Violent crime on London "Tubes" up 45% over the last 3 years....but they banned guns?

Nope.....we have more than enough control over guns, what we lack is control over gun criminals. This problem stems from our democrat party......they release violent, repeat gun offenders, the ones doing the shooting, over and over again.

Really? So do Republican controlled cities by the looks of things, cities like Jackson, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, Cincinnati, Dayton, Kansas, etc all have higher homicide rates than Chicago according to this article in 2016. Meet the Republicans representing cities with a higher murder rate than Chicago

And of course, they used suicides to get that number up....a dishonest action on their part to push their anti-self defense agenda.....

Suicide with a gun is a valid form of gun violence. Suicide is a mental health issue, remove guns and it makes it harder to kill yourself, giving you or your fasmilly time to seek help.

Here is the true measure...more Americans own and carry guns, while our crime rates drop.

Do they?

"According to our partners at USAFacts, a non-partisan, not-for-profit civic initiative aimed at making government data accessible and understandable, reported violent crime in the U.S. rose in both 2015 and 2016 (the most recent year for which comprehensive data are available). Violent crime includes aggravated assault, robbery, murder, non-negligent manslaughter, and rape.

Aggravated assault is the most common crime, with a rate nearly five times higher than murder and non-negligent manslaughter. Robberies and assaults have greatly decreased since the early 1990s, while the murder rate has not changed significantly since 1980, according to USAFacts.

The rate of reported rapes had also been holding steady since 1980, but preliminary data indicate that it went up in 2017."
U.S. Violent Crime on the Rise: Where and Why

You really should catch up to the fake research before you post.....

Oh good grief, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, another "unbiased" source? Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia

"Kellerman's study was peer reviewed and found to be accurate. Kellermann is known for his research on the epidemiology of firearm-related injuries and deaths in the US. In a 1995 interview, Kellermann said he saw firearm injuries not as random, unavoidable acts but as preventable public health priority.[6] Kellermann's studies, which indicate an increased risk of mortality associated with gun ownership, have been disputed by gun rights organizations, in particular by the National Rifle Association; although Kellermann's findings have been supported by a large body of peer-reviewed research finding that increasing gun ownership is associated with increased rates of homicide and violence.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann



You can keep pushing the lie, but the internet shows it is a lie....

Congress Quashed Research Into Gun Violence. Since Then, 600,000 People Have Been Shot.

Yes.....they went to all the work of getting a permit to carry a gun, just to not carry a gun......this kind of thinking is how you lost your Empire.....

I have a private pilot's licence but I don't own an aircraft, many people have driver's licences but don't own cars. Gun permit holders may have sold their guns but still have a permit, that's your problem over there, you just don't know how many people own guns, and people are killed as a result.


Congress did not quash anything...as the two studies I listed show....and those aren't the only ones if you go through the CDC research list......which you didn't do...

This is some gun research from the CDC in 2006....

Violence-Related Firearm Deaths Among Residents of Metropolitan Areas and Cities --- United States, 2006--2007

And this one....

Source of Firearms Used by Students in School-Associated Violent Deaths --- United States, 1992--1999

And this one....

http://www.thecommunityguide.org/violence/viol-AJPM-evrev-firearms-law.pdf

And this one....

Surveillance for Fatal and Nonfatal Firearm-Related Injuries --- United States, 1993--1998

And this one....

Firearm Homicides and Suicides in Major Metropolitan Areas — United States, 2006–2007 and 2009–2010

And this one...

Indoor Firing Ranges and Elevated Blood Lead Levels — United States, 2002–2013

And this one....

Rates of Homicide, Suicide, and Firearm-Related Death Among Children -- 26 Industrialized Countries


Obama CDC Study: Silencers Best Option for Noise Reduction at Gun Ranges - The Truth About Guns

The CDC looked at a number of different solutions to reduce the exposure to the hazardous noise levels in shooting ranges and arrived at the same solution as every other logical gun owner: silencers.
The only potentially effective noise control method to reduce students’ or instructors’ noise exposure from gunfire is through the use of noise suppressors that can be attached to the end of the gun barrel. However, some states do not permit civilians to use suppressors on firearms.
Some gun control activists claim that noise on shooting ranges isn’t a health issue. The CDC says otherwise, and the report is right here in black and white. Are these luddites going to argue with science?


