Voluntary Castration for Violent Rapists and Pedophiles

garyganu

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I have never understood why we don't rehabilitate, "tier three" incurable sexual deviants, with castration. This would include violent rapists and pedophiles who commit rape.

I frequently hear the argument that rape is not a crime of sex, but a crime of violence and control. Experts often say that castration will not prevent offenders from repeating these violent crimes. For example, if castrated, they will just use an object such as a broom stick or beer bottle to carry out a rape.

As a layman that argument seems ridiculous to me and I think that these so called experts are disingenuous. They have convinced gullible people of something that defies my personal experience, reason and common sense. I believe the real reason why "experts" are opposed to castration is because they think it is inhumane punishment. I disagree.

I believe that the main motivating factor for these criminals risking their freedom, their life and their very souls, is an uncontrollable urge and desire, that can only be satisfied one way. I believe that these criminals would welcome a solution to their hellacious dilemma, even before they attacked their first victim. "Tier three" sex offenders are afflicted with an incurable sexual perversion, I think that this is obvious even to the criminal sex offender himself. His uncontrollable desires put him in a lose-lose situation, where he is damned if he does and he is damned if he doesn't. I do not think that anyone would choose to have these unnatural, incurable, criminal desires.

I am sure that some men rape out of a desire to control someone through violence, although not all rapists have that motivation, not even most. Most rapists and pedophiles, commit their crimes out of a twisted sexual fetish that can only be satisfied in a particular way. Just as some men are afflicted with desires for bestiality, necrophilia, addiction to prostitutes, masturbation and pornography. However those disorders do not have the same horrific results that pedophilia and rape do, of course.

When I lived on a farm in Oregon, 25 years ago, we would castrate most of the male calves to make them into steers, rather than letting them grow up as bulls. The castration procedure took about ten seconds, it was done without anesthesia and caused no external bleeding. One reason why we did that was because only a few bulls were needed to impregnate the cows, and the farmer wanted to control the time of year that the cows gave birth. But the main reason was because bulls were very hard to handle, steers were not. As a matter of fact, the bulls were violent and dangerous. They would frequently break out of their corrals, break fences, and even kicked the owner and broke 3 of his ribs on one occasion. Often the reason why the bulls broke out of their enclosures was to have sex with the cows. On the other hand, the steers grew up to be docile, just like the cows and did not need to be confined.

I believe that castration affects a man's tendency toward aggression as well as his sexual urges, just like I witnessed with bulls and steers. In terms of the human experience, statistically, men are ten times more likely to commit murder than women. Women committing rape and pedophilia is almost unheard of. There is a connection between male hormones and violent crimes.

In this day and age of men surgically altering their genitals and taking female hormones, in so called sex-change operations; how could it possibly be considered cruel to castrate a man as a precaution to prevent him from committing horrific sex crimes?

I recommend that all violent, incurable sex offenders be given life imprisonment for their crime. But if they voluntarily choose to be castrated, they will be allowed to make a deal for early release or parole after serving a minimum sentence of 25 years perhaps. Also, I recommend that less violent sex offenders also be offered the option of castration to mitigate their prison sentences. Thirdly, I recommend an aggressive public relations campaign (TV, radio, billboards, etc) to persuade potential sex offenders to voluntarily have themselves castrated. If a person has these abnormal, violent desires, it would be to their own benefit, as well as society at large, if they nipped it in the bud and got themselves castrated, before they offended, or before they get caught.

This would be a win-win situation for society and the offender. Some criminal offenders would be given a second chance without putting society at risk. Other potential predators will nip their desires in the bud, thus protecting themselves from a lifetime in prison, and eternity in hell. At the same time they would be protecting innocent victims from the crimes they will never commit.
 
Rape has nothing to do with sex, it's a sadistic control fixation, it's about power. Castration only makes the perpetrator more violent and typically more sadistic in the pursuit of his power over others.
 
I've worked with sex offenders who are medically castrated.

It doesn't make any difference. Half the time sex offenders can't get it up anyway.
 
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Rape has nothing to do with sex, it's a sadistic control fixation, it's about power. Castration only makes the perpetrator more violent and typically more sadistic in the pursuit of his power over others.

ringel, If rape has nothing do do with sex, why are most all rapists male?

IMO, Rape is the result of an uncontrollable sexual desire that can only be fulfilled by committing rape. Just as pedophilia is an uncontrollable sexual desire that can only be fulfilled by having sex with children.

The urge is so strong that men risk their life and their freedom for it.
 
I've worked with sex offenders who are medically castrated.

It doesn't make any difference. Half the time sex offenders can't get it anyway.

Can't get what?

What is your job?

What kind of sex offenders do you work with and in what capacity?
 
Rape has nothing to do with sex, it's a sadistic control fixation, it's about power. Castration only makes the perpetrator more violent and typically more sadistic in the pursuit of his power over others.

ringel, If rape has nothing do do with sex, why are most all rapists male?

IMO, Rape is the result of an uncontrollable sexual desire that can only be fulfilled by committing rape. Just as pedophilia is an uncontrollable sexual desire that can only be fulfilled by having sex with children.

