% $(*W Jews!

[dilloduck]

As has been noted by Jeff, dmp and others, when repetition is all that's going on, there is no point.

In this case you just keep adding 'I know...' If there is more, please let's have at it.

I would continue but it's locked.

 

[Annie]

I would continue but it's locked.

Fine, I'll unlock it and we'll see if you and your friends wish to bring something new to it. Otherwise, start another thread.

 

[dilloduck]

Fine, I'll unlock it and we'll see if you and your friends wish to bring something new to it. Otherwise, start another thread.

Ty--I assume Jeff started this thread for some reason. Debate anti-semitism maybe?

 

[Annie]

Ty--I assume Jeff started this thread for some reason. Debate anti-semitism maybe?

I started this thread. :shocked:

Now on the following, if I were able to tell the Israelis what to do, it's time to leave, quickly. Come to US. There are opportunities, you have the educations, most of you speak English or will readily learn:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060528/wl_nm/lebanon_israel_strike_dc

Violence flares on Lebanon-Israel border

By Shawki al-Hajj Sun May 28, 1:39 PM ET

LUCI, Lebanon (Reuters) - Israeli jets attacked Syrian-backed Palestinian and Lebanese guerrillas in Lebanon on Sunday, hours after rockets fired deep into northern
Israel wounded an Israeli soldier.
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Gunbattles broke out between Israeli soldiers and Hizbollah guerrillas along the volatile Lebanese-Israeli border in what Israel said was its toughest attack since it ended a 22-year occupation of south Lebanon six years ago.

One Palestinian militant and a Hizbollah fighter were killed and two Lebanese civilians and another Israeli soldier were wounded in the fighting.

The Israeli army ordered residents living in northern areas to go to bomb shelters after a clash between Hizbollah and Israeli soldiers near Kibbutz Menara landed mortar and rocket fire in northern Israel, Israeli security sources said.

Hizbollah guerrillas, backed by
Syria and
Iran, also attacked Israeli posts in the disputed Shebaa Farms border area, Lebanese witnesses said.

U.N. peacekeepers later brokered a ceasefire that ended the hostilities and Israel called residents out of shelters.

"We are in contact with both sides. We brokered a ceasefire and we hope this agreement will take hold," Milos Strugar, senior adviser to the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon, said.

The Palestinian group Islamic Jihad denied it claimed responsibility for the rocket attack into Israel although it had earlier vowed revenge for the killing of one of its officials and his brother in a car bombing in south Lebanon on Friday.

Witnesses said Israeli aircraft and artillery pounded areas along different parts of the border.

The Israeli army said those attacks targeted suspected Hizbollah positions in southern Lebanon in response to "a large scale attack on Israeli communities and military bases in northern Israel."

"VERY PAINFULL BLOW"

Israeli General Udi Adam, head of northern command for forces along Israel's northern border, told reporters that his forces attacked over 20 Hizbollah posts after an off-duty soldier was shot and wounded by sniper fire from Lebanon.

"Let there be no doubt that we will deal a very painful blow to whoever tries to disrupt life along our northern border," Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told Israeli television.

"I think those taking part in this fire have miscalculated. They will receive an unequivocal and very aggressive response without hesitation if they don't stop."

Hours earlier Israeli warplanes struck a military base just outside Beirut and another in the eastern Bekaa Valley, both run by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC), which is based in Damascus.

Palestinian militants at the base near the eastern village of Luci fired automatic rifles and anti-aircraft guns at the planes, while the Lebanese army said its anti-aircraft units responded to the attack on the Naameh base near Beirut.

One of the bases, which consist of tunnels dug into the hills, was used to store arms.

Hizbollah, which controls the Lebanese side of the border and sporadically attacks Israeli posts in the disputed Shebaa Farms, condemned the Israeli strikes and said its fighters had hit back at Israeli positions.

"The Zionist enemy, who committed the crime of assassinating the two (Islamic Jihad) martyrs, alone bears responsibility for this dangerous escalation," Hizbollah said in a statement.

"It knows that its crimes would lead to retaliation and major repercussions..."

The group, which is under international pressure to disarm, said this week that it had thousands of rockets able to hit any target in northern Israel should the Jewish state attack Lebanese territory again.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said earlier that Israel planned to lodge a complaint with the
U.N. Security Council over the initial rocket attack on the town of Safed.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Why don't they just have an open border consequences be damned? That's their great model for other people. I guess they're just full of shit hypocrites.

 

[dilloduck]

Why don't they just have an open border consequences be damned? That's their great model for other people. I guess they're just full of shit hypocrites.

I think it's against the law.

Israeli Arabs crying foul
after immigration law upheld
By Dan Baron
May 14, 2006




JERUSALEM, May 14 (JTA) — Israeli Arabs are upset after Israel’s top court upheld a controversial law that prevents Palestinians married to Israeli Arabs from living in Israel.
By a vote of 6-5, the High Court of Justice on Sunday rejected petitions filed against the Citizenship and Entry Law.

While acknowledging that the law violates the human rights of the thousands of Israeli Arabs married to Palestinians, the High Court said national security must take precedence.