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When Gun Violence Felt Like a Disease, a City in Delaware Turned to the C.D.C.

When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.



They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
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The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.

“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,” the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

Researchers analyzed data on 569 people charged with firearm crimes from 2009 to May 21, 2014, and looked for certain risk factors in their lives, such as whether they had been unemployed, had received help from assistance programs, had been possible victims of child abuse, or had been shot or stabbed. The idea was to show that linking such data could create a better understanding of who might need help before becoming involved in violence.


No, The Government Is Not 'Banned' From Studying Gun Violence

Absolutely nothing in the amendment prohibits the CDC from studying “gun violence,” even if this narrowly focused topic tells us little. In response to this inconvenient fact, gun controllers will explain that while there isn’t an outright ban, the Dickey amendment has a “chilling” effect on the study of gun violence.


Does it? Pointing out that “research plummeted after the 1996 ban” could just as easily tell us that most research funded by the CDC had been politically motivated. Because the idea that the CDC, whose spectacular mission creep has taken it from its primary goal of preventing malaria and other dangerous communicable diseases, to spending hundreds of millions of dollars nagging you about how much salt you put on your steaks or how often you do calisthenics, is nervous about the repercussions of engaging in non-partisan research is hard to believe.

Also unlikely is the notion that a $2.6 million cut in funding so horrified the agency that it was rendered powerless to pay for or conduct studies on gun violence. The CDC funding tripled from 1996 to 2010. The CDC’s budget is over six billion dollars today.

And the idea that the CDC was paralyzed through two-years of full Democratic Party control, and then six years under a president who was more antagonistic towards the Second Amendment than any other in history, is difficult to believe, because it’s provably false.

In 2013, President Barack Obama not only signed an Executive Order directing the CDC to research “gun violence,” the administration also provided an additional $10 million to do it. Here is the study on gun violence that was supposedly banned and yet funded by the CDC. You might not have heard about the resulting research, because it contains numerous inconvenient facts about gun ownership that fails to propel the predetermined narrative. Trump’s HHS Secretary Alex Azar is also open to the idea of funding more gun violence research.

It’s not banned. It’s not chilled.

Meanwhile, numerous states and private entities fund peer-reviewed studies and other research on gun violence. I know this because gun control advocates are constantly sending me studies that distort and conflate issues to help them make their arguments. My inbox is bombarded with studies and conferences and “webinars” dissecting gun violence.

The real problem here is two-fold. One, researchers want the CDC involved so they can access government data about American gun owners. Considering the rhetoric coming from Democrats — gun ownership being tantamount to terrorism, and so on — there’s absolutely no reason Republicans should acquiesce to helping gun controllers circumvent the privacy of Americans citizens peacefully practicing their Constitutional rights.

Second, gun control advocates want to lift the ban on politically skewed research because they’re interested in producing politically skewed research. When the American Medical Association declares gun violence a “public health crisis,” it’s not interested in a balance look at the issue. When researchers advocate lifting the restrictions on advocacy at the CDC, they don’t even pretend they not to hold pre-conceived notions about the outcomes.

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There’s no reason to allow activists — then or now — to use the veneer of state-sanctioned science for their partisan purposes. For example, we now know that Rosenberg and others at the CDC turned out to be wrong about the correlation between guns and crime — a steep drop in gun crimes coincided with the explosions of gun ownership from 1996 to 2014.
 
Nope.....we have more than enough control over guns, what we lack is control over gun criminals. This problem stems from our democrat party......they release violent, repeat gun offenders, the ones doing the shooting, over and over again.

