Vladimir Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist Sta

[francoHFW]

Yup, Cuba's health care is ranked higher than ours, despite costing 1/20th as much.

Hitler sure thought he was German, Mr. Irrelevance lol.

 

[mjollnir]

Really? Germany? The nation which was responsible for World War I, World War II, the Holocaust, the Nazi's, and Adolf Hilter? That's who you're going to point to as proof that people are "content" and that socialized medicine as a success story?

No, you historically pig ignorant fucking tool shed, Germany was not responsible for WW1

Is there anything you're uneducated, ignorant ass can speak intelligently about? Anything? Seriously, anything at all? You don't know the U.S. Constitution. You don't know American history. You don't know world history. Let me guess, daddy was a Sovereign Citizen who took you out of school in the 2nd grade and you've been an illiterate asshole ever since?

World War I (WWI) was a global war centred in Europe that began on 28 July 1914 and lasted until 11 November 1918.

It involved all the world's great powers,[5] which were assembled in two opposing alliances: the Allies (based on the Triple Entente of the United Kingdom, France and Russia) and the Central Powers (originally the Triple Alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy

On 28 July, the conflict opened with the Austro-Hungarian invasion of Serbia,[12][13] followed by the German invasion of Belgium, Luxembourg and France

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

LOL! Your own link disproves your statement.

It must be sad, being such a pathetic gutter whore like you.

Good for a laugh, and a toothless meth blowjob for transients, but that's about it.

 

[Political Junky]

Cuba is a prime example of how great socialized medicine is.

Cuba ranks 39, while the US ranks 37.

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study | Reuters

 

[francoHFW]

Socialized medicine is also the key to an INTELLIGENT state. Everything Lenin and Germany ever thought is not BS, morons. LOL

 

[Doc91678]

The Nazis believed in having a large, strong military. What does that say about modern day Americans who want a large, strong military?

The Nazis were Marxists​

No matter what our tainted academia and corrupt media wihes us to believe Nazis, Bolsheviks, the Ku Klux Klan, radical Isam and Facists all are on the LEFT, something that should be increasingly apparent to Decent, Honorable people of our times. The Big Lie which places Nazis on some mythical Far Right was created specificallyn so that there would be a bogeyman manacled on the wrists and legs of those who wish us to move "Too Far" in the direction of Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater.

The truth about the Nazis was that they were the antithesis of Reagan and Goldwater. Let us consider the original Nazi movement and its evolution. The National Socialist movement began in Austria with Walter Riehl, Rudolf Jung and Hans Knirsch, who were, as M.W. Fodor relates in his book South of Hitler, the three men who founded the National Socialist Party in Austria, and hence indirectly in Germany. In November, 1910, these men launched what they called the Deutschsoziale Arbeiterpartei. That party was successful politically. It established its program at Inglau in 1914.


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[P@triot]

No one is offering proof of anything. Just a little history how a stauch conservative, Bismarck, used socialized medicine to reduce the threat of the socialists in 1890's Germany.
Bismarck simply outsocialized the socialists. So in a way socialized medicine may have began as a conservative program under a conservative. long before Lenin brought it to the USSR. God forbid that a nation has a contented people, next they'll expect to be able to pursue happiness.

People should be "contented" - but it's not the government's job to provide that contentment. Gee, imagine that - what a concept...

So who, in America decide what the government's job is? Yes, yes within the scope of the constitituion? Do we the people through our elections have any bearing on what will be the government's job?

Well, that's what's so sad. It's astounding how many people (on both the right and the left) have NO idea what the roll of our government is.

It's spelled out plain as day. It's just too bad people can't read.

And NO, you do NOT get to decide through "elections" what the government's job will be (well, not constitutionally anyway - sadly people like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid who refuse to even acknowledge, much less adhere to, the Constitution will decide the roll they believe government should play).

 

[P@triot]

Socialized medicine is also the key to an INTELLIGENT state. Everything Lenin and Germany ever thought is not BS, morons. LOL

That doesn't mean a whole lot coming from one of the most UNINTELLIGENT people in USMB history.

