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You call defending yourself when attacked "unnecessary"?Once again you take the simplistic approach we used in Vietnam that whoever killed more of the other guy wins.Apparently you can't read either. My earlier post:MacArthurs arrogance screwed the pooch in Korea just like it did in the Philippines. Nobody could tell MacArthur anything.For a while till MacArther out flanked the assholes and was kicking their asses right back across the border until a democommie asshole of a president pulled him up short and fired him.Damn boy, are you ever ignorant of history.f the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
That is what Gen MacArthur said.
In a matter of about a month, his forces swept north of the 39 th parallel and chased the N Koreans all the way to the Yalu River.
That is when the Chinese forces came in and swarmed our unsuspecting forces and drove us back south of the 39th parallel. Ended up killing 50,000 American forces.
We wanted to avoid the same mistake in Vietnam
Which is only because they retreated. If you follow up on what happened after this, every time the UN forces stood their ground, and fought, they slaughtered the Chinese.
Especially the Chinese of army of the 1950s, was in fact a peasant army. They were not hardly trained at all.
The Chinese forces overwhelmed us. We ran for our lives
If we had let Patton have his way the USSR wouldn't have existed for long and if we'd let Mcarthur have his way Red China would have been a long forgotten footnote by now too. Both were stopped by a democommie asshole excuse for a president, Truman who was afraid of his own shadow.
He was warned that his invasion of the north would draw in China. He laughed at the threat and laughed at China. His arrogance cost the US 50,000 lives
Truman should have fired him sooner
US Deaths:
Hostile: 33,739
Non-Hostile: 2,835
Total In-Theatre: 36,574
US Wounded in Action - 103,284
Other Casualties by Country (killed and missing)
Source: Encyclopedia Britannica
South Korea - (217,000 military, 1,000,000 civilian)
North Korea - (406,000 military, 600,000 civilian)
China - (600,000 military)
If you could read you might note that: USA KIA's= 33,739
North Korea KIA's=406,000
China KIA's =600,000
Find someone to do the math but we clearly kicked some serious ass and that without nukes which we would have been more than justified to use.
In Vietnam we killed and captured a few hundred more Chinese without even bothering to go looking for them. They just weren't ready to face those kind of losses again.
It was MacArthurs decision to ignore warnings not to invade north of the 38th parallel and instead proceed to the Yalu River that brought in the Chinese and led to a full out war.
Yes, we killed many more Chinese than they killed us, but we engaged in an unnecessary war that ended up where it started.....at the 38th parallel
The actual enemy was always N. Vietnam. Most of the VC were actually NVA out of uniform.Two problems with that concept...we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.
1. We had completely destroyed the North Vietnam's guerilla units called, Viet Cong. That left only the NVA army to finish off.
2. Technically we weren't losing the war on the ground in Vietnam. We made the mistake of allowing complete and unrestricted access to the media on the battlefield (something we didn't repeat in subsequent conflicts). This brought the horror of war into the living rooms of millions of American families, with the result being a massive public resistance to further conflict in the war. Those public pressures, forced the administration to give in to that massive pressure and leave Vietnam to its own fate.
Having said all that, the one thing that was despicable, was how we got into the war in the first place. It was based upon a lie. That said, once we were actually committed to the war, we should have done two things, not giving the media unrestricted access to filming and letting the military go full out and not allow the civilian administration to pick and choose the targets. It essentially put handcuffs on how the military could operate. Those same idiotic restrictions were done via the Obama administration.
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.
Only because our lame assed government got us involved in a war that we had no business being inOnly because our lame-ass government of the time allowed it to be so.Oh good god, you are really bringing up the Domino TheoryBoth Korea and Vietnam showed the Soviet Union and Chinese we weren't going to roll over for them turning every country in Asia and possibly elsewhere COMMUNIST. Those proxy wars ultimately helped us to win the Cold War and bankrupt the USSR. Yes, they could have been waged better but our politicians feared a direct war with the super powers if we did win more decisive POLITICAL victories. We kicked the enemies ass in both wars, especially Vietnam. The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong NEVER won a major engagement including Tet.
The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong NEVER won a major engagement including Tet yet they were the ones that are in control now.
We made the mistake of allowing complete and unrestricted access to the media on the battlefield (something we didn't repeat in subsequent conflicts). This brought the horror of war into the living rooms of millions of American families, with the result being a massive public resistance to further conflict in the war. Those public pressures, forced the administration to give in to that massive pressure and leave Vietnam to its own fate.
Oh good god, you are really bringing up the Domino TheoryBoth Korea and Vietnam showed the Soviet Union and Chinese we weren't going to roll over for them turning every country in Asia and possibly elsewhere COMMUNIST. Those proxy wars ultimately helped us to win the Cold War and bankrupt the USSR. Yes, they could have been waged better but our politicians feared a direct war with the super powers if we did win more decisive POLITICAL victories. We kicked the enemies ass in both wars, especially Vietnam. The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong NEVER won a major engagement including Tet.