Really? So do Republican controlled cities by the looks of things, cities like Jackson, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, Cincinnati, Dayton, Kansas, etc all have higher homicide rates than Chicago according to this article in 2016. Meet the Republicans representing cities with a higher murder rate than Chicago

And of course, they used suicides to get that number up....a dishonest action on their part to push their anti-self defense agenda.....

Suicide with a gun is a valid form of gun violence. Suicide is a mental health issue, remove guns and it makes it harder to kill yourself, giving you or your fasmilly time to seek help.

Here is the true measure...more Americans own and carry guns, while our crime rates drop.

Do they?

"According to our partners at USAFacts, a non-partisan, not-for-profit civic initiative aimed at making government data accessible and understandable, reported violent crime in the U.S. rose in both 2015 and 2016 (the most recent year for which comprehensive data are available). Violent crime includes aggravated assault, robbery, murder, non-negligent manslaughter, and rape.

Aggravated assault is the most common crime, with a rate nearly five times higher than murder and non-negligent manslaughter. Robberies and assaults have greatly decreased since the early 1990s, while the murder rate has not changed significantly since 1980, according to USAFacts.

The rate of reported rapes had also been holding steady since 1980, but preliminary data indicate that it went up in 2017."
U.S. Violent Crime on the Rise: Where and Why

You really should catch up to the fake research before you post.....

Oh good grief, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, another "unbiased" source? Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia

"Kellerman's study was peer reviewed and found to be accurate. Kellermann is known for his research on the epidemiology of firearm-related injuries and deaths in the US. In a 1995 interview, Kellermann said he saw firearm injuries not as random, unavoidable acts but as preventable public health priority.[6] Kellermann's studies, which indicate an increased risk of mortality associated with gun ownership, have been disputed by gun rights organizations, in particular by the National Rifle Association; although Kellermann's findings have been supported by a large body of peer-reviewed research finding that increasing gun ownership is associated with increased rates of homicide and violence.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann



You can keep pushing the lie, but the internet shows it is a lie....

Congress Quashed Research Into Gun Violence. Since Then, 600,000 People Have Been Shot.

Yes.....they went to all the work of getting a permit to carry a gun, just to not carry a gun......this kind of thinking is how you lost your Empire.....

I have a private pilot's licence but I don't own an aircraft, many people have driver's licences but don't own cars. Gun permit holders may have sold their guns but still have a permit, that's your problem over there, you just don't know how many people own guns, and people are killed as a result.


No...people are killed as a result of democrat party control major cities, where they allow repeat, violent criminals out of jail in order to appease a politically correct philosophy of criminal justice.......
 
Nope.....we have more than enough control over guns, what we lack is control over gun criminals. This problem stems from our democrat party......they release violent, repeat gun offenders, the ones doing the shooting, over and over again.

Really? So do Republican controlled cities by the looks of things, cities like Jackson, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, Cincinnati, Dayton, Kansas, etc all have higher homicide rates than Chicago according to this article in 2016. Meet the Republicans representing cities with a higher murder rate than Chicago

And of course, they used suicides to get that number up....a dishonest action on their part to push their anti-self defense agenda.....

Suicide with a gun is a valid form of gun violence. Suicide is a mental health issue, remove guns and it makes it harder to kill yourself, giving you or your fasmilly time to seek help.

Here is the true measure...more Americans own and carry guns, while our crime rates drop.

Do they?

"According to our partners at USAFacts, a non-partisan, not-for-profit civic initiative aimed at making government data accessible and understandable, reported violent crime in the U.S. rose in both 2015 and 2016 (the most recent year for which comprehensive data are available). Violent crime includes aggravated assault, robbery, murder, non-negligent manslaughter, and rape.

Aggravated assault is the most common crime, with a rate nearly five times higher than murder and non-negligent manslaughter. Robberies and assaults have greatly decreased since the early 1990s, while the murder rate has not changed significantly since 1980, according to USAFacts.

The rate of reported rapes had also been holding steady since 1980, but preliminary data indicate that it went up in 2017."
U.S. Violent Crime on the Rise: Where and Why

You really should catch up to the fake research before you post.....