The urge is so strong that men risk their life and their freedom for it.

Abstract
Accounts from both offenders and victims of what occurs during a rape suggest that issues of power, anger, and sexuality are important in understanding the rapist's behavior. All three issues seem to operate in every rape, but the proportion varies and one issue seems to dominate in each instance. The authors ranked accounts from 133 offenders and 92 victims for the dominant issue and found that the offenses could be categorized as power rape (sexuality used primarily to express power) or anger rape (use of sexuality to express anger). There were no rapes in which sex was the dominant issue; sexuality was always in the service of other, nonsexual needs.

PsychiatryOnline | American Journal of Psychiatry | Rape: power, anger, and sexuality
 
Lol..get it UP, sorry.

I worked as a program manager of group homes for developmentally disabled, mentally ill, and court-mandated DD sex offenders. I ran 4 houses...3 for men, one for women.
 
Rape has nothing to do with sex, it's a sadistic control fixation, it's about power. Castration only makes the perpetrator more violent and typically more sadistic in the pursuit of his power over others.

Yep. It isn't a fetish at all as the OP claims and equal to bestiality, necrophilia, addiction to prostitutes, masturbation and pornography and to equate it to that list, aside from maybe bestiality, is just nuts and lessens the violence and hatred involved in rape.
 
Here's why it also won't work on pedophiles:

Pedophiles appear to have narcissistic and antisocial (psychopathic) traits. They lack compassion for their victims and express no repentance for their actions. They are in denial and, being pathological confabulators, they rationalize their transgressions, claiming that the children were merely being educated for their own good and, anyhow, derived great pleasure from it.

The pedophile treats "his" chosen child as an object, an extension of himself, devoid of a separate existence and denuded of distinct needs. He finds the child's submissiveness and gullibility gratifying. He frowns on any sign of personal autonomy and regards it as a threat. By intimidating, cajoling, charming, and making false promises, the abuser isolates his prey from his family, school, peers, and from the rest of society and, thus, makes the child's dependence on him total.

There's that power key again.

Psychology of the Pedophile
 
Yeah, but some of them are just opportunistic. They don't groom or work on isolation..they just take advantage of any situation that offers itself. They look for those opportunities, they're always prepared to attack...

Those are the ones who appear to attack completely at random...who are often responsible for the completely random attacks/abduction of strange children.
 
No need to castrate pedophiles. They should be shot on sight. Rapist should spend the rest of their lives in jail.
 
Castration doesn't work. Sex crimes have little to do with sex. To the rapist, sex is merely a tool a way to get what they want. What they want isn't sex, it's fear.
 
Chemical castration for pedophiles in Indonesia...
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Indonesia castration law 'will wipe out paedophilia'
Tue, 18 Oct 2016 - Indonesia could "wipe out" paedophilia with its new policy of chemical castration, President Joko Widodo tells the BBC.
He said Indonesia respected human rights but there would be "no compromise" when it came to punishing such sexual crimes. Indonesia passed controversial laws earlier this month authorising chemical castration for paedophiles. The laws were subject to fierce debate in parliament. "Our constitution respects human rights, but when it comes to sexual crimes there is no compromise," President Widodo said. "We are strong and we will be very firm. We will hand out the maximum penalty for sexual crimes."[ He added: "In my opinion… chemical castration, if we enforce it consistently, will reduce sex crimes and wipe them out over time."

In a wide-ranging interview with the BBC's Yalda Hakim, President Widodo - also known as Jokowi - discussed topics including the South China Sea, corruption, a recent tax amnesty and the government's stance on homosexuality. Earlier this month, an advert for a new youth ambassador position stipulated that members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community need not apply. The government advert said the post was only open to applicants not involved in "sexually deviant behaviour". President Widodo said there was no discrimination against minorities, but he added: "We are the world's largest Muslim nation and we have religious norms. You have to remember that and know that. We have social norms."

On the subject of the ongoing maritime rights dispute in the South China Sea, Mr Widodo defended Indonesia's stepped-up military presence around the Natuna Islands. He said the Indonesian military was acting to stop illegal fishing in the area. "This is our natural resources, this is Indonesian wealth. So from now on illegal fishing vessels cannot play around with us," he said. "The second thing is Natuna is our territory. Natuna is in Indonesia. So if we want to do military operations, war games, then it's our right. In terms of sovereignty I will never compromise."

'Harsh and strict'
 
We wouldn't even need to have this conversation if we treated sexual child abuse like murder and lock these fuckers up for life. I don't believe in the sex offender registry because it shouldn't exist! The fact that it exists only underscores the hideous truth that we are deliberately letting these people out of prison and exposing the public to danger. It's unconscionable!

I don't believe in the death penalty, but the reason so many people want it for sexual child abusers is because it's the only thing to stop them if our justice system keeps letting predators loose. Maybe killing them is the right course if we can't do the right thing and lock them up until the end of time.
 
Germany tried castration. It didn't work. They tried chemical castration, that didn't work. If anything, the crimes committed were worse. When possible, the rapist used objects, a fist. Victims were gutted by pulling out their organs.