At least one of the Palestinian suicide bombers to have struck since 2000 was a resident of Israel through marriage, and Israeli Jews are all the more suspicious of Palestinians since they voted in a Hamas government...
http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=16605&intcategoryid=1

 

[Annie]

Maybe the Arab world---I don't think the rest of the world gives much of a shit anymore. Business as usual in the middle east. What do you expect the rest of the world to do? Form an alliance, kill all the Arabs, nuke Iran, and give Israel another 3 billion a year in aid?

Not exactly:

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/2002/0617/antisemitism/story.html

http://www.policyreview.org/oct03/rosenthal.html

http://www.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/38113.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3234264.stm

 

[dilloduck]

Not exactly:

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/2002/0617/antisemitism/story.html

http://www.policyreview.org/oct03/rosenthal.html

http://www.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/38113.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3234264.stm

Good links to prove anti-semitism still exists except that I never claimed it didn't. Bigotry exists against every race and religion that i can think of.
Again--what actions to you think the EU should take regarding the never ending Israeli/Arab war?

 

[jillian]

Why don't they just have an open border consequences be damned? That's their great model for other people. I guess they're just full of shit hypocrites.

So you like the idea of terrorists going over the border and blowing up babies in carriages and school children on buses?

Yeah...I guess that would take care of those horrid jews who want to take over the world with their talmudic radical thought.

 

[Annie]

Good links to prove anti-semitism still exists except that I never claimed it didn't. Bigotry exists against every race and religion that i can think of.
Again--what actions to you think the EU should take regarding the never ending Israeli/Arab war?

For a start, the post I quoted basically seemed to imply that their only 'enemies' were in the Mid-East, not so. That's what those links were about.

I know, I know, that's not what you meant!

Let's see, as late as Saturday the Israelis were hit from Lebanon, how about condemning those that are the aggressors? They might take a look here, about where to start:

What Israel has been doing to try and garner more 'friends', which of course is a lost cause, for all the reasons implied by the links:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008442

West Bank Terrorist State
The folly of Israeli disengagement.

BY R. JAMES WOOLSEY
Monday, May 29, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

What does one say to a good ally who seems determined to reinforce failure? That the U.S. will pay for the undertaking?

Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was in Washington last week, where he asked for advice and assistance in financing the withdrawal of 50,000 to 100,000 Israeli settlers from 90% to 95% of the West Bank and major portions of Jerusalem, and for the Israel Defense Forces to be repositioned largely near the security barrier Israel is constructing. Most Americans are inclined to believe that such disengagement may be a reasonable step toward a two-state solution, even if some territorial disputes remain to be negotiated. It is also widely assumed that Palestinian hostility to Israel is fueled by despair that can only be reduced by Israeli concessions. Both assumptions, however, may be fundamentally flawed.

The approach Israel is preparing to take in the West Bank was tried in Gaza and has failed utterly. The Israeli withdrawal of last year has produced the worst set of results imaginable: a heavy presence by al Qaeda, Hezbollah and even some Iranian Revolutionary Guard units; street fighting between Hamas and Fatah, and now Hamas assassination attempts against Fatah's intelligence chief and Jordan's ambassador; rocket and mortar attacks against nearby towns inside Israel; and a perceived vindication for Hamas, which took credit for the withdrawal. This latter almost certainly contributed substantially to Hamas's victory in the Palestinian elections.

The world now needs to figure out how to keep Palestinians from starving without giving funds to a Hamas government in Gaza resolutely focused on destroying Israel. Before his massive stroke last year, Ariel Sharon repeatedly said he would not replay the Gaza retreat in the West Bank. With good reason: Creating a West Bank that looks like today's Gaza would be many times the nightmare. How would one deal with continuing launches of rockets and mortars from the West Bank into virtually all of Israel? (Israel's Arrow missile defense will probably work against Iranian medium-range ballistic missiles but not against the much shorter-range Katyushas.) A security barrier does no good against such bombardment. The experience in Gaza, further, has shown the difficulty of defending against such attacks after the IDF boots on the ground have departed. Effective, prompt retaliation from the air is hard to imagine if the mortar rounds and Katyushas are being launched, as they will be, from schools, hospitals and mosques.

Israel is not the only pro-Western country that would be threatened. How does moderate Jordan, with its Palestinian majority, survive if bordered by a West Bank terrorist state? Israeli concessions will also make the U.S. look weak, because it will be inferred that we have urged them, and will suggest that we are reverting to earlier behavior patterns--fleeing Lebanon in 1983, acquiescing in Saddam's destruction of the Kurdish and Shiite rebels in 1991, fleeing Somalia in 1993, etc.

Three major Israeli efforts at accommodation in the last 13 years have not worked. Oslo and the 1993 handshake in the Rose Garden between Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat produced only Arafat's rejection in 2000 of Ehud Barak's extremely generous settlement offer and the beginning of the second intifada. The Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon in 2000 has enhanced Hezbollah's prestige and control there; and the withdrawal from Gaza has unleashed madness. These three accommodations have been based on the premise that only Israeli concessions can displace Palestinian despair. But it seems increasingly clear that the Palestinian cause is fueled by hatred and contempt.