Oh good grief, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, another "unbiased" source? Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia

"Kellerman's study was peer reviewed and found to be accurate. Kellermann is known for his research on the epidemiology of firearm-related injuries and deaths in the US. In a 1995 interview, Kellermann said he saw firearm injuries not as random, unavoidable acts but as preventable public health priority.[6] Kellermann's studies, which indicate an increased risk of mortality associated with gun ownership, have been disputed by gun rights organizations, in particular by the National Rifle Association; although Kellermann's findings have been supported by a large body of peer-reviewed research finding that increasing gun ownership is associated with increased rates of homicide and violence.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann



You can keep pushing the lie, but the internet shows it is a lie....

Congress Quashed Research Into Gun Violence. Since Then, 600,000 People Have Been Shot.

Yes.....they went to all the work of getting a permit to carry a gun, just to not carry a gun......this kind of thinking is how you lost your Empire.....

I have a private pilot's licence but I don't own an aircraft, many people have driver's licences but don't own cars. Gun permit holders may have sold their guns but still have a permit, that's your problem over there, you just don't know how many people own guns, and people are killed as a result.


You actually didn't look at any of the cities you named....

Kansas City, Missouri, democrat party control except for one Republican, going back to 1931....
 
Nope.....we have more than enough control over guns, what we lack is control over gun criminals. This problem stems from our democrat party......they release violent, repeat gun offenders, the ones doing the shooting, over and over again.

Really? So do Republican controlled cities by the looks of things, cities like Jackson, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, Cincinnati, Dayton, Kansas, etc all have higher homicide rates than Chicago according to this article in 2016. Meet the Republicans representing cities with a higher murder rate than Chicago

And of course, they used suicides to get that number up....a dishonest action on their part to push their anti-self defense agenda.....

Suicide with a gun is a valid form of gun violence. Suicide is a mental health issue, remove guns and it makes it harder to kill yourself, giving you or your fasmilly time to seek help.

Here is the true measure...more Americans own and carry guns, while our crime rates drop.

Do they?

"According to our partners at USAFacts, a non-partisan, not-for-profit civic initiative aimed at making government data accessible and understandable, reported violent crime in the U.S. rose in both 2015 and 2016 (the most recent year for which comprehensive data are available). Violent crime includes aggravated assault, robbery, murder, non-negligent manslaughter, and rape.

Aggravated assault is the most common crime, with a rate nearly five times higher than murder and non-negligent manslaughter. Robberies and assaults have greatly decreased since the early 1990s, while the murder rate has not changed significantly since 1980, according to USAFacts.

The rate of reported rapes had also been holding steady since 1980, but preliminary data indicate that it went up in 2017."
U.S. Violent Crime on the Rise: Where and Why

You really should catch up to the fake research before you post.....

Oh good grief, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, another "unbiased" source? Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia

"Kellerman's study was peer reviewed and found to be accurate. Kellermann is known for his research on the epidemiology of firearm-related injuries and deaths in the US. In a 1995 interview, Kellermann said he saw firearm injuries not as random, unavoidable acts but as preventable public health priority.[6] Kellermann's studies, which indicate an increased risk of mortality associated with gun ownership, have been disputed by gun rights organizations, in particular by the National Rifle Association; although Kellermann's findings have been supported by a large body of peer-reviewed research finding that increasing gun ownership is associated with increased rates of homicide and violence.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann



You can keep pushing the lie, but the internet shows it is a lie....

Congress Quashed Research Into Gun Violence. Since Then, 600,000 People Have Been Shot.

Yes.....they went to all the work of getting a permit to carry a gun, just to not carry a gun......this kind of thinking is how you lost your Empire.....

I have a private pilot's licence but I don't own an aircraft, many people have driver's licences but don't own cars. Gun permit holders may have sold their guns but still have a permit, that's your problem over there, you just don't know how many people own guns, and people are killed as a result.


Moron, the majority of those high gun crime cities are controlled by democrats........you doofus....
 
Nope.....we have more than enough control over guns, what we lack is control over gun criminals. This problem stems from our democrat party......they release violent, repeat gun offenders, the ones doing the shooting, over and over again.