You're statement is simply asinine. Communism is about the dumbest thing imaginable, and claiming that parts of it are "intelligent" is just plain stupid.

 

[P@triot]

Cuba is a prime example of how great socialized medicine is.

Cuba ranks 39, while the US ranks 37.

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study | Reuters

I'm so tired of this liberal bullshit propaganda.

The U.S. has the #1 healthcare in the fucking WORLD and that is 100% undeniable.

The "World Health Rankings" take into consideration things that the U.S. healthcare has ZERO control over. Like the fact that we previously prospered because of capitalism, and as such, stuffed our faces at the finest restaurants with the worst foods. Like the fact that we don't exercise enough. Like the fact that we eat McDonald's greasy fries 10x per week because we're in a hurry.

We have people dying of heart disease because of the choices WE make - NOT because of our healthcare system you propaganda spreading misinformation machine....

 

[regent]

People should be "contented" - but it's not the government's job to provide that contentment. Gee, imagine that - what a concept...

So who, in America decide what the government's job is? Yes, yes within the scope of the constitituion? Do we the people through our elections have any bearing on what will be the government's job?

Well, that's what's so sad. It's astounding how many people (on both the right and the left) have NO idea what the roll of our government is.

It's spelled out plain as day. It's just too bad people can't read.

And NO, you do NOT get to decide through "elections" what the government's job will be (well, not constitutionally anyway - sadly people like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid who refuse to even acknowledge, much less adhere to, the Constitution will decide the roll they believe government should play).

Well what of Social Security, was that part of govenment's role? What of Medicare? What of government's role in aiding business or regulating business, government's role or no?

 

[P@triot]

No, you historically pig ignorant fucking tool shed, Germany was not responsible for WW1

Is there anything you're uneducated, ignorant ass can speak intelligently about? Anything? Seriously, anything at all? You don't know the U.S. Constitution. You don't know American history. You don't know world history. Let me guess, daddy was a Sovereign Citizen who took you out of school in the 2nd grade and you've been an illiterate asshole ever since?

World War I (WWI) was a global war centred in Europe that began on 28 July 1914 and lasted until 11 November 1918.

It involved all the world's great powers,[5] which were assembled in two opposing alliances: the Allies (based on the Triple Entente of the United Kingdom, France and Russia) and the Central Powers (originally the Triple Alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy

On 28 July, the conflict opened with the Austro-Hungarian invasion of Serbia,[12][13] followed by the German invasion of Belgium, Luxembourg and France

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

LOL! Your own link disproves your statement.

It must be sad, being such a pathetic gutter whore like you.

Good for a laugh, and a toothless meth blowjob for transients, but that's about it.

Man, you cry so much like a little bitch, I'm surprised you're not hospitalized for dehydration.

What I'm not surprised about, however, is that you can't read...

Sorry Sovereign Citizen asshole, Germany was responsible for World War I, World War II, the Holocaust, the Nazi's, and Adolf Hitler (who you're too stupid to realize Germany was responsible for, regardless of his nationality ).

 

[Doc91678]

No, you historically pig ignorant fucking tool shed, Germany was not responsible for WW1

Is there anything you're uneducated, ignorant ass can speak intelligently about? Anything? Seriously, anything at all? You don't know the U.S. Constitution. You don't know American history. You don't know world history. Let me guess, daddy was a Sovereign Citizen who took you out of school in the 2nd grade and you've been an illiterate asshole ever since?

World War I (WWI) was a global war centred in Europe that began on 28 July 1914 and lasted until 11 November 1918.

It involved all the world's great powers,[5] which were assembled in two opposing alliances: the Allies (based on the Triple Entente of the United Kingdom, France and Russia) and the Central Powers (originally the Triple Alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy

On 28 July, the conflict opened with the Austro-Hungarian invasion of Serbia,[12][13] followed by the German invasion of Belgium, Luxembourg and France

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

LOL! Your own link disproves your statement.

It must be sad, being such a pathetic gutter whore like you.