The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong NEVER won a major engagement including Tet yet they were the ones that are in control now.
Giap himself admitted they were a spent force after the attack. But they won the PR war, which is the real reason why America lost.
Giap himself admitted they were a spent force after the attack. But they won the PR war, which is the real reason why America lost.
They wore us out, just like they did the French.
Americans got tired of hearing......Just give us 100,000 more men and we will be home by Christmas......year after tear after year.
what lie said by who?Two problems with that concept...we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.
1. We had completely destroyed the North Vietnam's guerilla units called, Viet Cong. That left only the NVA army to finish off.
2. Technically we weren't losing the war on the ground in Vietnam. We made the mistake of allowing complete and unrestricted access to the media on the battlefield (something we didn't repeat in subsequent conflicts). This brought the horror of war into the living rooms of millions of American families, with the result being a massive public resistance to further conflict in the war. Those public pressures, forced the administration to give in to that massive pressure and leave Vietnam to its own fate.
Having said all that, the one thing that was despicable, was how we got into the war in the first place. It was based upon a lie. That said, once we were actually committed to the war, we should have done two things, not giving the media unrestricted access to filming and letting the military go full out and not allow the civilian administration to pick and choose the targets. It essentially put handcuffs on how the military could operate. Those same idiotic restrictions were done via the Obama administration.
there is truth in what you say but we screwed the french over. We either never should of supported the french or once committed we should of given 100%.Giap himself admitted they were a spent force after the attack. But they won the PR war, which is the real reason why America lost.
They wore us out, just like they did the French.
Americans got tired of hearing......Just give us 100,000 more men and we will be home by Christmas......year after year after year.
No war in history was ever won by marijuana-addicted pro-gun-control pro-birth-control Democrat stoner conscripts.Vietnam War was unwinnable
.first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER
..I know all about that..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.
Actually the TET Offensive in 1968 nearly destroyed the North Vietnamese army, their top commander Giap himself admitted they were a spent force after the attack. But they won the PR war, which is the real reason why America lost.
..it would not have mattered if the military had no restrictions - unwinnableTwo problems with that concept...we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.
1. We had completely destroyed the North Vietnam's guerilla units called, Viet Cong. That left only the NVA army to finish off.
2. Technically we weren't losing the war on the ground in Vietnam. We made the mistake of allowing complete and unrestricted access to the media on the battlefield (something we didn't repeat in subsequent conflicts). This brought the horror of war into the living rooms of millions of American families, with the result being a massive public resistance to further conflict in the war. Those public pressures, forced the administration to give in to that massive pressure and leave Vietnam to its own fate.
Having said all that, the one thing that was despicable, was how we got into the war in the first place. It was based upon a lie. That said, once we were actually committed to the war, we should have done two things, not giving the media unrestricted access to filming and letting the military go full out and not allow the civilian administration to pick and choose the targets. It essentially put handcuffs on how the military could operate. Those same idiotic restrictions were done via the Obama administration.
..you are dreaming if the US could've beat China--too big--too many people..see the map above--China kicked OUR a$$esFor a while till MacArther out flanked the assholes and was kicking their asses right back across the border until a democommie asshole of a president pulled him up short and fired him.Damn boy, are you ever ignorant of history.f the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
That is what Gen MacArthur said.
In a matter of about a month, his forces swept north of the 39 th parallel and chased the N Koreans all the way to the Yalu River.
That is when the Chinese forces came in and swarmed our unsuspecting forces and drove us back south of the 39th parallel. Ended up killing 50,000 American forces.
We wanted to avoid the same mistake in Vietnam
Which is only because they retreated. If you follow up on what happened after this, every time the UN forces stood their ground, and fought, they slaughtered the Chinese.
Especially the Chinese of army of the 1950s, was in fact a peasant army. They were not hardly trained at all.
The Chinese forces overwhelmed us. We ran for our lives
If we had let Patton have his way the USSR wouldn't have existed for long and if we'd let Mcarthur have his way Red China would have been a long forgotten footnote by now too. Both were stopped by a democommie asshole excuse for a president, Truman who was afraid of his own shadow.
Dumbass they sneak attacked then Mcarthur landed at Inchon and put the run on the little bastards right back across the border where they came from and if Mcarthur had had his way he'd have run the little bastards all the way to Pieking as it was called then. You're obviously a real dumbass when it comes to history. I suppose in your idiotic feeble mind the South won the civil war because they won most of the battles at the beginning. BTW we never lost a single battle in Vietnam so we must have won that one too, you hopeless dumbass.
..we couldn't even beat the Chinese in Korea--how do you think the US could go all over China!!!!!!????..see the map above--China kicked OUR a$$esFor a while till MacArther out flanked the assholes and was kicking their asses right back across the border until a democommie asshole of a president pulled him up short and fired him.Damn boy, are you ever ignorant of history.f the government had sent in the military in a completely unrestricted, full scale war on North Korea, we could have easily flattened and defeated North Korea in a matter of... maybe a month.