Israeli concessions indeed enhance Palestinian hope, but not of a reasonable two-state solution--rather a hope that they will actually be able to destroy Israel. The Iranian-Syrian-Hezbollah-Hamas axis is quite explicit about a genocidal objective. When they speak of "ending Israeli occupation" they mean of Tel Aviv. Under these circumstances it is time to recognize that, sadly, the Israeli-Palestinian issue will likely not be the first matter settled in the decades-long war that radical Islam has declared on the U.S., Israel, the West and moderate Muslims. It will more likely be one of the last.

Someday a two-state solution may become possible, but it is naive in the extreme to believe that this can occur while the centerpiece of the radical Islamic and Palestinian agendas is maximizing Jewish deaths. A durable compromise will be achievable only when we no longer, to borrow from Daniel Patrick Moynihan, "define deviancy down" for the Palestinians.

Today we cannot envision the 250,000 Jewish settlers who live outside Israel's pre-1967 borders being permitted to live at all, much less live free and unmolested, in a West-Bank-Gaza Palestinian state. But some 1.2 million Arabs, almost all Muslim, today live in Israel in peace among some five million Jews--about double the percentage of Jews now in the West Bank as a share of the Muslim population there. Israel's Arab citizens worship freely--one hears muezzins calling the faithful to prayer as one walks around Tel Aviv. They vote in free elections for their own representatives in a real legislature, the Knesset. They give every evidence that they prefer being Arab Israelis to living in the chaos and uncertainty of a West Bank after Israeli withdrawal.

A two-state solution can become a reality when the Palestinians are held to the same standards as Israelis--to the requirement that Jewish settlers in a West Bank-Gaza Palestinian state would be treated with the same decency that Israel treats its Arab citizens. Until then, three failures in 13 years should permit us to evaluate the wisdom of further concessions.

Mr. Woolsey, a former director of Central Intelligence, is co-chairman of the Committee on the Present Danger.

 

[dilloduck]

For a start, the post I quoted basically seemed to imply that their only 'enemies' were in the Mid-East, not so. That's what those links were about.

I know, I know, that's not what you meant!

Let's see, as late as Saturday the Israelis were hit from Lebanon, how about condemning those that are the aggressors? They might take a look here, about where to start:

What Israel has been doing to try and garner more 'friends', which of course is a lost cause, for all the reasons implied by the links:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008442

I will always condemn the agressors. How does one differentiate between disagreement with anti-Israeli policy and anti-semetism? or is it just assumed to be the same thing when expressed by a gentile?

 

[Annie]

I will always condemn the agressors. How does one differentiate between disagreement with anti-Israeli policy and anti-semetism? or is it just assumed to be the same thing when expressed by a gentile?

I wasn't speaking of YOU, but Europe, which was the point of your post? Why don't you ever respond to what I posted? Why do you always go off on some other tangent? Why are you paranoid about Gentiles? I am one, in no way am I denigrating them.

 

[dilloduck]

I wasn't speaking of YOU, but Europe, which was the point of your post? Why don't you ever respond to what I posted? Why do you always go off on some other tangent? Why are you paranoid about Gentiles? I am one, in no way am I denigrating them.

Your post suggested that I should condemn the agressors---the purpose of my post was to assure you that I do. I'm not paranoid about gentiles--my point is the opinions expressed by a gentile are commonly called anti-semetism. What you perceive as "tangents" are common issues to continue the conversation and exploration into why there is a rift between the jews and gentiles.

 

[Annie]

Your post suggested that I should condemn the agressors---the purpose of my post was to assure you that I do. I'm not paranoid about gentiles--my point is the opinions expressed by a gentile are commonly called anti-semetism. What you perceive as "tangents" are common issues to continue the conversation and exploration into why there is a rift between the jews and gentiles.

No, my post was in response to yours, dealing with 'what EU' should do. I disagree with your premise in THIS post that opinions expressed by a gentile are commonly called anti-semitism. I am a Gentile, I doubt I'll be accused of anti-semitism.

What you are discussing as 'tangents' is confusing. I don't think what you posted earlier is confusing, but are tangents.

 

[dilloduck]

No, my post was in response to yours, dealing with 'what EU' should do. I disagree with your premise in THIS post that opinions expressed by a gentile are commonly called anti-semitism. I am a Gentile, I doubt I'll be accused of anti-semitism.

What you are discussing as 'tangents' is confusing. I don't think what you posted earlier is confusing, but are tangents.

Of course your opinions aren't labeled anti-semitic. You're consistently pro-semite.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

No, that's today's reality. Just like Bush went to UN over Iraq, knowing nothing would be done, after the French betrayal. Reality sometimes sucks.

I know if I were in Israel, I'd be making plans to get out in the next year or so. I do NOT think US is going to interfer, look at Germany today. No repercussions and much of the world thinks the Jews are just whining pansies.

Really it's the whining PLUS the hypocrisy. Nationalism and a strong religious identity is apparently fine for them, but the rest of us are supposed to feel bad about it for some reason. It's the lying and the intentional paranoic identity manipulation of others that offputs me, though I still support israel.