Good for a laugh, and a toothless meth blowjob for transients, but that's about it.

ap® european history 2011 scoring guidelines - AP Central ...​

Lenin returned to Russia with the aid of the Germans in the midst of World War I.
... Marx asserted that communist revolution would occur first in the most ... more
easily establish a foothold in the “weakest link” of the capitalist system and
subsequently .... a victorious power and was instrumental in exacerbating the
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http://apcentral.collegeboard.com/apc/public/repository/ap11_european_history_q6.pdf - - Cached

 

[P@triot]

So who, in America decide what the government's job is? Yes, yes within the scope of the constitituion? Do we the people through our elections have any bearing on what will be the government's job?

Well, that's what's so sad. It's astounding how many people (on both the right and the left) have NO idea what the roll of our government is.

It's spelled out plain as day. It's just too bad people can't read.

And NO, you do NOT get to decide through "elections" what the government's job will be (well, not constitutionally anyway - sadly people like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid who refuse to even acknowledge, much less adhere to, the Constitution will decide the roll they believe government should play).

Well what of Social Security, was that part of govenment's role? Absolutely not

What of Medicare? Absolutely not

What of government's role in aiding business or regulating business, government's role or no? Unfortunately yes

Hint: go read the Declaration of Independence (it will literally take you 60 seconds). If it doesn't hit you like a freight train (and surprisingly, it doesn't for far too many people), come back and I'll lay it out.

 

[P@triot]

And yet, despite all that, Hitler was not a German.

It's amusing to watch you piss yourself in fear and run from your own words, but it's getting boring.

What country did Hitler convince to make him supreme ruler? Remind me again? Was it the "contented" people of...... of......GERMANY?!?!

With each post, you look like a bigger asshole (and I'm sure a Sovereign Citizen like you smells like one also...).

In your seething anger (which is hilarious that I can get under your skin so easily), you're posting absolute nonsense. When I expose that nonsense (like your idiot belief that somehow Hitler's nationality absolves Germany of his and their sins), you go off the deep end even further. You are in desperate need of professional mental health.

 

[Doc91678]

ObamaCare Vs. LeninCare: U.S. Copies Soviets​

04/13/2012

The Obama Record

The Obama Record: When Vladimir I. Lenin sought to remake Russian society into a "proletariats' paradise," he targeted three sectors for control: health care, banking and education. Sound familiar?

Of these three, however, Lenin viewed socialized medicine as the "keystone" to building his socialist utopia.

The Bolshevik leader told the Russian people everybody would be able to afford going to the doctor, not just the "greedy rich." He also claimed centralized control of the medical industry would "reduce costs" and end the "waste" from "unnecessary duplication and parallelism" in a competitive market.

In 1918, the USSR became the first nation to promise "free" universal health-care coverage. Fifteen years later, major flaws appeared in its grand social experiment, even to Western observers who for the most part romanticized it.

"Monetary motives have almost entirely ceased to operate in medical practice in Soviet Russia," observed a pair of sympathetic physicians from America and Britain who traveled to Russia in 1933.

As a result, "there still exists a great shortage of physicians and hospitals," they wrote in their report, "Red Medicine: Socialized Health in Soviet Russia." "Drugs are almost fabulously dear and scarce."

"Overworked doctors" couldn't handle the flood of new patients. A bloated new medical bureaucracy, led by the People's Commissar of Public Health, only worsened delays in treatment.

"The dissatisfied patients objected to the many formalities before they were allowed to see a doctor at the public clinic, and to the fact that the intervals before they saw him again were excessive," the 1933 report said.

"Other complaints have been of lack of hospital beds when needed."

It was not uncommon for patients to die while waiting in line to be admitted.

Rationing became necessary. Elderly patients were often turned away from care. Death panels appointed by the health commissar decided their fate.

"This committee decides as to patients needing treatment at a rest home or a sanatorium," the Western doctors wrote in their report.

As bad as Soviet medicine was, it was anything but "free."

"Most workers and their families receive free medical treatment as insured persons," the report said. "But the funds for this treatment do not come from insurance funds, but from general taxation."