That is what Gen MacArthur said.
In a matter of about a month, his forces swept north of the 39 th parallel and chased the N Koreans all the way to the Yalu River.
That is when the Chinese forces came in and swarmed our unsuspecting forces and drove us back south of the 39th parallel. Ended up killing 50,000 American forces.
We wanted to avoid the same mistake in Vietnam
Which is only because they retreated. If you follow up on what happened after this, every time the UN forces stood their ground, and fought, they slaughtered the Chinese.
Especially the Chinese of army of the 1950s, was in fact a peasant army. They were not hardly trained at all.
The Chinese forces overwhelmed us. We ran for our lives
If we had let Patton have his way the USSR wouldn't have existed for long and if we'd let Mcarthur have his way Red China would have been a long forgotten footnote by now too. Both were stopped by a democommie asshole excuse for a president, Truman who was afraid of his own shadow.
Dumbass they sneak attacked then Mcarthur landed at Inchon and put the run on the little bastards right back across the border where they came from and if Mcarthur had had his way he'd have run the little bastards all the way to Pieking as it was called then. You're obviously a real dumbass when it comes to history. I suppose in your idiotic feeble mind the South won the civil war because they won most of the battles at the beginning. BTW we never lost a single battle in Vietnam so we must have won that one too, you hopeless dumbass.
You can not argue with the quote. The quote states the opposite of your opinion.after they kicked our assesChina, very much got stopped by the USA in Korea.
The Chinese exaggerated their own military capabilities and underestimated the firepower and general effectiveness of American forces. But the Chinese army was unable to assimilate modern weaponry and tactics and, facing immense logistical difficulties, could not use its superior numbers to overwhelm United Nations forces.
'''''''''. It was by far the worst military debacle the U.S. armed forces suffered in the entire twentieth century''''''You can not argue with the quote. The quote states the opposite of your opinion.after they kicked our assesChina, very much got stopped by the USA in Korea.
The Chinese exaggerated their own military capabilities and underestimated the firepower and general effectiveness of American forces. But the Chinese army was unable to assimilate modern weaponry and tactics and, facing immense logistical difficulties, could not use its superior numbers to overwhelm United Nations forces.
www.brookings.edu
So now you're an expert in international relations? Some folks feel the Cold War was worth winning.Only because our lame assed government got us involved in a war that we had no business being inOnly because our lame-ass government of the time allowed it to be so.Oh good god, you are really bringing up the Domino TheoryBoth Korea and Vietnam showed the Soviet Union and Chinese we weren't going to roll over for them turning every country in Asia and possibly elsewhere COMMUNIST. Those proxy wars ultimately helped us to win the Cold War and bankrupt the USSR. Yes, they could have been waged better but our politicians feared a direct war with the super powers if we did win more decisive POLITICAL victories. We kicked the enemies ass in both wars, especially Vietnam. The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong NEVER won a major engagement including Tet.
The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong NEVER won a major engagement including Tet yet they were the ones that are in control now.
you fked up there--again........So now you're an expert in international relations? Some folks feel the Cold War was worth winning.Only because our lame assed government got us involved in a war that we had no business being inOnly because our lame-ass government of the time allowed it to be so.Oh good god, you are really bringing up the Domino TheoryBoth Korea and Vietnam showed the Soviet Union and Chinese we weren't going to roll over for them turning every country in Asia and possibly elsewhere COMMUNIST. Those proxy wars ultimately helped us to win the Cold War and bankrupt the USSR. Yes, they could have been waged better but our politicians feared a direct war with the super powers if we did win more decisive POLITICAL victories. We kicked the enemies ass in both wars, especially Vietnam. The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong NEVER won a major engagement including Tet.
The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong NEVER won a major engagement including Tet yet they were the ones that are in control now.
You are an idiot, do you not read what you post to. Now that you have made the above statement, you have contradicted the link I have been quoting that you have provided. Everything I have quoted comes from harmonica's link! How about the following quote from your link that is the opposite of what you are stating right now!..we couldn't even beat the Chinese in Korea--how do you think the US could go all over China!!!!!!????
hahahahahahahah
The Chinese 5th offensive commenced at 6:00 A.M. on May 10, 1951. The Chinese made limited gains until May 20, when they began to run critically short of ammunition. As casualties mounted and CPVF gains diminished, Peng called a halt to the offensive and ordered a general withdrawal. The Chinese retreat became a disaster when the UNC launched a counter-attack on May 23. Peng established a defensive line by May 27, but the effort cost the CPVF 85,000 casualties. The Chinese 3rd Army Group alone suffered 13,000 casualties.226 At this point, both the Peopleís Republic of China and the Democratic Peopleís Republic of Korea had no choice but to acknowledge the war had become a stalemate and to enter into negotiations for a cease-fire.2