Really? So do Republican controlled cities by the looks of things, cities like Jackson, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, Cincinnati, Dayton, Kansas, etc all have higher homicide rates than Chicago according to this article in 2016. Meet the Republicans representing cities with a higher murder rate than Chicago

And of course, they used suicides to get that number up....a dishonest action on their part to push their anti-self defense agenda.....

Suicide with a gun is a valid form of gun violence. Suicide is a mental health issue, remove guns and it makes it harder to kill yourself, giving you or your fasmilly time to seek help.

Here is the true measure...more Americans own and carry guns, while our crime rates drop.

Do they?

"According to our partners at USAFacts, a non-partisan, not-for-profit civic initiative aimed at making government data accessible and understandable, reported violent crime in the U.S. rose in both 2015 and 2016 (the most recent year for which comprehensive data are available). Violent crime includes aggravated assault, robbery, murder, non-negligent manslaughter, and rape.

Aggravated assault is the most common crime, with a rate nearly five times higher than murder and non-negligent manslaughter. Robberies and assaults have greatly decreased since the early 1990s, while the murder rate has not changed significantly since 1980, according to USAFacts.

The rate of reported rapes had also been holding steady since 1980, but preliminary data indicate that it went up in 2017."
U.S. Violent Crime on the Rise: Where and Why

You really should catch up to the fake research before you post.....

Oh good grief, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, another "unbiased" source? Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia

"Kellerman's study was peer reviewed and found to be accurate. Kellermann is known for his research on the epidemiology of firearm-related injuries and deaths in the US. In a 1995 interview, Kellermann said he saw firearm injuries not as random, unavoidable acts but as preventable public health priority.[6] Kellermann's studies, which indicate an increased risk of mortality associated with gun ownership, have been disputed by gun rights organizations, in particular by the National Rifle Association; although Kellermann's findings have been supported by a large body of peer-reviewed research finding that increasing gun ownership is associated with increased rates of homicide and violence.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann



You can keep pushing the lie, but the internet shows it is a lie....

Congress Quashed Research Into Gun Violence. Since Then, 600,000 People Have Been Shot.

Yes.....they went to all the work of getting a permit to carry a gun, just to not carry a gun......this kind of thinking is how you lost your Empire.....

I have a private pilot's licence but I don't own an aircraft, many people have driver's licences but don't own cars. Gun permit holders may have sold their guns but still have a permit, that's your problem over there, you just don't know how many people own guns, and people are killed as a result.

I showed you the actual research where Kellerman changed his number....I showed you the peer reviewed critique of his research that led him to change his number from 43%, to 2.7 percent......here it is again...

First.....the study he did to correct the 43% number...

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

After controlling for these characteristics, we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7;

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Nine Myths Of Gun Control

Myth #6 "A homeowner is 43 times as likely to be killed or kill a family member as an intruder"

To suggest that science has proven that defending oneself or one's family with a gun is dangerous, gun prohibitionists repeat Dr. Kellermann's long discredited claim: "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder." [17] This fallacy , fabricated using tax dollars, is one of the most misused slogans of the anti-self-defense lobby.

The honest measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected not Kellermann's burglar or rapist body count.

Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator. [3]

Any study, such as Kellermann' "43 times" fallacy, that only counts bodies will expectedly underestimate the benefits of gun a thousand fold.

Think for a minute. Would anyone suggest that the only measure of the benefit of law enforcement is the number of people killed by police? Of course not. The honest measure of the benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved by deaths and injuries averted, and the property protected. 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun. [2]

Kellermann recently downgraded his estimate to "2.7 times," [18] but he persisted in discredited methodology. He used a method that cannot distinguish between "cause" and "effect." His method would be like finding more diet drinks in the refrigerators of fat people and then concluding that diet drinks "cause" obesity.


Also, he studied groups with high rates of violent criminality, alcoholism, drug addiction, abject poverty, and domestic abuse .