This is how President Obama intends to pay for his own universal health-care plan, which will subsidize some 28 million uninsured and underinsured Americans through tax hikes on the rich.

In a little-noticed 2009 speech, Obama vowed to demolish "structural inequalities" in America and rebuild the economy on three new "pillars" — socialized medicine, banking and higher education.

"My administration is working hard," he told the NAACP at its 100th anniversary conference in New York, "to lay a new foundation for growth and prosperity that will put opportunity within the reach of not just African-Americans, but all Americans. Of every race. Of every creed. From every region of the country."

Obama continued: "One pillar of this new foundation is health insurance for everybody."

He promised to create a medical system that not only closes "health-care disparities," but "cuts costs and makes quality health coverage affordable for all."

ObamaCare creates some 160 new federal agencies and offices overseen by the Health and Human Services Department, which will control a handful of large insurance companies operating like public utilities.

Like Lenin, Obama plans to ration care, especially for the elderly.

A key part of his massive new health bureaucracy is a Soviet-style panel that has received little press attention — the Independent Payment Advisory Board. IPAB is not a household name. But, barring repeal by a Republican administration, it will be.

IPAB is a rationing body made up of health bureaucrats appointed by Obama.

Unaccountable to Congress, these commissars will make life or death decisions about the care of elderly, such as whether or not to continue dialysis or chemotherapy.

Their cost-saving recommendations, which are binding and cannot be overruled, go into effect starting in 2014. Cutting costs through rationing is now more critical than ever, as ObamaCare is already over budget. In its first decade, it will cost twice as much — more than $2 trillion — as first projected, according to a new Congressional Budget Office study.


Read More At IBD:
Like Lenin, Obama Sees State-Controlled Health Care As Pillar Of New Economic Foundation - Investors.com

 

[regent]

Well, that's what's so sad. It's astounding how many people (on both the right and the left) have NO idea what the roll of our government is.

It's spelled out plain as day. It's just too bad people can't read.

And NO, you do NOT get to decide through "elections" what the government's job will be (well, not constitutionally anyway - sadly people like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid who refuse to even acknowledge, much less adhere to, the Constitution will decide the roll they believe government should play).

Well what of Social Security, was that part of govenment's role? Absolutely not

What of Medicare? Absolutely not

What of government's role in aiding business or regulating business, government's role or no? Unfortunately yes

Hint: go read the Declaration of Independence (it will literally take you 60 seconds). If it doesn't hit you like a freight train (and surprisingly, it doesn't for far too many people), come back and I'll lay it out.

The Declaration of Independence has no legal power in the United States. It was a piece of propaganda written by Jefferson and a committee. But if you want a real question on the Declaration here's one: Locke and others emphasized the life, liberty and propery in their writings. That was a biggie with the liberals of that time. But in the Declaration Jefferson changed it to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why, and Adams, Franklin and the others accepted the change. They changed a lot of Jefferson's words but not that. Then the whole congress accepted it, so why did Jefferson change the word property to pursuit of happiness?

 

[Political Junky]

Cuba is a prime example of how great socialized medicine is.

Cuba ranks 39, while the US ranks 37.

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study | Reuters

I'm so tired of this liberal bullshit propaganda.

The U.S. has the #1 healthcare in the fucking WORLD and that is 100% undeniable.

The "World Health Rankings" take into consideration things that the U.S. healthcare has ZERO control over. Like the fact that we previously prospered because of capitalism, and as such, stuffed our faces at the finest restaurants with the worst foods. Like the fact that we don't exercise enough. Like the fact that we eat McDonald's greasy fries 10x per week because we're in a hurry.

We have people dying of heart disease because of the choices WE make - NOT because of our healthcare system you propaganda spreading misinformation machine....

Do you have a link to anything that would support your opinion?

 

[mjollnir]

And yet, despite all that, Hitler was not a German.

It's amusing to watch you piss yourself in fear and run from your own words, but it's getting boring.