A lobotomy might work.
 
Germany tried castration. It didn't work. They tried chemical castration, that didn't work. If anything, the crimes committed were worse. When possible, the rapist used objects, a fist. Victims were gutted by pulling out their organs.

A lobotomy might work.
It's like an episode of South Park where all the adults are coming up with complex, ridiculous solutions and ignoring the kids and their simple, common sense solution.

Lock them up forever. There are no youngsters in prison to bugger.
 
I have never understood why we don't rehabilitate, "tier three" incurable sexual deviants, with castration. This would include violent rapists and pedophiles who commit rape.

I frequently hear the argument that rape is not a crime of sex, but a crime of violence and control. Experts often say that castration will not prevent offenders from repeating these violent crimes. For example, if castrated, they will just use an object such as a broom stick or beer bottle to carry out a rape.

As a layman that argument seems ridiculous to me and I think that these so called experts are disingenuous. They have convinced gullible people of something that defies my personal experience, reason and common sense. I believe the real reason why "experts" are opposed to castration is because they think it is inhumane punishment. I disagree.

I believe that the main motivating factor for these criminals risking their freedom, their life and their very souls, is an uncontrollable urge and desire, that can only be satisfied one way. I believe that these criminals would welcome a solution to their hellacious dilemma, even before they attacked their first victim. "Tier three" sex offenders are afflicted with an incurable sexual perversion, I think that this is obvious even to the criminal sex offender himself. His uncontrollable desires put him in a lose-lose situation, where he is damned if he does and he is damned if he doesn't. I do not think that anyone would choose to have these unnatural, incurable, criminal desires.

I am sure that some men rape out of a desire to control someone through violence, although not all rapists have that motivation, not even most. Most rapists and pedophiles, commit their crimes out of a twisted sexual fetish that can only be satisfied in a particular way. Just as some men are afflicted with desires for bestiality, necrophilia, addiction to prostitutes, masturbation and pornography. However those disorders do not have the same horrific results that pedophilia and rape do, of course.

When I lived on a farm in Oregon, 25 years ago, we would castrate most of the male calves to make them into steers, rather than letting them grow up as bulls. The castration procedure took about ten seconds, it was done without anesthesia and caused no external bleeding. One reason why we did that was because only a few bulls were needed to impregnate the cows, and the farmer wanted to control the time of year that the cows gave birth. But the main reason was because bulls were very hard to handle, steers were not. As a matter of fact, the bulls were violent and dangerous. They would frequently break out of their corrals, break fences, and even kicked the owner and broke 3 of his ribs on one occasion. Often the reason why the bulls broke out of their enclosures was to have sex with the cows. On the other hand, the steers grew up to be docile, just like the cows and did not need to be confined.

I believe that castration affects a man's tendency toward aggression as well as his sexual urges, just like I witnessed with bulls and steers. In terms of the human experience, statistically, men are ten times more likely to commit murder than women. Women committing rape and pedophilia is almost unheard of. There is a connection between male hormones and violent crimes.

In this day and age of men surgically altering their genitals and taking female hormones, in so called sex-change operations; how could it possibly be considered cruel to castrate a man as a precaution to prevent him from committing horrific sex crimes?

I recommend that all violent, incurable sex offenders be given life imprisonment for their crime. But if they voluntarily choose to be castrated, they will be allowed to make a deal for early release or parole after serving a minimum sentence of 25 years perhaps. Also, I recommend that less violent sex offenders also be offered the option of castration to mitigate their prison sentences. Thirdly, I recommend an aggressive public relations campaign (TV, radio, billboards, etc) to persuade potential sex offenders to voluntarily have themselves castrated. If a person has these abnormal, violent desires, it would be to their own benefit, as well as society at large, if they nipped it in the bud and got themselves castrated, before they offended, or before they get caught.

This would be a win-win situation for society and the offender. Some criminal offenders would be given a second chance without putting society at risk. Other potential predators will nip their desires in the bud, thus protecting themselves from a lifetime in prison, and eternity in hell. At the same time they would be protecting innocent victims from the crimes they will never commit.

You are violence INCARNATE!
 
Rape has nothing to do with sex, it's a sadistic control fixation, it's about power. Castration only makes the perpetrator more violent and typically more sadistic in the pursuit of his power over others.

ringel, If rape has nothing do do with sex, why are most all rapists male?

IMO, Rape is the result of an uncontrollable sexual desire that can only be fulfilled by committing rape. Just as pedophilia is an uncontrollable sexual desire that can only be fulfilled by having sex with children.

The urge is so strong that men risk their life and their freedom for it.
There you go! You're wrong. It's not an uncontrollable desire to have sex. It's an uncontrollable desire to see fear in the victim's eyes.
 
Chemical castration is a preferable alternative to surgical castration.
 
There you go! You're wrong. It's not an uncontrollable desire to have sex. It's an uncontrollable desire to see fear in the victim's eyes.

Uh, no.

The sexual attraction and the victims suffering are connected. It is classic sadism.
 

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