From such a poor and violent study group he attempted to generalize his findings to normal homes

Interestingly, when Dr. Kellermann was interviewed he stated that, if his wife were attacked, he would want her to have a gun for protection.[19] Apparently, Dr. Kellermann doesn't even believe his own studies.


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Public Health and Gun Control: A Review



Since at least the mid-1980s, Dr. Kellermann (and associates), whose work had been heavily-funded by the CDC, published a series of studies purporting to show that persons who keep guns in the home are more likely to be victims of homicide than those who don¹t.

In a 1986 NEJM paper, Dr. Kellermann and associates, for example, claimed their "scientific research" proved that defending oneself or one¹s family with a firearm in the home is dangerous and counter productive, claiming "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder."8

In a critical review and now classic article published in the March 1994 issue of the Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia (JMAG), Dr. Edgar Suter, Chairman of Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research (DIPR), found evidence of "methodologic and conceptual errors," such as prejudicially truncated data and the listing of "the correct methodology which was described but never used by the authors."5

Moreover, the gun control researchers failed to consider and underestimated the protective benefits of guns.

Dr. Suter writes: "The true measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives and medical costs saved, the injuries prevented, and the property protected ‹ not the burglar or rapist body count.

Since only 0.1 - 0.2 percent of defensive uses of guns involve the death of the criminal, any study, such as this, that counts criminal deaths as the only measure of the protective benefits of guns will expectedly underestimate the benefits of firearms by a factor of 500 to 1,000."5

In 1993, in his landmark and much cited NEJM article (and the research, again, heavily funded by the CDC), Dr. Kellermann attempted to show again that guns in the home are a greater risk to the victims than to the assailants.4 Despite valid criticisms by reputable scholars of his previous works (including the 1986 study), Dr. Kellermann ignored the criticisms and again used the same methodology.

He also used study populations with disproportionately high rates of serious psychosocial dysfunction from three selected state counties, known to be unrepresentative of the general U.S. population.

For example,

53 percent of the case subjects had a history of a household member being arrested,

31 percent had a household history of illicit drug use, 32 percent had a household member hit or hurt in a family fight, and

17 percent had a family member hurt so seriously in a domestic altercation that prompt medical attention was required.
Moreover, both the case studies and control groups in this analysis had a very high incidence of financial instability.

In fact, in this study, gun ownership, the supposedly high risk factor for homicide was not one of the most strongly associated factors for being murdered.

Drinking, illicit drugs, living alone, history of family violence, living in a rented home were all greater individual risk factors for being murdered than a gun in the home. One must conclude there is no basis to apply the conclusions of this study to the general population.

All of these are factors that, as Dr. Suter pointed out, "would expectedly be associated with higher rates of violence and homicide."5

It goes without saying, the results of such a study on gun homicides, selecting this sort of unrepresentative population sample, nullify the authors' generalizations, and their preordained, conclusions can not be extrapolated to the general population.

Moreover, although the 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study purported to show that the homicide victims were killed with a gun ordinarily kept in the home, the fact is that as Kates and associates point out 71.1 percent of the victims were killed by assailants who did not live in the victims¹ household using guns presumably not kept in that home.6

The Fallacy of "43 to 1"

The source of the 43-to-1 ratio is a study of firearm deaths in Seattle homes, conducted by doctors Arthur L. Kellermann and Donald T. Reay ("Protection or Peril?: An Analysis of Firearm-Related Deaths in the Home," New England Journal of Medicine, 1986). Kellerman and Reay totaled up the numbers of firearms murders, suicides, and fatal accidents, and then compared that number to the number of firearm deaths that were classified as justifiable homicides. The ratio of murder, suicide, and accidental death to the justifiable homicides was 43 to 1.

This is what the anti-gun lobbies call "scientific" proof that people (except government employees and security guards) should not have guns.

Of the gun deaths in the home, the vast majority are suicides. In the 43-to-1 figure, suicides account for nearly all the 43 unjustifiable deaths.
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So by counting accidents and suicides, the 43-to-1 factoid ends up including a very large number of fatalities that would have occurred anyway, even if there were no gun in the home.

