 hours a week for part-time employees hired before Feb. 1, 2012. There's no minimum for part-timers hired before Jan. 15, 2011.
Walmart says it changed its health care plan to more closely conform to the new federal health care law.
Greg Fletcher, an electronics sales associate at the Duarte, Calif., store, works 24 to 32 hours a week and says he's getting the "high end" of available hours. His wife also works at Walmart but lacks enough hours to earn benefits. Together they made $25,000 last year. Fletcher says Walmart's benefits would cost up to a third of his paycheck to cover his family.
"For a lot of people, it's just an unaffordable option," the 29-year-old says.
Instead, the Fletchers are on Medi-Cal, California's Medicaid program, to help cover themselves and their two sons, ages 6 and 9 months.

 

[depotoo]

I know I will never do it again...just ain't worth it.



Then they are the minority. My wife with over 2 years experience in the deli at most has made 8.90$ an hour...how the hell is that a livable wage? Oh and at most 38 hours a week...can't have your workers actually being full time now can ya.



You support wal marts horrible policies?

If they are so horrible then why do people work there?

As I said no one is forcing anyone to work at Walmart.

If they are so horrible then why do people work there?

As I said no one is forcing anyone to work at Walmart.

No slight to anyone in particular least of all Dissent's wife but just what is worth more than $8.90 working in a deli dept. Slicing cold cuts, putiing coleslaw in a container...what is Walmart supposed to pay and still make a profit?

They should pay like all other companies based on experience. When she started there it was 7.65$ then she was given a raise to 8.05$. We moved and she got a job at another wal mart and they started her at 8.90$ but she was never given a raise...we barely made ends meet so she really had no way to go to college like she wants because that mean's cutting back hours to go and that means less money to pay bills etc...life is hard on everyone understandable but wal mart is like a cannibal just waiting to pounce on high school graduates who can't find work and they put them to work just like they do the slave labor in China and overseas plants...people who work for wal mart do so because they come in push the small stores out of business and then people have no choice but to work for them.

Walmart and Target's deli service worker average pay is within 1 penny of each other. It does sound like your wife needs to ask about a pay raise, though, where you live may make a difference. The average rate of pay is $9.75 an hour.
Walmart Stores Salary | Glassdoor
Walmart Stores Salary | Glassdoor

 

[Dot Com]

No one is forcing people to work at Walmart. If people don't like the pay, the hours or the benefits they can find another job.

ummm..... no they can't. When Wally World comes to town, the small local businesses are forced to shutter their business' because they can't compete w/ Wally World's business model- cheap products from Red China sold at low prices/high volume.

The ultimate beneficiary of that business model is the consumer because they get better merchandise at lower prices. Those mom and pops sell the same cheap stuff from China, they just charge more for it. Since the volume is low, most of what they sell is old, outdated and in the area of food, mostly spoiled.

It isn't hard for a small store to compete with Wal Mart. They just have to be clever. They have to innovate. Small mom and pop stores think they can just open their doors and customers will walk in, pay more and get less customer service. Return something to Wal Mart. A bored clerk processes the return and gives you your money. Return something to a mom and pop, get an argument and you will never see your money.

ummm..... the "consumer has to have a job

 

[beretta304]

Target Salaries | Glassdoor
Walmart Stores Salaries | Glassdoor

Those are salaries, not benefits. Do you know how much 1-day in the ER costs?

Yeah the benefit package is not that good for part timers IF you can even get them.
This is snipped from USA Today Money

Higher bar for benefits
Fluctuating hours also make it difficult to qualify — and pay — for health care coverage, workers complain.
Full-time employees are eligible for benefits six months after being hired, while part-time employees must wait a year and average 30 hours weekly, Walmart says. That's up from an average 24 hours a week for part-time employees hired before Feb. 1, 2012. There's no minimum for part-timers hired before Jan. 15, 2011.
Walmart says it changed its health care plan to more closely conform to the new federal health care law.
Greg Fletcher, an electronics sales associate at the Duarte, Calif., store, works 24 to 32 hours a week and says he's getting the "high end" of available hours. His wife also works at Walmart but lacks enough hours to earn benefits. Together they made $25,000 last year. Fletcher says Walmart's benefits would cost up to a third of his paycheck to cover his family.
"For a lot of people, it's just an unaffordable option," the 29-year-old says.
Instead, the Fletchers are on Medi-Cal, California's Medicaid program, to help cover themselves and their two sons, ages 6 and 9 months.