What country did Hitler convince to make him supreme ruler? Remind me again? Was it the "contented" people of...... of......GERMANY?!?!

With each post, you look like a bigger asshole (and I'm sure a Sovereign Citizen like you smells like one also...).

In your seething anger (which is hilarious that I can get under your skin so easily), you're posting absolute nonsense. When I expose that nonsense (like your idiot belief that somehow Hitler's nationality absolves Germany of his and their sins), you go off the deep end even further. You are in desperate need of professional mental health.

Damn. I've never seen someone cop to being such an intellectual coward and ignoramus in the same post.

That must be a record.

Odd that I rile you so profoundly, but explain where, again, did Hitler come from?

And how, exactly, did Germany 'cause' WW1?

Please be very, very specific.

 

[mjollnir]

Is there anything you're uneducated, ignorant ass can speak intelligently about? Anything? Seriously, anything at all? You don't know the U.S. Constitution. You don't know American history. You don't know world history. Let me guess, daddy was a Sovereign Citizen who took you out of school in the 2nd grade and you've been an illiterate asshole ever since?

World War I (WWI) was a global war centred in Europe that began on 28 July 1914 and lasted until 11 November 1918.

It involved all the world's great powers,[5] which were assembled in two opposing alliances: the Allies (based on the Triple Entente of the United Kingdom, France and Russia) and the Central Powers (originally the Triple Alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy

On 28 July, the conflict opened with the Austro-Hungarian invasion of Serbia,[12][13] followed by the German invasion of Belgium, Luxembourg and France

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

LOL! Your own link disproves your statement.

It must be sad, being such a pathetic gutter whore like you.

Good for a laugh, and a toothless meth blowjob for transients, but that's about it.

Man, you cry so much like a little bitch, I'm surprised you're not hospitalized for dehydration.

What I'm not surprised about, however, is that you can't read...

Sorry Sovereign Citizen asshole, Germany was responsible for World War I, World War II, the Holocaust, the Nazi's, and Adolf Hitler (who you're too stupid to realize Germany was responsible for, regardless of his nationality ).

I love how you bow down and worship the fact that your own link made you it's bitch!

Have you ever thought about NOT fisting yourself in public? In front of the newspaper?

 

[P@triot]

Well what of Social Security, was that part of govenment's role? Absolutely not

What of Medicare? Absolutely not

What of government's role in aiding business or regulating business, government's role or no? Unfortunately yes

Hint: go read the Declaration of Independence (it will literally take you 60 seconds). If it doesn't hit you like a freight train (and surprisingly, it doesn't for far too many people), come back and I'll lay it out.

The Declaration of Independence has no legal power in the United States. It was a piece of propaganda written by Jefferson and a committee. But if you want a real question on the Declaration here's one: Locke and others emphasized the life, liberty and propery in their writings. That was a biggie with the liberals of that time. But in the Declaration Jefferson changed it to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why, and Adams, Franklin and the others accepted the change. They changed a lot of Jefferson's words but not that. Then the whole congress accepted it, so why did Jefferson change the word property to pursuit of happiness?

At no point did I ever claim the Declaration of Independence had "legal power" on any level. What it does do, however, is lay out WHY our founding fathers were implementing a government.

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

(In other words, if it becomes necessary for people to succeed, it is only right that they declare WHY they are succeeding)

“We hold these truths to be self-evident (in other words, it's so obvious, it does not require an explanation of any kind), that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator (in other words, that they are granted by GOD) with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men (in other words, the government has been established to secure your rights from GOD), deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”

You're rights (life, liberty, etc.) come from GOD, and the roll of government is to SECURE THOSE RIGHTS. Not to provide for you. Not to make you happy. Not to ensure you have wealth. Not to ban guns. It is to SECURE your RIGHTS from GOD.

If only American's could read, uh?

*Excerpt From: States, United. “United States Declaration of Independence.” iBooks. This material may be protected by copyright.

 

[grunt11b]

AMA propaganda from the '60s (especially when dutifully delivered by stooges like Reagan) is pretty entertaining.

If you say so.