Now, how about the self-defense homicides, which Kellermann and Reay found to be so rare? Well, the reason that they found such a low total was that they excluded many cases of lawful self-defense. Kellermann and Reay did not count in the self-defense total of any of the cases where a person who had shot an attacker was acquitted on grounds of self-defense, or cases where a conviction was reversed on appeal on grounds related to self-defense. Yet 40% of women who appeal their murder convictions have the conviction reversed on appeal. ("Fighting Back," Time, Jan. 18, 1993.)

In short, the 43-to-1 figure is based on the totally implausible assumption that all the people who die in gun suicides and gun accidents would not kill themselves with something else if guns were unavailable. The figure is also based on a drastic undercount of the number of lawful self-defense homicides.

Moreover, counting dead criminals to measure the efficacy of civilian handgun ownership is ridiculous. Do we measure the efficacy of our police forces by counting how many people the police lawfully kill every year? The benefits of the police — and of home handgun ownership — are not measured by the number of dead criminals, but by the number of crimes prevented. Simplistic counting of corpses tells us nothing about the real safety value of gun ownership for protection.
Would that be the same Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research that was created and funded by the NRA in 1995, specifically to lobby for the elimination of the CDC's firearms research program? Disarmed
 
Nope.....we have more than enough control over guns, what we lack is control over gun criminals. This problem stems from our democrat party......they release violent, repeat gun offenders, the ones doing the shooting, over and over again.

Really? So do Republican controlled cities by the looks of things, cities like Jackson, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, Cincinnati, Dayton, Kansas, etc all have higher homicide rates than Chicago according to this article in 2016. Meet the Republicans representing cities with a higher murder rate than Chicago

And of course, they used suicides to get that number up....a dishonest action on their part to push their anti-self defense agenda.....

Suicide with a gun is a valid form of gun violence. Suicide is a mental health issue, remove guns and it makes it harder to kill yourself, giving you or your fasmilly time to seek help.

Here is the true measure...more Americans own and carry guns, while our crime rates drop.

Do they?

"According to our partners at USAFacts, a non-partisan, not-for-profit civic initiative aimed at making government data accessible and understandable, reported violent crime in the U.S. rose in both 2015 and 2016 (the most recent year for which comprehensive data are available). Violent crime includes aggravated assault, robbery, murder, non-negligent manslaughter, and rape.

Aggravated assault is the most common crime, with a rate nearly five times higher than murder and non-negligent manslaughter. Robberies and assaults have greatly decreased since the early 1990s, while the murder rate has not changed significantly since 1980, according to USAFacts.

The rate of reported rapes had also been holding steady since 1980, but preliminary data indicate that it went up in 2017."
U.S. Violent Crime on the Rise: Where and Why

You really should catch up to the fake research before you post.....

Oh good grief, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, another "unbiased" source? Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia

"Kellerman's study was peer reviewed and found to be accurate. Kellermann is known for his research on the epidemiology of firearm-related injuries and deaths in the US. In a 1995 interview, Kellermann said he saw firearm injuries not as random, unavoidable acts but as preventable public health priority.[6] Kellermann's studies, which indicate an increased risk of mortality associated with gun ownership, have been disputed by gun rights organizations, in particular by the National Rifle Association; although Kellermann's findings have been supported by a large body of peer-reviewed research finding that increasing gun ownership is associated with increased rates of homicide and violence.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann



You can keep pushing the lie, but the internet shows it is a lie....

Congress Quashed Research Into Gun Violence. Since Then, 600,000 People Have Been Shot.

Yes.....they went to all the work of getting a permit to carry a gun, just to not carry a gun......this kind of thinking is how you lost your Empire.....

I have a private pilot's licence but I don't own an aircraft, many people have driver's licences but don't own cars. Gun permit holders may have sold their guns but still have a permit, that's your problem over there, you just don't know how many people own guns, and people are killed as a result.


You actually didn't look at any of the cities you named....