Cry me a river. Respiratory Therapists employed at major hospitals, with specialized college training are kept under 40 hours and they pay for their benefits.

 

[Dot Com]

Target Salaries | Glassdoor
Walmart Stores Salaries | Glassdoor

Those are salaries, not benefits. Do you know how much 1-day in the ER costs?

Yeah the benefit package is not that good for part timers IF you can even get them.
This is snipped from USA Today Money

Higher bar for benefits
Fluctuating hours also make it difficult to qualify — and pay — for health care coverage, workers complain.
Full-time employees are eligible for benefits six months after being hired, while part-time employees must wait a year and average 30 hours weekly, Walmart says. That's up from an average 24 hours a week for part-time employees hired before Feb. 1, 2012. There's no minimum for part-timers hired before Jan. 15, 2011.
Walmart says it changed its health care plan to more closely conform to the new federal health care law.
Greg Fletcher, an electronics sales associate at the Duarte, Calif., store, works 24 to 32 hours a week and says he's getting the "high end" of available hours. His wife also works at Walmart but lacks enough hours to earn benefits. Together they made $25,000 last year. Fletcher says Walmart's benefits would cost up to a third of his paycheck to cover his family.
"For a lot of people, it's just an unaffordable option," the 29-year-old says.
Instead, the Fletchers are on Medi-Cal, California's Medicaid program, to help cover themselves and their two sons, ages 6 and 9 months.

thank you

 

[Katzndogz]

If Wal Mart and Target pay $9.75 an hour, what do you think those mom and pop stores pay. IF they hire anyone beyond their immediate family. What kind of benefits does that mom and pop give to their one or two employees?

 

[Katzndogz]

ummm..... no they can't. When Wally World comes to town, the small local businesses are forced to shutter their business' because they can't compete w/ Wally World's business model- cheap products from Red China sold at low prices/high volume.

The ultimate beneficiary of that business model is the consumer because they get better merchandise at lower prices. Those mom and pops sell the same cheap stuff from China, they just charge more for it. Since the volume is low, most of what they sell is old, outdated and in the area of food, mostly spoiled.

It isn't hard for a small store to compete with Wal Mart. They just have to be clever. They have to innovate. Small mom and pop stores think they can just open their doors and customers will walk in, pay more and get less customer service. Return something to Wal Mart. A bored clerk processes the return and gives you your money. Return something to a mom and pop, get an argument and you will never see your money.

ummm..... the "consumer has to have a job

There you have another issue! A mom and pop might hire one or two employees. Wal Mart hires 100 or more.

 

[SniperFire]

If Wal Mart and Target pay $9.75 an hour, what do you think those mom and pop stores pay. IF they hire anyone beyond their immediate family. What kind of benefits does that mom and pop give to their one or two employees?

Dot Com's Lefty meme crashes and burns....

 

[beretta304]

Let's call a spade a spade. If you are employed at WalMart...you are either underemployed right now or it's all you're qualified for. To expect to get a pay rate equivalent to industries that require actual "know how" is ludicrous.

Maybe the taxpayer should subsidize them.

 

[Katzndogz]

A mom and pop can survive, they can do well, they can offer some real competition, but they can't use the same business plan they have always used.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Overall wal mart pays low wages,keeps you under 40 hours so as not to give you benefits and any hint of dissent is immediately suppressed...maybe union is not the answer but something needs to be done.

Yeah, like not work at WalMart if one finds it that distasteful?