Kansas City, Missouri, democrat party control except for one Republican, going back to 1931....
I didn't name them, I just quoted the article Meet the Republicans representing cities with a higher murder rate than Chicago
 
Obama CDC Study: Silencers Best Option for Noise Reduction at Gun Ranges - The Truth About Guns

The CDC looked at a number of different solutions to reduce the exposure to the hazardous noise levels in shooting ranges and arrived at the same solution as every other logical gun owner: silencers.
The only potentially effective noise control method to reduce students’ or instructors’ noise exposure from gunfire is through the use of noise suppressors that can be attached to the end of the gun barrel. However, some states do not permit civilians to use suppressors on firearms.

I love this, if this is true then someone at the CDC was having a laugh at the expense of gun nuts. "Silencers make gunshots quieter" Priceless...:lmao::lmao:I'll read through the other links and get back to you.
 
Nope.....we have more than enough control over guns, what we lack is control over gun criminals. This problem stems from our democrat party......they release violent, repeat gun offenders, the ones doing the shooting, over and over again.

Really? So do Republican controlled cities by the looks of things, cities like Jackson, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, Cincinnati, Dayton, Kansas, etc all have higher homicide rates than Chicago according to this article in 2016. Meet the Republicans representing cities with a higher murder rate than Chicago

And of course, they used suicides to get that number up....a dishonest action on their part to push their anti-self defense agenda.....

Suicide with a gun is a valid form of gun violence. Suicide is a mental health issue, remove guns and it makes it harder to kill yourself, giving you or your fasmilly time to seek help.

Here is the true measure...more Americans own and carry guns, while our crime rates drop.

Do they?

"According to our partners at USAFacts, a non-partisan, not-for-profit civic initiative aimed at making government data accessible and understandable, reported violent crime in the U.S. rose in both 2015 and 2016 (the most recent year for which comprehensive data are available). Violent crime includes aggravated assault, robbery, murder, non-negligent manslaughter, and rape.

Aggravated assault is the most common crime, with a rate nearly five times higher than murder and non-negligent manslaughter. Robberies and assaults have greatly decreased since the early 1990s, while the murder rate has not changed significantly since 1980, according to USAFacts.

The rate of reported rapes had also been holding steady since 1980, but preliminary data indicate that it went up in 2017."
U.S. Violent Crime on the Rise: Where and Why

You really should catch up to the fake research before you post.....

Oh good grief, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, another "unbiased" source? Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia

"Kellerman's study was peer reviewed and found to be accurate. Kellermann is known for his research on the epidemiology of firearm-related injuries and deaths in the US. In a 1995 interview, Kellermann said he saw firearm injuries not as random, unavoidable acts but as preventable public health priority.[6] Kellermann's studies, which indicate an increased risk of mortality associated with gun ownership, have been disputed by gun rights organizations, in particular by the National Rifle Association; although Kellermann's findings have been supported by a large body of peer-reviewed research finding that increasing gun ownership is associated with increased rates of homicide and violence.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann



You can keep pushing the lie, but the internet shows it is a lie....

Congress Quashed Research Into Gun Violence. Since Then, 600,000 People Have Been Shot.

Yes.....they went to all the work of getting a permit to carry a gun, just to not carry a gun......this kind of thinking is how you lost your Empire.....

I have a private pilot's licence but I don't own an aircraft, many people have driver's licences but don't own cars. Gun permit holders may have sold their guns but still have a permit, that's your problem over there, you just don't know how many people own guns, and people are killed as a result.


You actually didn't look at any of the cities you named....

Kansas City, Missouri, democrat party control except for one Republican, going back to 1931....
I didn't name them, I just quoted the article Meet the Republicans representing cities with a higher murder rate than Chicago


And you were wrong.....but thanks for playing, since almost all of the cities in that article are controlled by the democrat party. They are the ones letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail, and out of prison over and over again.....and then blame normal, law abiding citizens for gun crime.....we have a democrat party problem, not a gun problem. But don't worry, you are on the way to having the exact same problem....
 

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